Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

[Bacle]

I can’t find the exact quote quickly because everything was moved but do you deny that you said you would support Israel gridblock deleting Gaza block by block with everyone in it?

I said I'd be fine with turning Gaza into a parking lot instead of invading, yes.

I wouldn't be willing to risk more IDF/Jewish lives to play 'nice' with Hamas and friends by going in on the ground to get hostages who are likely mostly already dead, if they have not already been freed. I understand how brutal and grinding urban warfare can be, particulalry when you add tunnel warfare into the mix, and would not want to send people I was responsible for into Gaza for the invasion when I understand the madness of Hamas and the likely actions they've prepared to undertake against Israel troops who go in on the ground.

That is not the same as saying to put all 'Palestinians' from both Gaza and the West Bank in camps to kill them.

 

[King Arts]

I said I'd be fine with turning Gaza into a parking lot instead of invading, yes.

I wouldn't be willing to risk more IDF/Jewish lives to play 'nice' with Hamas and friends by going in on the ground to get hostages who are likely mostly already dead, if they have not already been freed. I understand how brutal and grinding urban warfare can be, particulalry when you add tunnel warfare into the mix, and would not want to send people I was responsible for into Gaza for the invasion when I understand the madness of Hamas and the likely actions they've prepared to undertake against Israel troops who go in on the ground.

That is not the same as saying to put all 'Palestinians' from both Gaza and the West Bank in camps to kill them.

I said nothing about the West Bank. You are ok with killing every man woman and child in the West Bank. The method between camps shooting gassing bombing is just academic and a practical issue not moral. You said you support bombing everything to hell. No matter if the Gazans surrender or groups of them rise up and lynch Hamas fighters or offer to turn in Hamas fighters for the bombing to stop. You would still support a bombing until everything is a graveyard right?

 

[Husky_Khan]

We can

Thanks, I don't need you to explain anything more. I know what 'We Can' means.

The reason I made this comment was because I originally posted this:

Also Sally Hemings was between the ages of 14 to 16 during this intimate relationship which resulted in her first pregnancy as well. So if Jefferson wants people castrated for sodomy, I hope he has an even more stern punishment for pedophilia.

And it occurred in Paris before they returned to Monticello. So that's international child sex trafficking or something.

"God's Children Are Not For Sale" IMHO.

I ended with a bemusing quote that came directly from the popular Christian film The Sound of Freedom which was extensively discussed on this board and whose main topic was quite literally CHILD SEX SLAVERY.

And then you responded...

*sigh* Husky are you going to just parrot brain dead liberal takes about "Muh evil founding fathers." Look up the age of consent laws in 1777, even if Jefferson did sleep with Sally at age 14 that is not pedophillia and was not illegal.

Also ironically that brain dead quote about God's children not being for sale? Umm sweetie have you read the Bible? It allows slavery. Now true American chattel slavery was different from Hebrew slavery in the old testament, but your objection is towards slavery itself not towards "cruel slavery" I mean if the slaves were not mistreated you would still be for going to war to free them right?

Though having sex with your slaves in Christianity is strictly forbidden(this is not Islam lol) If you want to have sex with your slave you would have to marry her. So if I'm not saying Jefferson did it, but if he was with Sally then he did do something evil.

So when I said this:

Losing the pro-child sex slavery Christian demo is a tragic loss.

I figured, oh quotes from Christian anti-Child Sex Trafficking movies are "parroting brain dead liberal takes" and then you get into a vigorous defense of the age of consent laws of 1777 and that even banging a 14 year old isn't illegal. Then you defended slavery as a Biblical allowance right after defending pedophilia as a symptom of the times.

So needless to say, I feel you gave off the wrong impression. I quote a Christian movie about child sex trafficking which you deride as brain dead and parroting liberal arguments and you get into a nice meaty and vigorous defense of pedophilia as being legal at the time, and that (child) slavery is allowed in the Bible as long as it's not "cruel" and so forth so I feel your post was poorly represented.

But then you replied with this...

Go fuck yourself I merely defended Thomas Jefferson, I did not say that such actions are supposed to be supported or be done.

I figured that's reasonable. I'm more then willing to let it lie though keeping in mind I didn't post anything out of context. I literally hyperlinked the post after all where you made that claim.

Then Mrtattoo, I can't spell his name, rightfully corrected me in mischaracterizing your post. I said I was losing the pro-child sex slavery Christian demo.

He points out that having sex with your slaves in Christianity is forbidden in the very post I hyperlinked. So I would like to take a moment to apologize.

With that said, I wasn't wrong to make that impression. Just because I labeled the demo as pro-child sex slavery it doesn't imply that the Christian demo in question is engaging in sex with their child slaves, just that they're pro-child sex slavery. Actually engaging in sex with children isn't a requirement for approving of child sex slavery.

Also... while I have you here, I also think you might be a closet Queer. You called me Sweetie several times despite believing I was a God fearing Man at the time, which is pretty Gay. And since a topic of that thread was how Jefferson wanted to castrate Queers, well... insert some Bible quote about stone throwing here or something.

TLDR.

I feel I was only partially responsible for the misinterpretation of your stance in being a member of the "pro-child sex slavery Christian demo." but if I could go back in time and correct the record, I would've said, no I should've said "pro-child slavery AND pro-child sex Christian demo is a tragic loss." So that's all...

And that your Gay.

 

[Bacle]

I said nothing about the West Bank. You are ok with killing every man woman and child in the West Bank.

No I am not.

You are being a duplicitous little shit by claiming I first claimed something I did not, and when I corrected you, you then went and exaggerated and now straight up lied about what I said.

We can do that as long as you answer a few questions since you are defending Bacle. I'm assuming you also strongly support Israel no matter what.

Would you still support Israel if they decided to put all Palestinians in camps and kill them?

Here you implied I was talking about all Palestinians (in Gaza and the West Bank) in your example, an example you created based on an exaggeration of what I said and trying to get Husky to argue about something that hadn't happened.

It's rather typical of the way you try to manipulate arguments and pretend people say things when they do not, just so you can make the argument you want.

The method between camps shooting gassing bombing is just academic and a practical issue not moral. You said you support bombing everything to hell. No matter if the Gazans surrender or groups of them rise up and lynch Hamas fighters or offer to turn in Hamas fighters for the bombing to stop.

If the people of Gaza were in a state where Hamas and co would actually surrender without wearing suicide vest, or they were actually willing to kill Hamas themselves, the attacks of Oct 7th would never have happened.

The ones who honestly and legit want out from under the madness of Hamas and Islamic Jihad have the option of going to Egypt, or of trying to find a way out via the Jordanian hospital inside Gaza which the IDF is defending and allowing supply airdrops by the Jordanian air-force into.

You would still support a bombing until everything is a graveyard right?

I think that the IDF/Israeli casualties from the ground operations have every possibility of exceeding the numbers killed in the Oct 7th attacks, and that very few of the hostages who have not been returned already are likely to be gotten out alive by the Israeli troops, no matter how skilled or brave.

And I am still worried that Iran is going to do something stupid(er), while the Houthi's are already tossing IRBMs and drones at Israel after declaring war on Israel in response to them moving into Gaza.

I think that going Sherman's March on opponents is going to return to favor, when the lethality of the modern battlefield makes 'gentler' methods and tactics too costly to undertake, given many nations collapsing birth rates, and the Israel population isn't huge to begin with even if it has a better birth rate than most of the west.

 

[King Arts]

Thanks, I don't need you to explain anything more. I know what 'We Can' means.

The reason I made this comment was because I originally posted this:



I ended with a bemusing quote that came directly from the popular Christian film The Sound of Freedom which was extensively discussed on this board and whose main topic was quite literally CHILD SEX SLAVERY.

And then you responded...



So when I said this:



I figured, oh quotes from Christian anti-Child Sex Trafficking movies are "parroting brain dead liberal takes" and then you get into a vigorous defense of the age of consent laws of 1777 and that even banging a 14 year old isn't illegal. Then you defended slavery as a Biblical allowance right after defending pedophilia as a symptom of the times.

So needless to say, I feel you gave off the wrong impression. I quote a Christian movie about child sex trafficking which you deride as brain dead and parroting liberal arguments and you get into a nice meaty and vigorous defense of pedophilia as being legal at the time, and that (child) slavery is allowed in the Bible as long as it's not "cruel" and so forth so I feel your post was poorly represented.

But then you replied with this...


I figured that's reasonable. I'm more then willing to let it lie though keeping in mind I didn't post anything out of context. I literally hyperlinked the post after all where you made that claim.

Then Mrtattoo, I can't spell his name, rightfully corrected me in mischaracterizing your post. I said I was losing the pro-child sex slavery Christian demo.

He points out that having sex with your slaves in Christianity is forbidden in the very post I hyperlinked. So I would like to take a moment to apologize.

With that said, I wasn't wrong to make that impression. Just because I labeled the demo as pro-child sex slavery it doesn't imply that the Christian demo in question is engaging in sex with their child slaves, just that they're pro-child sex slavery. Actually engaging in sex with children isn't a requirement for approving of child sex slavery.

Also... while I have you here, I also think you might be a closet Queer. You called me Sweetie several times despite believing I was a God fearing Man at the time, which is pretty Gay. And since a topic of that thread was how Jefferson wanted to castrate Queers, well... insert some Bible quote about stone throwing here or something.

TLDR.

I feel I was only partially responsible for the misinterpretation of your stance in being a member of the "pro-child sex slavery Christian demo." but if I could go back in time and correct the record, I would've said, no I should've said "pro-child slavery AND pro-child sex Christian demo is a tragic loss." So that's all...

And that your Gay.

Wow that’s a lot. So that’s what you are talking about.

Anyway in that I was defending Jefferson from you trying to smear him as an abuser or a rapist or a pervert. You brought up a tagline from a movie about human trafficking an activity that is doubly a sin. It’s wrong to take a free person and enslave them(outside of debt for a set time or criminal punishment) and it’s also against the law.

Thomas Jefferson never enslaved free blacks. He owned slaves that he inherited and he might have bought some but that is not specifically prohibited biblically as long as it’s not illegal.

The reason I accused you of parroting liberal takes is because you are equating ancient forced slavery to modern day human trafficking.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Gee, it's almost like:

1. Israel doesn't want to have a nest of vipers under its doorstep anymore.

2. The leftist governments have actively solicited and encouraged migrants from MENA for a decade or more now, and fought tooth and nail to keep even the worst of actors from being sent away.

There's no conspiracy to this. It's literally just the obvious consequences of people's actions.

So when do we get to send all of our problems to 'our greatest ally'? Why are we treated like a garbage dump?

 

[King Arts]

No I am not.

You are being a duplicitous little shit by claiming I first claimed something I did not, and when I corrected you, you then went and exaggerated and now straight up lied about what I said.

I apologize I meant to say Gaza the second time I’m a little sleepy. Anyway I did not mean to say you support bombing West Bank I know you said you don’t support that. I meant to ask do you support bombing GAZA.

Here you implied I was talking about all Palestinians (in Gaza and the West Bank) in your example, an example you created based on an exaggeration of what I said and trying to get Husky to argue about something that hadn't happened.

It's rather typical of the way you try to manipulate arguments and pretend people say things when they do not, just so you can make the argument you want.

We can limit it to Gaza if you want that’s 2 million is it ok for Israel to kill all of them with bombs no matter what? I don’t want to hear a description of how urban warfare sucks or houthis or Iran. Will you support Israel wiping out Gaza even if they surrender and turn over all Hamas members?

If the people of Gaza were in a state where Hamas and co would actually surrender without wearing suicide vest, or they were actually willing to kill Hamas themselves, the attacks of Oct 7th would never have happened.

That doesn’t matter the war is not going the way you think it will or I think it will this is a morality debate about where support for Israel starts and ends so refer to above question.

Will you support Israel wiping out Gaza even if they surrender and turn over all Hamas members?

The ones who honestly and legit want out from under the madness of Hamas and Islamic Jihad have the option of going to Egypt, or of trying to find a way out via the Jordanian hospital inside Gaza which the IDF is defending and allowing supply airdrops by the Jordanian air-force into.

This is ignorant nonsense tell me do you want to accept Palestinian refugees in your country? What makes you think Egypt Jordan or Israel will let them in?

 

[Husky_Khan]

So when do we get to send all of our problems to 'our greatest ally'? Why are we treated like a garbage dump?

You are treating yourself as the garbage dump actually. Israel had barely anything to do with the Syrian Civil War or Arab Spring or Libya or Iraq or 9-11 or whatever.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

You are treating yourself as the garbage dump actually. Israel had barely anything to do with the Syrian Civil War or Arab Spring or Libya or Iraq or 9-11 or whatever.

Well...That's a story for another discussion...

 

[Husky_Khan]

Well...That's a story for another discussion...

If that's a story for another discussion then why did you embolden certain things when you quoted me?

 

[DarthOne]

If that's a story for another discussion then why did you embolden certain things in my quote?

Because he's being specific about the things he disagrees with your assessment on. Obviously.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

If that's a story for another discussion then why did you embolden certain things when you quoted me?

Because discussing it here would be absolutely pointless, and so I don't want to waste my time, or anybody else's time.

Also because it's funny.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Because he's being specific about the things he disagrees with you assessment on. Obviously.

No shit Sherlock.

I'm calling him a cowardly bitch in a roundabout way. Obviously.

 

[DarthOne]

No shit Sherlock.

I'm calling him a cowardly bitch in a roundabout way. Obviously.

If your being roundabout about it, that makes you the coward in this situation.

 

[Husky_Khan]

If your being roundabout about it, that makes you the coward in this situation.

I'm literally calling him out.

 

[DarthOne]

I'm literally calling him out.

Except you aren’t. Your doing little girl passive bullshit.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Except you aren’t. Your doing little girl passive bullshit.

I'm not going to run afoul of the rules. Calling people cowardly bitches sounds like a civility violation.

And if she doesn't want to talk about it, that's fine. But I'm going to point out the obvious, obviously.

I don't see how anything I said was "passive."

If I was passive I'd just post Paul Joseph Watson videos all day instead of my own opinion or something.

 

[DarthOne]

I'm not going to run afoul of the rules. Calling people cowardly bitches sounds like a civility violation.

And if she doesn't want to talk about it, that's fine. But I'm going to point out the obvious, obviously.

I don't see how anything I said was "passive."

If I was passive I'd just post Paul Joseph Watson videos all day instead of my own opinion or something.

And now your doing it at me. Oh wonderful.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Except you aren’t.

Asking a person why he doesn't want to talk about a thing he responded to is quite literally calling someone out for it. It's really not that hard to understand.

Because discussing it here would be absolutely pointless, and so I don't want to waste my time, or anybody else's time.

Also because it's funny.

Eh fair enough. I wouldn't want to talk with me either.

 

[DarthOne]

Asking a person why he doesn't want to talk about a thing he responded to is quite literally calling someone out for it. It's really not that hard to understand.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.