Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

[Rocinante]

Yup, I followed and watched bit, but it's just gotten to be average Leftist crap now.

Yeah I really started losing respect during covid. At first he was quick to cover the ivermectin thing.

Quickly he was shut down by Krystal and started making the claim that there was NO evidence that it worked. Meanwhile there were 30+ studied floating around, and the ONE used to debunk them was a bad study.

He just went with it.

It's not the only time I've watched him cave.

You know what it is? This show is his income, and it's probably the only way to work with Krystal. Still a pussy, but at least that explains why.

 

[Marduk]

I mean it’s not like many “conservatives” and neocons aren’t also internationalists.

Some are, but the main gripe of leftists and shitlibs with them is that... they aren't nearly internationalist enough. We may complain that they are too much, more or less, but that's a straight out opportunity for tactical alliances. The fact is that the left has spent a lot of effort fighting neocons and that plus their own blunders made them fade away, why the hell would we spend an ounce of influence, nevermind help leftists get more power, to kick the proverbial dead horse harder?

I mean a true nationalist only really cares about their nation and most of the people simping for Israel are not Israeli.

We know you and the rest of proud isolationists cannot into world politics, but being incompetent in that is not a condition to being a nationalist, it's a shame for a nationalist to be incompetent in this way. There were plenty of arguments about what are the benefits of US-Israeli alliance for the former, and there are quite a few arguments other than platitudes, and on the other side there are delusional dreams of Arabs suddenly liking the "Great Satan" if only it threw the other one under the bus. Consider the attitude the same Muslims who hate USA have towards some not exactly allied to Israel European countries that have "multiculturalism problems" with their coreligionists.

There are sadly few people in this conflict who actually stay neutral and don’t support one side over another.

Why would they? You're not Swiss, i'm not Swiss, what's up with this cult of neutrality, i see zero inherent value in that concept, and the more significant country we are talking about, the higher the opportunity cost of maintaining neutrality is for that country, so for USA it would be massive... Why be neutral when we can pick the side picking which benefits us the most.

 

[Zachowon]

Some are, but the main gripe of leftists and shitlibs with them is that... they aren't nearly internationalist enough. We may complain that they are too much, more or less, but that's a straight out opportunity for tactical alliances. The fact is that the left has spent a lot of effort fighting neocons and that plus their own blunders made them fade away, why the hell would we spend an ounce of influence, nevermind help leftists get more power, to kick the proverbial dead horse harder?

We know you and the rest of proud isolationists cannot into world politics, but being incompetent in that is not a condition to being a nationalist, it's a shame for a nationalist to be incompetent in this way.

Why would they? You're not Swiss, i'm not Swiss, what's up with this cult of neutrality, i see zero inherent value in that concept, and the more significant country we are talking about, the higher the opportunity cost of maintaining neutrality is for that country, so for USA it would be massive... Why be neutral when we can pick the side picking which benefits us the most.

Something something causing more damage then helping, something something money should be used domestically, something something.

They don't realize what our support of Ukraine means for the US.
If we pull support you just made proof that nuclear deterrent is the only way to make sure no one invades. Which means....all of the nations in our two hemispheres are free for the taking by our adversaries.

 

[King Arts]

I'm not a neocon, I just know war is what thrives the US government

You know Zach I think we agree on something. The current US government does thrive on war. The liberals thriving is not a good thing, I don't want rich politicians and Raytheon corpos to get more money and power, so I want to limit war and war fighting.

Some are, but the main gripe of leftists and shitlibs with them is that... they aren't nearly internationalist enough. We may complain that they are too much, more or less, but that's a straight out opportunity for tactical alliances. The fact is that the left has spent a lot of effort fighting neocons and that plus their own blunders made them fade away, why the hell would we spend an ounce of influence, nevermind help leftists get more power, to kick the proverbial dead horse harder?

No, it's not that they "aren't internationalist enough" they are about equally internationalist they just support different sides. Also supporting Israel over Palestine does not make leftists weaker. There are plenty of leftists who support Israel, I can point to a few on this site.

We know you and the rest of proud isolationists cannot into world politics, but being incompetent in that is not a condition to being a nationalist, it's a shame for a nationalist to be incompetent in this way. There were plenty of arguments about what are the benefits of US-Israeli alliance for the former, and there are quite a few arguments other than platitudes, and on the other side there are delusional dreams of Arabs suddenly liking the "Great Satan" if only it threw the other one under the bus. Consider the attitude the same Muslims who hate USA have towards some not exactly allied to Israel European countries that have "multiculturalism problems" with their coreligionists.

There are many negatives to the US-Israel alliance. Also the problems with Muslims is that you brought them into your country. Think of them like bees or wasps if you don't go into their area, or bring them into your home you won't get stung. Sadly we have many very dumb people who want to do both of those things.

Why would they? You're not Swiss, i'm not Swiss, what's up with this cult of neutrality, i see zero inherent value in that concept, and the more significant country we are talking about, the higher the opportunity cost of maintaining neutrality is for that country, so for USA it would be massive... Why be neutral when we can pick the side picking which benefits us the most.

Because we literally don't stand to bennefit no matter who wins. My life will not change if the Israeli's go with Skallgrims dumb ideas and wipe out the Palestinians, my life will also not change if the Palestinians drive Israelis into the sea and Israel ends as a country.

Neither option will affect me unless evangelical neocons decide we need a draft to help our "allies".

 

[Bacle]

Something something causing more damage then helping, something something money should be used domestically, something something.

They don't realize what our support of Ukraine means for the US.
If we pull support you just made proof that nuclear deterrent is the only way to make sure no one invades. Which means....all of the nations in our two hemispheres are free for the taking by our adversaries.

Nuke non-proliferation died with Ghaddafi; what is happening in Ukraine just shows why you also do not give up heavy bomber fleets or cruise missile stocks.

Even if the powers in DC unfuck themselves and go full bore into supporting Ukraine, and Ukraine gets back all it's land and forces Russia out for good, the NPT is dead and buried.

What Obama did with the Iran deal also completely undermined the NPT in how it was effectively a farce to try to make 'nice' with Iran while not actually stopping their nuclear program to any real degree.

All nations, US allies or not, are likely going to be looking for an independent nuclear deterrent in the coming decades, because the world is learning it cannot depend on the US domestic scene being favorable to international partners even during wartime, and that nukes are really the only thing that will keep small nations from getting gobbled up by imperial neighbors.

 

[King Arts]

Something something causing more damage then helping, something something money should be used domestically, something something.

They don't realize what our support of Ukraine means for the US.
If we pull support you just made proof that nuclear deterrent is the only way to make sure no one invades. Which means....all of the nations in our two hemispheres are free for the taking by our adversaries.

Yeah Bacle is correct in this. Nukes at the end of the day are the only surefire way to prevent your nation won't get invaded. Not even super powers like America and close competitors like Russia and China would dare risk an invasion of a nuclear power that can hurt them.

 

[Marduk]

No, it's not that they "aren't internationalist enough" they are about equally internationalist they just support different sides.

What different sides is there even for them to support? They want to keep roughly the same alliances, just one want to control them according to woke principles while the other, to boomercon ones.

Also supporting Israel over Palestine does not make leftists weaker. There are plenty of leftists who support Israel, I can point to a few on this site.

If they are on this site they are a fringe decried as nazis by the mainstream leftists.

There are many negatives to the US-Israel alliance.

Again, every time i ask about those, i get a bunch of made up or minor ones.

Also the problems with Muslims is that you brought them into your country. Think of them like bees or wasps if you don't go into their area, or bring them into your home you won't get stung. Sadly we have many very dumb people who want to do both of those things.

>brought
No, i think they came by themselves, just because they could and obviously it was in their self-interest. Who complained the loudest when ideas of not letting them in were thrown around?
Don't think it was neocons.

Because we literally don't stand to bennefit no matter who wins. My life will not change if the Israeli's go with Skallgrims dumb ideas and wipe out the Palestinians, my life will also not change if the Palestinians drive Israelis into the sea and Israel ends as a country.

The same applies to 80% of foreign policy unless you are willing to consider third or fourth order effect, but it would be more honest to say "i'm not interested in foreign policy" instead of making such broad claims.
For one a lot of nifty tech 90% of people who use it don't even know about being from Israel would not exist if Israel was destroyed.

Neither option will affect me unless evangelical neocons decide we need a draft to help our "allies".

That's incredibly ridiculous and pointless.

 

[strunkenwhite]

What I don't get is: why have the Israelis been -- essentially -- pussying around the matter, while still suffering the supposed fall-out of the "hard-line" approach, namely considerable push-back from the international community?

You don't seem to be considering that the current level of pushback isn't the maximum level. For example, the new proposed sale of F-35s has yet to be canceled, whereas if Israel openly admitted to following a mass starvation strategy they'd be dust in the wind and the conversation would be about whether Israel really deserves help paying for the Iron Dome stuff it buys from us. For starters

I'd expect the actual outcome of any of those strategies to be closer to the creation of a Levantine North Korea than anything you expect.

It's time to stop humoring the false 'nationality' of 'Palestine', and treat them as the Egyptian, Jordanian, or Arab nation Israeli nationals the 'Palestinians' actually are.

Fixed that for you.
Really, Jews went and conquered Mandatory Palestine and renamed it Israel: good for them. They kicked a bunch of Palestinians out: vae victis. Why are the exiles suddenly Egyptian now? Is everyone who crosses our border in the US an American? Even more than that, you're saying that by association with the exiles, the ones who weren't kicked out (yet) are also Egyptian?

 

[Marduk]

Fixed that for you.
Really, Jews went and conquered Mandatory Palestine and renamed it Israel: good for them. They kicked a bunch of Palestinians out: vae victis. Why are the exiles suddenly Egyptian now? Is everyone who crosses our border in the US an American? Even more than that, you're saying that by association with the exiles, the ones who weren't kicked out (yet) are also Egyptian?

They were Arabs, plain and simple, like Egyptians, for hundreds of years in Ottoman Empire.
Then it lost the western parts up to Egypt to western powers, then the other parts like Palestine, Syria, Lebanon. That's when the (in)famoust western power map drawing contests happened. Before then the difference between a Palestinian, Syrian and Jordanian was provincial at most, they had similar culture, same language, same law, shared rulers and so on, to large degree they still do and the divisions are formal and political, not unlike with East vs West Germany, though those had bigger differences in politics.
Also back in 1920's when Egypt and Palestine were under British control a lot of Arabs from Egypt could easily move to Palestine to take part in economic boom helped by the British and also Jewish migration there.
Not that there wasn't internal migration when it was Ottoman either.

The Smoking Gun: Arab Immigration into Palestine, 1922-1931

In deep antiquity, particularly in Egypt, the early civilization where the arts were most strongly developed, the visualization was aspective: that is the artist, working in paint or low-relief sculpture, conveyed to his two-dimensional surface not so

www.meforum.org

 

[DarthOne]

I'm not a neocon, I just know war is what thrives the US government

And the fact that you think that is a good thing, or at least seem to, is the problem.

 

[Bacle]

Fixed that for you.
Really, Jews went and conquered Mandatory Palestine and renamed it Israel: good for them. They kicked a bunch of Palestinians out: vae victis. Why are the exiles suddenly Egyptian now? Is everyone who crosses our border in the US an American? Even more than that, you're saying that by association with the exiles, the ones who weren't kicked out (yet) are also Egyptian?

There is no "Palestine", just catspaws that the Arab nations pushed into those areas as catspaws against Israel.

So yes, the 'exiles' would just be sent back to Egypt, Jordan, or whatever Arab nation sent them there in the first place, and their kids are foreign nationals of those nations too.

And to hell with any complaint from those other nations, they wanted to try this catspaw shit and they deserve the problems forcing them to take back their catspaws will bring.

 

[S'task]

There are many negatives to the US-Israel alliance. Also the problems with Muslims is that you brought them into your country. Think of them like bees or wasps if you don't go into their area, or bring them into your home you won't get stung. Sadly we have many very dumb people who want to do both of those things.

. . . In the US Muslims still make up a vanishingly small percent of the US population with 1% of the population professing that faith.

1%. The fact they have so much political leverage with the Democrats speaks to how messed up Democrats are politically and how cultish they are when it comes to worship of minorities. Yes there's a few cities and states they have managed to have high levels of influence in, but that's due to them concentrating their population in those regions, outside of those regions, they have no influence on America.

And if that's enough of a population to make you think we should afford them special consideration, 2% of the US Population is Jewish, so going by that metric we STILL should favor the Jews over the Muslims.

Because we literally don't stand to bennefit no matter who wins. My life will not change if the Israeli's go with Skallgrims dumb ideas and wipe out the Palestinians, my life will also not change if the Palestinians drive Israelis into the sea and Israel ends as a country.

You really underestimate some of the major contributions Israel has made to consumer technology... those would not have been made had the region been under Palestinian rule. I'm sure you'll argue that technology would have been made elsewhere, but the fact is without Israel your life would actually be less convenient.

 

[Zachowon]

You know Zach I think we agree on something. The current US government does thrive on war. The liberals thriving is not a good thing, I don't want rich politicians and Raytheon corpos to get more money and power, so I want to limit war and war fighting.

The country itself thrives on war. Our economy thrives when we are preparing for war.
Trump increased the military. He made sure we were preparing for war.
Because guess what, he at least was damn good with foreign policy and knows you can't just be isolationist.

Yeah Bacle is correct in this. Nukes at the end of the day are the only surefire way to prevent your nation won't get invaded. Not even super powers like America and close competitors like Russia and China would dare risk an invasion of a nuclear power that can hurt them.

callikg China and Russia close to america is laughable.
nukes are also horrible in the hands of countries like iran.
who will use them.

And the fact that you think that is a good thing, or at least seem to, is the problem.

Because America was founded by war and thrived during war? Our country was nit at war very few times.
It always landed us in more war.

our MICs are as powerful as they are because we give them so much money.
We would lose the advantage to our adversaries if we stopped.

. . . In the US Muslims still make up a vanishingly small percent of the US population with 1% of the population professing that faith.

1%. The fact they have so much political leverage with the Democrats speaks to how messed up Democrats are politically and how cultish they are when it comes to worship of minorities. Yes there's a few cities and states they have managed to have high levels of influence in, but that's due to them concentrating their population in those regions, outside of those regions, they have no influence on America.

And if that's enough of a population to make you think we should afford them special consideration, 2% of the US Population is Jewish, so going by that metric we STILL should favor the Jews over the Muslims.


You really underestimate some of the major contributions Israel has made to consumer technology... those would not have been made had the region been under Palestinian rule. I'm sure you'll argue that technology would have been made elsewhere, but the fact is without Israel your life would actually be less convenient.

Would love yo heat about these. Honestly.

 

[TheRejectionist]

So, are you guys volunteering to take the Palestinians into your own country instead?

I am volunteering for Israel not making me involved in the problem they created? I am volunteering from my country not helping Israel until we hold a referendum about who we should support or not, I am volunteering my country to actually minds his own business and not Tel Aviv's business or help it.

But the US won't allow it of course.

 

[King Arts]

Tucker interview with a Palestinian Lutheran priest.

 

[King Arts]

What different sides is there even for them to support? They want to keep roughly the same alliances, just one want to control them according to woke principles while the other, to boomercon ones.

What do you mean? In this scenario one group supports Palestine, the other supports Israel. There is no group that wants to be neutral like me.

If they are on this site they are a fringe decried as nazis by the mainstream leftists.

I don't care if democrats from 10 years ago are called Nazis by modern day democrats. They are still the same.

Again, every time i ask about those, i get a bunch of made up or minor ones.

Dislike of the Arab world, being opposed to most of the world that condemns Israel's actions. Stuff like that, having to use political capital on Israel's behalf that we could use for something else. Honestly the opportunity cost of supporting Israel unconditionally is pretty bad.

Oh also we have a fifth column who are more loyal to a foreign state that their loyalty to America.(Oh and no it's not Jewish Americans that are the fifth column, it's evangelicals. Honestly they need to be monitored as much as Islamists)

>brought
No, i think they came by themselves, just because they could and obviously it was in their self-interest. Who complained the loudest when ideas of not letting them in were thrown around?
Don't think it was neocons.

Are you and the rest of the Europeans brain dead weaklings? The Arabs came in and overpowered you? That's pathetic, no they came in because they were invited in by traitors.

The same applies to 80% of foreign policy unless you are willing to consider third or fourth order effect, but it would be more honest to say "i'm not interested in foreign policy" instead of making such broad claims.
For one a lot of nifty tech 90% of people who use it don't even know about being from Israel would not exist if Israel was destroyed.

Same for Taiwan, same for Japan, same for China. Guess we have to suck their dick.

That's incredibly ridiculous and pointless.

It's true, it's the biggest danger.

There is no "Palestine", just catspaws that the Arab nations pushed into those areas as catspaws against Israel.

So yes, the 'exiles' would just be sent back to Egypt, Jordan, or whatever Arab nation sent them there in the first place, and their kids are foreign nationals of those nations too.

And to hell with any complaint from those other nations, they wanted to try this catspaw shit and they deserve the problems forcing them to take back their catspaws will bring.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Many Palestinians and their ancestors never had Egyptian, Syrian, or Jordanian citizenship and did not live there but instead lived in Palestine/Israel.

You wanting to push them onto something else and just lying is disgusting.

. . . In the US Muslims still make up a vanishingly small percent of the US population with 1% of the population professing that faith.

1%. The fact they have so much political leverage with the Democrats speaks to how messed up Democrats are politically and how cultish they are when it comes to worship of minorities. Yes there's a few cities and states they have managed to have high levels of influence in, but that's due to them concentrating their population in those regions, outside of those regions, they have no influence on America.

And if that's enough of a population to make you think we should afford them special consideration, 2% of the US Population is Jewish, so going by that metric we STILL should favor the Jews over the Muslims.

How is this relavence? What is the importance of how many Jews or Muslims we have here?

You really underestimate some of the major contributions Israel has made to consumer technology... those would not have been made had the region been under Palestinian rule. I'm sure you'll argue that technology would have been made elsewhere, but the fact is without Israel your life would actually be less convenient.

You can make this about almost any modern semi first world state.

 

[Marduk]

What do you mean? In this scenario one group supports Palestine, the other supports Israel. There is no group that wants to be neutral like me.

What are you talking about? Did Biden send bombers against Israel when i wasn't looking?
No, he only wants to virtue signal to the handful of US Muslims that he needs for the election because they are concentrated in few states.

I don't care if democrats from 10 years ago are called Nazis by modern day democrats. They are still the same.

The point is that they aren't very leftist if they take that.

Dislike of the Arab world, being opposed to most of the world that condemns Israel's actions.

Muslims, leftists and commie shitholes.

Stuff like that, having to use political capital on Israel's behalf that we could use for something else. Honestly the opportunity cost of supporting Israel unconditionally is pretty bad.

Do we want to kowtow to Muslims. leftists and commie shitholes? No, we should we doing things that would make them scream in horror every day.

Oh also we have a fifth column who are more loyal to a foreign state that their loyalty to America.(Oh and no it's not Jewish Americans that are the fifth column, it's evangelicals. Honestly they need to be monitored as much as Islamists)

You should be monitored for more reasons.

Are you and the rest of the Europeans brain dead weaklings? The Arabs came in and overpowered you? That's pathetic, no they came in because they were invited in by traitors.

My point exactly, and it wasn't the neocons who invited them and then defended them again and again when it was being noticed that it was a bad idea.

Same for Taiwan, same for Japan, same for China. Guess we have to suck their dick.

Better than listening to isolationist idiocy about not understanding the value of having alliances with useful and capable countries, including major economic and military players on the world arena.

It's true, it's the biggest danger.

It is a product of a delusional mind, geopolitical equivalent of greens who believe the world will end if world communism is not achieved before 2050, if you believe it realistic, you are living in alternate reality where neocons have more power than progressives in 2024, where they have as much power as progressives can only dream of having.

Tucker interview with a Palestinian Lutheran priest.

More Russia ally shill interviewing someone who proverbially has a gun to his head, if he says something wrong the remaining 20% will get lower by his and his relative's heads.

Bethlehem's declining Christian population casts shadow over Christmas

The Christian population in Palestine is in steady decline, and in Gaza, the situation is even more precarious.

www.ncronline.org

Hippity hoppity guess why Bethlehem no longer has a Christian majority.

 

[King Arts]

What are you talking about? Did Biden send bombers against Israel when i wasn't looking?
No, he only wants to virtue signal to the handful of US Muslims that he needs for the election because they are concentrated in few states.

WTF are you talking about? Biden supports Israel, are you high? Again Israel has supporters who are both "conservative" and leftist. Palestine has leftists and very very few conservatives, and quite a few racists who hate Jews.

The neutrals are the ones that are conservative.

The point is that they aren't very leftist if they take that.

So if a hypothetical someone supports gay rights, gay marriage, forcing Christians to bake the cake, hell stripping Church's of their tax exempt status if they don't perform gay marriages. But they are against trannies. That person is not a leftist to you?

You obviously don't know what leftism is.

Muslims, leftists and commie shitholes.

Yeah you don't know what a leftist or a commie is most of the world is not that.

Do we want to kowtow to Muslims. leftists and commie shitholes? No, we should we doing things that would make them scream in horror every day.

Again people are laughing at you, you don't even know what a leftist is, you think a democrat from 10 years ago is not a leftist.

You should be monitored for more reasons.

Yes please tell me why I should be monitored because I don't suck the MIC dick on every foreign war?
Please if someone is religiously worshipping a foreign nation that is a security threat. In the past we looked closely at Catholics because we thought they could be influenced by the Pope.

Tell me if some group of people were saying China is a holy nation chosen by God, don't you think they might be a security threat?

My point exactly, and it wasn't the neocons who invited them and then defended them again and again when it was being noticed that it was a bad idea

Neo cons were in power and did not prevent the rapefugees. Hell they did bring in quite a few of them with their wars. We did not have this problem before the global war on terror.

Better than listening to isolationist idiocy about not understanding the value of having alliances with useful and capable countries, including major economic and military players on the world arena.

You are hella biased you just want America to stay so you can dickride us for protection from big bad Russia.

It is a product of a delusional mind, geopolitical equivalent of greens who believe the world will end if world communism is not achieved before 2050, if you believe it realistic, you are living in alternate reality where neocons have more power than progressives in 2024, where they have as much power as progressives can only dream of having.

Do you think it's impossible for there to be a draft?

 

[Marduk]

WTF are you talking about? Biden supports Israel, are you high? Again Israel has supporters who are both "conservative" and leftist. Palestine has leftists and very very few conservatives, and quite a few racists who hate Jews.

The neutrals are the ones that are conservative.

My point is that as far as the political heavy hitters go in US politics, there's only more and less pro-Israel side, hence, what other side.

So if a hypothetical someone supports gay rights, gay marriage, forcing Christians to bake the cake, hell stripping Church's of their tax exempt status if they don't perform gay marriages. But they are against trannies. That person is not a leftist to you?

To me, still is. But to many leftists, it's a heretic. And of course it's not your hypothetical we are talking about, we are talking about associationg with the great enemy, the dreadful "far right", that's a lot more than a little heresy.

You obviously don't know what leftism is.

Yeah you don't know what a leftist or a commie is most of the world is not that.

Again people are laughing at you, you don't even know what a leftist is, you think a democrat from 10 years ago is not a leftist.

Some weren't, and you are the one specializing in not knowing things around here.

Yes please tell me why I should be monitored because I don't suck the MIC dick on every foreign war?

Because you have radical yet utterly nonsensical ideas about policy domestic and foreign, which is worse than what you want to monitor people over.

Please if someone is religiously worshipping a foreign nation that is a security threat. In the past we looked closely at Catholics because we thought they could be influenced by the Pope.

Now we have dumb celebrities from many places in numbers far greater than popes ever were.

Tell me if some group of people were saying China is a holy nation chosen by God, don't you think they might be a security threat?

If they are people of influence, sure, but less than people who quietly take money from it.
Usually that fringe is not very influential though.

Neo cons were in power and did not prevent the rapefugees.

Most politicians in most countries didn't. But they didn't actively support them either, unlike some.

Hell they did bring in quite a few of them with their wars. We did not have this problem before the global war on terror.

Yes you did, again you are actively refusing to know inconvenient facts that would stop you from signing up to leftist kneejerks about muh neocons and muh wars, indistinguishable from Code Pink grade leftist bullshit. Fucking Castro kinda did a test run of classic "demographic warfare" with emptying prisons and asylums but lacked the right scale to get major effects.

You are hella biased you just want America to stay so you can dickride us for protection from big bad Russia.

You want to ignore facts that make foreign policy too complicated for some fringe ideological "big brain" club meant for people who struggle to understand the insane web of world influences, military calculus and economics so they can feel better about themselves if they proudly declare that it's unimportant and the best option is to not play, covering that with larping as turboswiss.
That's besides deluding yourself that any meaningful number of your compatriots want to join in your delusional fantasy of turning USA into some weirdo theocracy with confessionalist politics.

Do you think it's impossible for there to be a draft?

Not about the scenario you presented. Maybe if China really gets lucky with its ambitions and gets a good foothold in Canada or Central America, or something similarly bad.
Otherwise, in such a huge war, what's the fucking point, even war economy is more likely - can't wage war by ocean with more conscripts than you have ships to move and supply them with, and building warships is slow, while the existing ones are already insufficient to send out most of the existing non-conscript army at the same time against an opponent so strong as to necessitate that.

 

[Zachowon]

I am volunteering for Israel not making me involved in the problem they created? I am volunteering from my country not helping Israel until we hold a referendum about who we should support or not, I am volunteering my country to actually minds his own business and not Tel Aviv's business or help it.

But the US won't allow it of course.

I mean, there is only one side to support. The one that actively seeks genocide om a whole people and the entirety of two religions, and the entire west. Or the ones who have been trying to appease the west by not killing the enemy fully.

My point is that as far as the political heavy hitters go in US politics, there's only more and less pro-Israel side, hence, what other side.

To me, still is. But to many leftists, it's a heretic. And of course it's not your hypothetical we are talking about, we are talking about associationg with the great enemy, the dreadful "far right", that's a lot more than a little heresy.

Some weren't, and you are the one specializing in not knowing things around here.

Because you have radical yet utterly nonsensical ideas about policy domestic and foreign, which is worse than what you want to monitor people over.

Now we have dumb celebrities from many places in numbers far greater than popes ever were.

If they are people of influence, sure, but less than people who quietly take money from it.
Usually that fringe is not very influential though.

Most politicians in most countries didn't. But they didn't actively support them either, unlike some.

Yes you did, again you are actively refusing to know inconvenient facts that would stop you from signing up to leftist kneejerks about muh neocons and muh wars, indistinguishable from Code Pink grade leftist bullshit. Fucking Castro kinda did a test run of classic "demographic warfare" with emptying prisons and asylums but lacked the right scale to get major effects.

You want to ignore facts that make foreign policy too complicated for some fringe ideological "big brain" club meant for people who struggle to understand the insane web of world influences, military calculus and economics so they can feel better about themselves if they proudly declare that it's unimportant and the best option is to not play, covering that with larping as turboswiss.
That's besides deluding yourself that any meaningful number of your compatriots want to join in your delusional fantasy of turning USA into some weirdo theocracy with confessionalist politics.

Not about the scenario you presented. Maybe if China really gets lucky with its ambitions and gets a good foothold in Canada or Central America, or something similarly bad.
Otherwise, in such a huge war, what's the fucking point, even war economy is more likely - can't wage war by ocean with more conscripts than you have ships to move and supply them with, and building warships is slow, while the existing ones are already insufficient to send out most of the existing non-conscript army at the same time against an opponent so strong as to necessitate that.

We can deploy troops anywhere in the world in short time. Aircraft make life easy.