Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

[Agent23]

Can we please just deport all of the Arabs and other Magrebis/Middle Easterners to Israel and reimport all of the Jews back here?

We can just guilt trip the Krauts to give them part of Germany or something.

That would be a win-win for everyone except the Middle East, but their problems - they fix them.

 

[King Arts]

Don't get all leftist on us. The Palestinians have made it clear that they refuse to take any option that doesn't end in Israel slaughtered.

So let them suffer what they want to deal out.

I’m not going leftist I’m mostly responding to Bacle who WOULD take the complete opposite position if I don’t know Russia pushed Ukrainians off land that is considered theirs. He would call that genocide.

Destroying Hamas is going to require taking full control of Gaza, and the Gaza Strip is going to end up absorbed into Israel.

Israel and the world have tried to reason with Hamas and their voters/human shields/fodder in the Gaza Strip, and it has always failed. Israel even left in 2008 in a show of good will and tried to let Gaza self-govern for a while; the citizens elected Hamas, which should tell you their mindset.

Also, there is not 'state' of Palestine, their are arabs the neighboring countries have puch into those areas and labelled 'Palestinians' as a catspaw against Israel. Letting any Gaza citizen who is not part of or supporting Hamas head to Egypt or the West Bank is being 'nice'.

Gaza by land area is barely the size of Lansing, Michigan, and there is no reason for Israel to let it continue as they have; absorbing Gaza completely into Israel and removing anyone connected to Hamas an shift the non-Hamas folks to the West Bank or Egypt is less risky in the long run for Israel.

Also, the Neo-cons have been proven right about Russia, Iran, the jihadi's in Hamas and Hezbollah; so calling me a neo-con for no longer believing in isolationist illusions is not something I take as an insult.

Neocons are responsible for conservatives being less popular and democrats winning with Obama and tons of others so put away your war boner. Also learn about the area is it the West Bank or Gaza Strip that you want to ethnically cleanse. Also what the fuck makes you think Egypt will allow Palestinians in? Do you want Israel to go to war with Egypt to force them to take in refugees? Because they won’t.
Here is the thing Israel could occupy and invade Palestine just like how Germany and Japan were. The occupation could be indefinitely, and under occupation Palestinians would have less rights. But Israel can’t be allowed to take the land as part of their state unless the people there are given equal rights to Israelis. If you annex land you are t allowed to kill off the people there or expel them.

They literally pay years worth of typical local salary to send themselves.

And what does it have to do with Israel?
That's like French stock Canadians being angry at English stock Texans for English stock Canadian leftists.

So you want to be angry at the nationalist Jews who left for the actions of local leftist ones who didn't? Where is the logic?

This is why neocons are just as bad as leftists. Leftists suck Muslim dick “Oh those poor oppressed Muslims western society is so bad to them. Plz ignore all the crimes migrants do.” Neocons suck Jewish dick “oh those poor Jews our socieities were so evil against them. Plz ignore the problems Jewish leftists cause and caused and how Jewish nationalists also do things against our interests for their own benefit.” Hell we had @AmosTrask a guy who isn’t European just lives there earlier try and defend the Sampson option against Europe. I can understand it if it was being done against an enemy that is attacking or blockading you. But if we don’t serve and protect you then you’ll fuck us up? Yeah fuck that, if a nation can’t stand on its own two feet then no other nation owes it anything.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

The only mainstream explicitly pro-immigration party is the PD in Italy and guess who is the leader? Elly Schlein

No, she's the secretary. The leader is Stefano Bonaccini, a southern Italian.

To get back on topic, I'm starting to feel Hamas will win this war. Israel isn't showing the appropriate commitment, and Biden is proving Obama's words right.

 

[Marduk]

This is why neocons are just as bad as leftists. Leftists suck Muslim dick “Oh those poor oppressed Muslims western society is so bad to them. Plz ignore all the crimes migrants do.” Neocons suck Jewish dick “oh those poor Jews our socieities were so evil against them. Plz ignore the problems Jewish leftists cause and caused and how Jewish nationalists also do things against our interests for their own benefit.” Hell we had @AmosTrask a guy who isn’t European just lives there earlier try and defend the Sampson option against Europe. I can understand it if it was being done against an enemy that is attacking or blockading you. But if we don’t serve and protect you then you’ll fuck us up? Yeah fuck that, if a nation can’t stand on its own two feet then no other nation owes it anything.

First time i hear of neocons supporting Jewish leftists like Soros.
Again, what did Jewish nationalists do to you?

Here is the thing Israel could occupy and invade Palestine just like how Germany and Japan were. The occupation could be indefinitely, and under occupation Palestinians would have less rights. But Israel can't be allowed to take the land as part of their state unless the people there are given equal rights to Israelis. If you annex land you are t allowed to kill off the people there or expel them.

This is a shitlib belief.
Pragmatically, our enemies couldn't care less, so why should we impose such rules on ourselves and then self-police ourselves to obey a handicap like that.

 

[Navarro]

Big "why cops shoot people for shooting people" energy.
Same answer.
Did Hamas ever follow our infidel rules?
Why should it benefit from their protection?

More to the point, belligerents aren't at all obligated to supply their enemies. The USA had no obligation to supply the Nazis and Japanese with fuel and weapons, for instance. Blockades and sieges are also legal tactics of war and always have been, as demonstrated countless times.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

To get back on topic, I'm starting to feel Hamas will win this war. Israel isn't showing the appropriate commitment, and Biden is proving Obama's words right.

to clarify....
Is this sarcasm?

 

[Navarro]

to clarify....
Is this sarcasm?

That or doomer.

 

[King Arts]

First time i hear of neocons supporting Jewish leftists like Soros.
Again, what did Jewish nationalists do to you?

Neocons have their sacred cows just like leftists. Leftists bitch and moan about how westerners are/were evil because of what they did to blacks in the past. Neocons say Europeans were evil in the past for how they oppress Jews.

And I don't have any hatred towards Jewish nationalists. I realize they do what they do because they think it's best for their people, I can respect that. It does not mean that I will support them as my greatest ally. Jewish nationalists support Jews if a policy they do is good for me and my own great, but I recognize they are doing it for themselves not me. If a policy is harmful to me then I will oppose it. I am smart enough to not give my unconditional support or hatred to other groups just because of a short surface level examination.

This is a shitlib belief.
Pragmatically, our enemies couldn't care less, so why should we impose such rules on ourselves and then self-police ourselves to obey a handicap like that.

It's not a shitlib belief it's basic laws of war and human rights. Unless you are saying that what Germans did in eastern europe was not bad for their "living space" or what the Serbs tried to do is not bad, or if Russia decided to do that to parts of Ukraine and bring in Russians.

Also who is this "us" this is a fight between Jews and Arab Muslims. Neither of us are part of that group I don't know why you seem to simp for one side over another. But neither side is a great friend you already know about what arab muslims do. But Jews have advocated for European nations to follow those rules, so what's good for the goose is good for the gander isn't it?

 

[Bacle]

I’m not going leftist I’m mostly responding to Bacle who WOULD take the complete opposite position if I don’t know Russia pushed Ukrainians off land that is considered theirs. He would call that genocide.

Ukraine is a sovereign nation that the US has security agreements with, has a functional government, and actual legitimacy as a nation.

Gaza is a urbanized ghetto that is controlled by a terrorist organization and which has rejected every attempt at peaceful solutions to the tensions in that region.

That you don't understand the difference between Ukraine and Hamas is your problem.

Neocons are responsible for conservatives being less popular and democrats winning with Obama and tons of others so put away your war boner. Also learn about the area is it the West Bank or Gaza Strip that you want to ethnically cleanse. Also what the fuck makes you think Egypt will allow Palestinians in?

I know that right now Gaza is under Hamas control, the West Bank isn't, and it doesn't sound like the Palestinian Authority is interested in attacking Israel.

It's not ethnic cleansing to absorb Gaza and remove Hamas from it, because 'Palestinian' is not an ethnicity, it's a fake name/concept conjured up by the neighboring Arab states to use as a catspaw against Israel and to push their own undesirables into.

Why do you think every neighboring nation that has attempt to let the 'Palestinians' in has subsequently kicked them back out after things like attempted coups.



This is what Hamas wants, not just Gaza but the whole world under their Islamic rule.

Do you want Israel to go to war with Egypt to force them to take in refugees? Because they won’t.

If Egypt doesn't take the non-Hamas people out of Gaza, they can go to the West Bank once they are cleared of Hamas suspicions/ties.

But Israel is done leaving their enemies a foothold to launch attacks from, just because some fools actually believes the lies the Arabs cooked up about 'Palestinians' to keep their catspaws intact.

Here is the thing Israel could occupy and invade Palestine just like how Germany and Japan were. The occupation could be indefinitely, and under occupation Palestinians would have less rights. But Israel can’t be allowed to take the land as part of their state unless the people there are given equal rights to Israelis. If you annex land you are t allowed to kill off the people there or expel them.

There is no state of 'Palestine', there is a the Gaza Strip ghetto/Hamas base and the West Bank territories that are under Palestinian Authority control, because even Jordan doesn't want to be responsible for dealing with their catspaw domestically, after the coup attempt the last time Jordan let the 'Palestinians' in.

This isn't comparable to Germany or Japan, it's not even comparable to Iraq or A-stan; Gaza is a ghetto-turned-human-shielded military base for Hamas and will be treated as such. Controlling it is not that hard, it's barely the size of small US city, and Israel is being methodical in it destruction of Hamas assets, because this time the goal is to remove Hamas from the picture for good.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

to clarify....
Is this sarcasm?

It's realism. The west has rarely managed to succeed in defeating Islamism so far, even in their own homes. I don't see any reason for the same methods to yield a different result.

 

[Bacle]

Wow, Ayatollah Khamenei made a public address about the attacks, and seems to be trying to say Iran didn't support or plan this attack, which everyone knows is a load of shit.

The Ayatollah just doesn't want to be held accountable for his actions in support of Hamas and Hezbollah, now that the US has stepped in to directly support Israel with the Gerald Ford CVBG.

 

[Zachowon]

Wow, Ayatollah Khamenei made a public address about the attacks, and seems to be trying to say Iran didn't support or plan this attack, which everyone knows is a load of shit.

The Ayatollah just doesn't want to be held accountable for his actions in support of Hamas and Hezbollah, now that the US has stepped in to directly support Israel with the Gerald Ford CVBG.

They scared of the biggest warship ever near them.
Good good, maybe war CAN be avoided.
Let's just hope Syria and Lebenon learn from this

 

[Lord Sovereign]

I’m no Warhawk, but I take Machiavelli’s stance on the matter:

”There is no avoiding war; it can only be postponed to the advantage of others.”

If Iran has to be broken and the American yoke put on it for the sake of stability/sanity in the region, then best get it over with.

 

[Rukatin]

Does anyone have any updates on the ground changes or artillery campaign that Israel has done?

 

[King Arts]

Ukraine is a sovereign nation that the US has security agreements with, has a functional government, and actual legitimacy as a nation.

Gaza is a urbanized ghetto that is controlled by a terrorist organization and which has rejected every attempt at peaceful solutions to the tensions in that region.

That you don't understand the difference between Ukraine and Hamas is your problem.

The only differance is that one is a failed state. It's still a state. Are you saying that if Ukraine collapsed into rebellion and general lawlessness it would be ok for Russia to take over the Donbass and expel the people there?

I know that right now Gaza is under Hamas control, the West Bank isn't, and it doesn't sound like the Palestinian Authority is interested in attacking Israel.

It's not ethnic cleansing to absorb Gaza and remove Hamas from it, because 'Palestinian' is not an ethnicity, it's a fake name/concept conjured up by the neighboring Arab states to use as a catspaw against Israel and to push their own undesirables into.

Why do you think every neighboring nation that has attempt to let the 'Palestinians' in has subsequently kicked them back out after things like attempted coups.

I love Memri as much as the next guy but your sources are biased as hell. First the Simon Wiesenthal center, and they link to Memri, while Memri is good for a laugh. It was founded by Israeli intelligence.

Middle East Media Research Institute - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Also it would be ethnic cleansing to absorb Gaza and remove Palestinians from it. Because whether you like it or not Palestinian is an nationality/ethnicity. Also all nations have signed treaties to try and limit and end statelessness.

Statelessness - Wikipedia

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That means that the people of the West Bank and Gaza are citizens of some nation. The Arab states like Jordan and Egypt say they are not their citizens, and that's fine as long as Egypt does not control Gaza and Jordan does not control the West Bank. So that leaves two options either the Arabs living there are Israeli citizens, OR they are their own separate nation. Israel would REALLY rather they not be citizens who could vote and change the demographics of their Jewish nation. And that's fair. But then that means that Palestine is a seperate nation.

Now nations can be occupied and controlled by another nation. HOWEVER annexing land kicking the residents out to other smaller bits of land, and doing it again 20 years from now is slow genocide. So stop sucking Israels dick so much.

If Egypt doesn't take the non-Hamas people out of Gaza, they can go to the West Bank once they are cleared of Hamas suspicions/ties.

But Israel is done leaving their enemies a foothold to launch attacks from, just because some fools actually believes the lies the Arabs cooked up about 'Palestinians' to keep their catspaws intact.

Again slow genocide is still genocide. Kicking out 2 million people from their home and sending them somewhere else, and then 20 years later taking more land is still genocide.

There is no state of 'Palestine', there is a the Gaza Strip ghetto/Hamas base and the West Bank territories that are under Palestinian Authority control, because even Jordan doesn't want to be responsible for dealing with their catspaw domestically, after the coup attempt the last time Jordan let the 'Palestinians' in.

This isn't comparable to Germany or Japan, it's not even comparable to Iraq or A-stan; Gaza is a ghetto-turned-human-shielded military base for Hamas and will be treated as such. Controlling it is not that hard, it's barely the size of small US city, and Israel is being methodical in it destruction of Hamas assets, because this time the goal is to remove Hamas from the picture for good.

Israel disagrees with you. They recognize that Palestinians are not Egyptian, or Syrian, or Jordanian, and they for sure say that they are not Israeli. So they treat the Palestinian authority as occupied lands. That is fair under international law as long as they aren't deciding to permanently annex the land without giving the residents rights. Israel could occupy Palestine indefinitely until Palestine agrees to a peace deal that Israel likes. Again Germany and Japan.

Also the size of a nation is not important Vatican city and Monaco and San Marino are nations even if they are just a city, I don't know why you jerk off to some "size limit"

 

[Bacle]

The only differance is that one is a failed state. It's still a state. Are you saying that if Ukraine collapsed into rebellion and general lawlessness it would be ok for Russia to take over the Donbass and expel the people there?

I love Memri as much as the next guy but your sources are biased as hell. First the Simon Wiesenthal center, and they link to Memri, while Memri is good for a laugh. It was founded by Israeli intelligence.

Middle East Media Research Institute - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Also it would be ethnic cleansing to absorb Gaza and remove Palestinians from it. Because whether you like it or not Palestinian is an nationality/ethnicity. Also all nations have signed treaties to try and limit and end statelessness.

Statelessness - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That means that the people of the West Bank and Gaza are citizens of some nation. The Arab states like Jordan and Egypt say they are not their citizens, and that's fine as long as Egypt does not control Gaza and Jordan does not control the West Bank. So that leaves two options either the Arabs living there are Israeli citizens, OR they are their own separate nation. Israel would REALLY rather they not be citizens who could vote and change the demographics of their Jewish nation. And that's fair. But then that means that Palestine is a seperate nation.

Now nations can be occupied and controlled by another nation. HOWEVER annexing land kicking the residents out to other smaller bits of land, and doing it again 20 years from now is slow genocide. So stop sucking Israels dick so much.

Gaza is not a state, Hamas is not a government any more than Al Qaeda was, neither is Palestine a real ethnicity instead of just Arab outcasts other nations are using as catspaws, so your premise is false to begin with, and no bullshit you try to sling will change that.

Again slow genocide is still genocide. Kicking out 2 million people from their home and sending them somewhere else, and then 20 years later taking more land is still genocide.

No, because Hamas is not a state or ethnicity, and neither is 'Palestinian'; they are just Arabs catspaws that commies have tried to convince some fools are legit nation states/ethnicities.

Israel disagrees with you. They recognize that Palestinians are not Egyptian, or Syrian, or Jordanian, and they for sure say that they are not Israeli. So they treat the Palestinian authority as occupied lands. That is fair under international law as long as they aren't deciding to permanently annex the land without giving the residents rights. Israel could occupy Palestine indefinitely until Palestine agrees to a peace deal that Israel likes. Again Germany and Japan.

The only reason the Palestinian Authority is not the sights of Israel right now is because they are not as retarded and suicidal as Hamas.

It doesn't change the lies told by the Arab neighbors to try to 'create' a 'Palestinian state'.

If Israel wanted to get the West Bank back, in the event the PA went as retarded as Hamas has, I'd support that too.

Also the size of a nation is not important Vatican city and Monaco and San Marino are nations even if they are just a city, I don't know why you jerk off to some "size limit"

Because Gaza isn't a nation, it's an urbanized ghetto controlled by terrorists who wanted to make their own little Islamic North Korea, and have now fucked around to the point of signing Hamas's death warrant as an organization.

But keep on with the concern trolling and false equivalents; it helps show which side you are on and why no one should trust anything you say with regards to Israel or most anything.

 

[AmosTrask]

Both are problems.

Congràts, you just gàve me one more reàson to not like Isràel more.

Be honest. You never liked them beforehand. Samson has been fact since the 80s. How did you not know this?

Surrounded by a sea of Arab neighbors who want you dead I'd want a fuck you option as well. Masada and the last stand of the kingdom of Israel against the might of Rome is cemented in the mythos of modern Israel for a reason.

 

[AmosTrask]

Hamas delusion levels off the charts:

Hahahaha. We slaughtered them last time they attacked. Let them come. We'll show them we hate zealots of any religion equally in the Philippines. For every atrocity they commit, we'll bring out the Old Ways. Barbarism against Barbarism. We'll remind them why Islam never spread past Davao no matter how hard the Sultans tried.

 

[King Arts]

Gaza is not a state, Hamas is not a government any more than Al Qaeda was, neither is Palestine a real ethnicity instead of just Arab outcasts other nations are using as catspaws, so your premise is false to begin with, and no bullshit you try to sling will change that.

You don't get to decide what a state is Bacle. The Palestinians are a distinct people that makes them an ethnic group, that have semi control over a territory. That makes them a state. Because no other state not the Arabs and not Israel claims that Gaza and the west bank are part of their territory. Thus the Palestinians are a state, it may be a shitty failed state but it is a state nonetheless. You just stating your oppinion without any argument is meaningless.

No, because Hamas is not a state or ethnicity, and neither is 'Palestinian'; they are just Arabs catspaws that commies have tried to convince some fools are legit nation states/ethnicities.

I never said Hamas is a state or ethnicity you clown. I said Palestine. Hamas is depending on who you ask either a terrorist group, or a political party. Though really it's both.

You still haven't defined what a state or ethnicity is, besides your "Muh Palestine is not a state!"

The only reason the Palestinian Authority is not the sights of Israel right now is because they are not as retarded and suicidal as Hamas.

It does change the lies told by the Arab neighbors to try to 'create' a 'Palestinian state'.

If Israel wanted to get the West Bank back, in the event the PA went as retarded as Hamas has, I'd support that too.

West bank back? When did they own it?

Also does that mean you are advocating genocide? That if the Palestinian official government does something stupid Israel is allowed to conquer all the land and throw the native inhabitants into the sea?

Because Gaza isn't a nation, it's an urbanized ghetto controlled by terrorists who wanted to make their own little Islamic North Korea, and have now fucked around to the point of signing Hamas's death warrant as an organization.

But keep on with the concern trolling and false equivalents; it helps show which side you are on and why no one should trust anything you say with regards to Israel or most anything.

Gaza is officially a territory of the Palestinian authority just like the West bank is.

And again I'm not concern trolling. Unlike you I actually have my beliefs based on logic and consistency and then follow that logic based on the facts and the law and apply it consistently in ALL cases. You just support whatever team you want without actually thinking or using any logic or consistency at all.

Be honest. You never liked them beforehand. Samson has been fact since the 80s. How did you not know this?

Surrounded by a sea of Arab neighbors who want you dead I'd want a fuck you option as well. Masada and the last stand of the kingdom of Israel against the might of Rome is cemented in the mythos of modern Israel for a reason.

There is a differance between Israel nuking it's neighbors that are attacking it. And them fucking with Europe.

Samson Option - Wikipedia

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For the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away—unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, World War II European Jews or Rwandans—have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice

Rosenbaum writes in his 2012 book How the End Begins: The Road to a Nuclear World War III that, in his opinion, in the "aftermath of a second Holocaust", Israel could "bring down the pillars of the world (attack Moscow and European capitals for instance)" as well as the "holy places of Islam." He writes that "abandonment of proportionality is the essence" of the Samson Option.[dubious – discuss][34]

In 2003, a military historian, Martin van Creveld, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[35] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's The Gun and the Olive Branch (2003) as saying:

We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.[36]

Maybe if you simp so hard for those who would launch WMD's at Romania or other European countries for not serving their interests or protecting them above other nations, you should perhaps leave that country?

 

[Bacle]

You don't get to decide what a state is Bacle. The Palestinians are a distinct people that makes them an ethnic group, that have semi control over a territory. That makes them a state. Because no other state not the Arabs and not Israel claims that Gaza and the west bank are part of their territory. Thus the Palestinians are a state, it may be a shitty failed state but it is a state nonetheless. You just stating your oppinion without any argument is meaningless.


I never said Hamas is a state or ethnicity you clown. I said Palestine. Hamas is depending on who you ask either a terrorist group, or a political party. Though really it's both.

You still haven't defined what a state or ethnicity is, besides your "Muh Palestine is not a state!"

West bank back? When did they own it?

Also does that mean you are advocating genocide? That if the Palestinian official government does something stupid Israel is allowed to conquer all the land and throw the native inhabitants into the sea?


Gaza is officially a territory of the Palestinian authority just like the West bank is.

And again I'm not concern trolling. Unlike you I actually have my beliefs based on logic and consistency and then follow that logic based on the facts and the law and apply it consistently in ALL cases. You just support whatever team you want without actually thinking or using any logic or consistency at all.

There is a differance between Israel nuking it's neighbors that are attacking it. And them fucking with Europe.

Samson Option - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Rosenbaum writes in his 2012 book How the End Begins: The Road to a Nuclear World War III that, in his opinion, in the "aftermath of a second Holocaust", Israel could "bring down the pillars of the world (attack Moscow and European capitals for instance)" as well as the "holy places of Islam." He writes that "abandonment of proportionality is the essence" of the Samson Option.[dubious – discuss][34]

In 2003, a military historian, Martin van Creveld, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[35] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's The Gun and the Olive Branch (2003) as saying:



Maybe if you simp so hard for those who would launch WMD's at Romania or other European countries for not serving their interests or protecting them above other nations, you should perhaps leave that country?

Yes, I can see your twisted, almost commie logic when you post the bullshit hypotheticals and twist words to try to reframe a debate.

The is no 'state' of Palestine, no ethnicity of 'Palestinian', there are just Arab's who've been cast out from their old nations to use as catspaws against Israel. The only reason the Palestinian Authority is allowed to exist in it's delusion of statehood in the West Bank is because they are effectively toothless now, compared to Hamas, and use what teeth they do have to keep jihadi's from making the West Bank go the way of Gaza.

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There is a reason the other nations around the ME have expelled their 'Palestinian' populations, to become a catspaw against Israel, instead of trying to help them in their own nations. Every time any ME nation has tried to host and help the 'Palestinians', they've destabilized the nation in question.