Historical Conspiracies

[PsihoKekec]

So we don't clog other threads, feel free to divert such discussions here any time they happen.

They'd already broken the Japanese codes by then.

They broke Japanese diplomatic codes, not the high end naval ones. And even if they broke Japanese naval codes, Kiddo Butai kept radio silence during the voyage, so American eavesdropping would be useless.

But he let Pearl Harbor happen so America could be dragged into the war.

Roosevelt wanted war with Germany not Japan. He and his advisors believed that sanctions would bring the Japanese warmachine to it's knees and that chance of war was low.

Osama is probably somewhere in Arizona, drinking tea and playing chess with Bush.

Osama was dying of his kidney condition, his execution allowed them to neatly tie up a loose end.

 

[Agent23]

WMDs in Iraq.
"Moderate pro-democratic terrorists" in Syria and Libya.
Although those can probably be called reverse conspiracy theories, since the government was the one believing in them...

 

[Agent23]

 

[ATP]

"Polish dead camps"
In 1945 everybody knew,that germans was genociders,but after 1956 they start using"nazi" instead germans,which till 1990 succed.So,they germans/ start using "polish" instead of nazi - and from at least 2000 it is working for idiots on entire world.

Great work,germans - you genocided during WW2,and manage to blame it on your most damaged victim.

 

[WolfBear]

That Barack Obama wasn't actually born in the US:

 

[Zachowon]

"Polish dead camps"
In 1945 everybody knew,that germans was genociders,but after 1956 they start using"nazi" instead germans,which till 1990 succed.So,they germans/ start using "polish" instead of nazi - and from at least 2000 it is working for idiots on entire world.

Great work,germans - you genocided during WW2,and manage to blame it on your most damaged victim.

I have never heard anyone say that they were Polish death camps

 

[WolfBear]

I have never heard anyone say that they were Polish death camps

"Polish death camp" controversy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ATP]

"Polish death camp" controversy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wiki,as usually,is fucked.Kielce was made by soviets,USA ambassador reported it,and later wrote book ,Jedwabne was made by germans - german ammo was found there,and poles in 1941 have no weapons.

Even commie judges ,who in 1949 try framed poles for that,must in the end say that german did so with help of less then 30 poles,mostly made to do it by germans.

Why? tortured people either keep telling it was germans,or say so in court.They could kill entire village,of course - but they wonted confession to crimes which their victims do not comitted,and not get it.
So,they let it be.Poland was arleady gave to them by USA,after all.

But yes,polish death camps are german lie,who actually succed.It seems,that we should really helped germans,becouse we are blamed for their crimes anyway.

 

[WolfBear]

What about this historical conspiracy; Specifically the claim that COVID-19 was created/manufactured by the US Deep State in collaboration with the Chinese Communist Party in order to doom Donald Trump's 2020 reelection bid?

 

[Agent23]

I have never heard anyone say that they were Polish death camps

Hitler was pretty adamant about genociding all slavs and taking our land.
He wanted to kick us off of it and starve us to death, though, but then again even the gas chambers were a later development they thought up because they wanted to get rid of the jews, so they probably planned to do the same with them or ship them off to some place in Africa.
In that piece of garbage's mind we were the true Untermenschen, and they were just a highly intelligent, stateless competitor people.
More slavs died in WWII than Jews, btw, when you add up famines, military deaths, forced deportations and work camps.
Russia alone had over 20 million war dead.
There was an anti-Jewish genocide, alright, but it pales in comparison to teh Slav genocide conducted by that Austrian hipster and his degenerate buddies.
Frankly, the Krauts should be building statues to Stalin and Zhukov and celebrating their lives for being so lenient to them and not making the rhetoric of Iliya Ehrenburg into official policy:

And the guy's rhetoric was extremely popular because there wasn't a single Russian/Soviet family that did not lose a son or a father to the war.Many lost considerably more.

Oh, the Russians did incur lots of damage and got revenge, Kennan called it "destruction the likes of which had not been seen since the Asiatic Hordes"(probably mongols), but after 4 years of bitter fighting, after they saw their friends die gruesomely and got no live, I am sure they would have been more than happy to fully wipe Germans off the face of the earth.

 

[Zachowon]

Hitler was pretty adamant about genociding all slavs and taking our land.
He wanted to kick us off of it and starve us to death, though, but then again even the gas chambers were a later development they thought up because they wanted to get rid of the jews, so they probably planned to do the same with them or ship them off to some place in Africa.
In that piece of garbage's mind we were the true Untermenschen, and they were just a highly intelligent, stateless competitor people.
More slavs died in WWII than Jews, btw, when you add up famines, military deaths, forced deportations and work camps.
Russia alone had over 20 million war dead.
There was an anti-Jewish genocide, alright, but it pales in comparison to teh Slav genocide conducted by that Austrian hipster and his degenerate buddies.
Frankly, the Krauts should be building statues to Stalin and Zhukov and celebrating their lives for being so lenient to them and not making the rhetoric of Iliya Ehrenburg into official policy:

And the guy's rhetoric was extremely popular because there wasn't a single Russian/Soviet family that did not lose a son or a father to the war.Many lost considerably more.

Oh, the Russians did incur lots of damage and got revenge, Kennan called it "destruction the likes of which had not been seen since the Asiatic Hordes"(probably mongols), but after 4 years of bitter fighting, after they saw their friends die gruesomely and got no live, I am sure they would have been more than happy to fully wipe Germans off the face of the earth.

That isn't what he was saying but good job doing a horrible job reading.
He was talking about that the Poles did the death camps...
And Slvs were killed more because they were used against the Germans in the Eastern Front.
There happend to be plenty fo slavs that fought FOR him

 

[Agent23]

That isn't what he was saying but good job doing a horrible job reading.
He was talking about that the Poles did the death camps...
And Slvs were killed more because they were used against the Germans in the Eastern Front.
There happend to be plenty fo slavs that fought FOR him

My point is, Poles wouldn't have organized death camps of their own volition.
Poles were the likelyest people to be sent to such places, and yeah, I know there were a few suicidal morons.

 

[ATP]

My point is, Poles wouldn't have organized death camps of their own volition.
Poles were the likelyest people to be sent to such places, and yeah, I know there were a few suicidal morons.

We were not used even as guards - ukrainians and lithuanians did so.But germans still created myth first about nazi death camps,and now they turned it into polish death camps.

 

[Agent23]

We were not used even as guards - ukrainians and lithuanians did so.But germans still created myth first about nazi death camps,and now they turned it into polish death camps.

Go all in on the anti-Nazi/German war guilt front and tell them they are liars!
It feels like they are trying to bring everyone down to their level and claim that everyone was an anti-Semite as a way to make themselves look better.
Hell, they demanded we claim that we took part in the holocaust when we were an Axis "ally" despite the fact that the Tzar, the government, the church and civil society in general telling the Nazis to btfo when they tried to fore us to intern and extradite our jews.

 

[ATP]

Go all in on the anti-Nazi/German war guilt front and tell them they are liars!
It feels like they are trying to bring everyone down to their level and claim that everyone was an anti-Semite as a way to make themselves look better.
Hell, they demanded we claim that we took part in the holocaust when we were an Axis "ally" despite the fact that the Tzar, the government, the church and civil society in general telling the Nazis to btfo when they tried to fore us to intern and extradite our jews.

Indeed,Bulgary,Finland and Hungary was countries which never helped germans in Holocaust.Vichy France helped,as well as Scotland Yard on occupied canal islands.

 

[Agent23]

Indeed,Bulgary,Finland and Hungary was countries which never helped germans in Holocaust.Vichy France helped,as well as Scotland Yard on occupied canal islands.

Yup, being sorry for the Holocaust and feeling collective guilt for it is like part of the GloboHomo Neolib gospel nowadays, even the Americans get blamed because of some ship full of Jewish refugees getting turned around because the USA had more stringent migration rules back then, with the Holocaust just being used by the globalist elites as rationale for open borders and multiculturalism, to the point where they attack Israel for wanting to keep potential enemies and terrorists out and trying to create a safe haven for one of the most widely prosecuted and desipsed religious minorities.Never-fucking mind that more slavs than jews were sacrificed in the war to destroy the Nazis and that the USA bankrolled the entire endeavor!

The Americans didn't know what would happen, in fact the majority of Germans did not know what was going on in those camps.
The Holocaust was and always will be a German-created disaster, German-planned, German-organized, mostly German perpetrated.Even if there were a few garbage humans in Poland and Ukraine and the Pribaltics that helped out in some way I doubt much was left of them after the Red army and the NKVD, who had orders to shoot SS on sight, were through with them.So you can say that those bad branches were truncated and cauterized out of every slavic national tree before they could sprout any seeds and lieves and fruit. 😂