China Hong Kong/China Thread

Very interesting, it seems that the people of Hong Kong have learned from the past quite well and applied these lessons effectively. It is also quite neat that we are seeing another example of how decentralized moments can work.
 
Language Log » Cryptic, allusive messages from Hong Kong's wealthiest tycoon
People have been wondering when Hong Kong's magnates would speak out on the prolonged protests in their city. Finally one has. That's Li Ka-shing, the richest of them all: "HK Billionaire Li Ka-Shing Breaks Silence Over Protests" (8/15/19 newscast on YouTube). He took out full page advertisements (both seem to be on the front page) in two of Hong Kong's most influential financial newspapers: Hong Kong Economic Times and Hong Kong Economic Journal.
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If we extract the final characters of the eight lines of the text, we obtain this powerful advice from Li Ka-shing:
yīnguǒ yóu guó
róng gǎng zhìjǐ
因果由國
容港治己
"The cause and the result depend upon China ([Zhōng]guó [中]國)
let Hong Kong rule itself"
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Welp.
Also, I'm pretty sure he's gonna die soon:
Finally, and this may be going too far, but numerologists are seeing that the first horizontal line has 4 characters, the second has 6, the third horizontal line has 8 characters, and the last horizontal line has 9 characters, and everyone knows what 4 / 6 / 89 signifies. Moreover, the symbolism of 4 / 6 / 89 is reinforced by the 6 ài 愛 ("love") characters separated by 4 dots. Last, there is a wish for prohibition of red at the very center.
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Here's to hoping Hong Kong succeeds. They really do deserve to get as far away from mainland China as possible.
 
FriedCFour said:
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Here's to hoping Hong Kong succeeds. They really do deserve to get as far away from mainland China as possible.
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If Chinese Military actually shoot them en masse....well this will be MUCH harder to cover up than Tiananmen Square

They will also make these Hong Kong-ers into martyrs and underdogs

Also, Kek, who among them got the idea of using a meme/symbol that’s been labeled Alt-Right?

Hlaalu Agent said:
That does make sense given their prior actions, so would you say that China is throwing their weight around in an attempt to assert their power? Or is it something less thought trough.
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I think China trying to amass power through censorship and orwellian methods’ more of a sort of addiction than any real pragmatic way of becoming a stronger nation/government

almostinsane said:
Well, China's political philosophy at the moment is: "Communism may have failed, but it'll be sheer chaos if we aren't firmly in control" and "See, authoritarian delivers! We're rich and powerful now!"
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Never read Atlas Shrugged and maybe labeled as Lisa Simpson said a fan of “The Right Wing’s Bible for Losers”, though that was in-regards to The Fountainhead, but this sorta sounds like them being lead by Mr. Thompson from Atlas Shrugged

Deregulating or lessening holds=A firm “NOOOO!!!”
 
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CarlManvers2019 said:
If Chinese Military actually shoot them en masse....well this will be MUCH harder to cover up than Tiananmen Square

They will also make these Hong Kong-ers into martyrs and underdogs

Also, Kek, who among them got the idea of using a meme/symbol that’s been labeled Alt-Right?
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No freakin clue but it took off. I guess as a fuck you to authoritarians and censorship? Maybe behind the chinese firewall there is a real life black market for rare Pepes?
 
my money is that there is going to be a very public crack down that china will kill the protestors that they will end democracy in hong kong and we are not going to do anything to stop it because no one is willing to go to war with china over it.

That said if the dice roll the wrong way this might crash the Chinese economy which has a whole lot of structural issues.
 
Cherico said:
my money is that there is going to be a very public crack down that china will kill the protestors that they will end democracy in hong kong and we are not going to do anything to stop it because no one is willing to go to war with china over it.

That said if the dice roll the wrong way this might crash the Chinese economy which has a whole lot of structural issues.
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Both of those options sound pretty bad. Either way people are getting screwed over, but the latter looks to be the better option over all. At least it could allow for the Communists* to get removed from power.

*Don't really see them as Communists anymore, state capitalists/market socialists really, and authoritarian ones at that.
 
Hlaalu Agent said:
Both of those options sound pretty bad. Either way people are getting screwed over, but the latter looks to be the better option over all. At least it could allow for the Communists* to get removed from power.

*Don't really see them as Communists anymore, state capitalists/market socialists really, and authoritarian ones at that.
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some times life isn't choosing between good and bad options some times its choosing between a whole lot of shitty options and trying to pick the least worst one.
 
The reality is that saving Hong Kong from slavery required either Britain to have a spare battery of MRBMs and an extra SSBN on patrol (The Red Chinese are not fools) or for the Legitimate Republic to hold part of the mainland.

My greater fear at this point is the threat to Free China. We withdrew our troops in the 1970s and that was a grave mistake. Sending them back with nuclear weapons to help Free China fend off Red China would be a grand strategic move, but have major economic consequences which make modern “patriots” quail from the stern measures now required.

I would offer them Statehoood to settle the matter of their survival on the international stage. We’ve lost Hong Kong, but we can still save the KMT’s redoubt and keep alive a Free Chinese culture for the future. I spent plenty of time in the businesses and restaurants of a very KMT Chinatown growing up, and the conversations with them and materials I read left me with no doubt on the matter. We are creating an evil for some cheap trinkets, as our current policy stands.

My greatest prayer for Trump is that he will sharply escalate the trade war after his re-election. It would make everything else worthwhile—if you must grasp the nettle, grasp it tightly.
 
Going by what I know about Hong Kong's history, it was a place that China didn't like and could even do without, say what you want about the British regardless of where you lie in the Political Spectrum, they helped make it important economically speaking and by the time it was to be reunited with the rest of China it was safe to say that even culturally/socially speaking they have differences.
 
Ultimately Hong Kong is screwed. The PRC can not allow it to get away with defying the central government and will prioritise state unity over anything else.

Regardless of what Beijing does, no one outside China is going to interfere directly. At least not on the kind of level that could potentially change things. No one is going to go to war to protect Hong Kong from Beijing.

Of course, the economic consequences of the CCP suppressing Hong Kong are going to destroy the Chinese economy and probably throw them into a fairly severe depression.

Tiananmen Square 2.0 covered live and in color via social media is going to make it a PR death sentence for any of the US firms to put the Made in China label on anything. You think that Samsung, for example, isn't going to astroturf a PR campaign where buying an iPhone is tarred as tantamount to supporting Chinese massacres?
 
I agree, Hong Kong is doomed. There's no way to save it now. The main thing is that since PRC control isn't total, in an ideal world we would designate Hong Kong as an oppressed nation and therefore permit refugees from it. That's actually my preferred immigration strategy -- nations being oppressed by our enemies should get refugee status, nobody else should. Though it would be better still if Free China could take them in. That would require Free China itself to be under a nuclear umbrella, and if Trump really wanted to take on Red China, then he needs to address that, and quickly.
 
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