It is not that simple for her, as she is the strongest force user. She does not even need to be there to wuin
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I get to conquer the Federation (SW and ST Crossover/SI)
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Knowledgeispower
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Actually that's a good question does the force work in slipspace? If it doesn't then the Forerunners ships are literally immune to it what with how much slipspace is built into them
It surrounds everything in the Galaxy, well universe
PeliusAnar
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The worst part is that Abeloth is protected by prophecy. Not just one, but two prophecies. Only a light sider master and dark sider master together can defeat her. She can only be killed by the Blade of Mortis. She has her own private dimension, every force power, shape shifting, and is immortal in every sense. Even if you dump her somewhere else, she has enough power to be considered a Force Nexus, able to use the Force anywhere. The only way to imprision her was on a planet completely surrounded by black holes.
There is a strong argument she has flow walking as a force power. The ability to travel through time and alter events. Her only real counter would be Q, but even then I would say it would be a toss up depending on how the author writes things out. She is that heavy a hitter.
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Knowledgeispower
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You know I always wondered why the Son and Daughter didn't just go take the Dagger and shank her.The worst part is that Abeloth is protected by prophecy. Not just one, but two prophecies. Only a light sider master and dark sider master together can defeat her. She can only be killed by the Blade of Mortis. She has her own private dimension, every force power, shape shifting, and is immortal in every sense. Even if you dump her somewhere else, she has enough power to be considered a Force Nexus, able to use the Force anywhere. The only way to imprision her was on a planet completely surrounded by black holes.
There is a strong argument she has flow walking as a force power. The ability to travel through time and alter events. Her only real counter would be Q, but even then I would say it would be a toss up depending on how the author writes things out. She is that heavy a hitter.
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Jaenera Targaryen
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Because neither of trust the other with the Dagger, that's why. Ditto for the Father.
PeliusAnar
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The other name of Abeloth is The Mother. The Father represents the force unified. The Son the dark side. The Daughter the Light side. The Mother represented the force unified but in chaos. With all that, they probably truly loved her. You don't name someone as your mother when you are a god like being if you don't truly feel they are your mother. You just build a prision planet of black holes and stick her there for all eternity.
I am trying to think of a prison more hardcore than that, but I am feeling hard pressed. I mean it wasn't just one black hole, but a whole bunch of them. That takes some dedication.
Or that.
Knowledgeispower
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So basically Anakin fucked up since he was presumably supposed to control the Daughter and the Son and then use them and the dagger(which he would be carrying) to go kill Abeloth.
PeliusAnar
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That was the legends version and the whole point of him 'bringing balance to the force.' But he was like, screw that I am Anakin Skywalker. So his son Luke decades later had to battle Abeloth and banish her from Coruscant along with Darth Krayt. Luke then warned she was not really dead and would eventually return and they needed the Blade of Mortis to finish the job.
Jaenera Targaryen
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No, his job was to succeed the Father as the Embodiment of the Force itself.
Knowledgeispower
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I'm 99.999999999999999999% certain that the reason why Anakin didn't want to stay on Mortis was Padme. Seriously Anakin use your brain and not your anatomy.
Jaenera Targaryen
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Hey, there's an idea for a fanfic: Anakin = the Father. Luke = the Son (Dark Empire vibes, yo). Leia = the Daughter. Padme = the Mother (kinda makes sense when you think about it).
Knowledgeispower
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I was just thinking about that but you beat me to the punch(I'd flip Luke and Leia though since politicans are naturally evil creatures). By the way I really hope your SI eventually does something remarkable to redeem herself otherwise she's an unrepentant monster who deserves death via exceedingly long and painful torture...and then using the same techniques Sidious did on the Death Star's chief designer in Legends to repeat the process as many times as physically possible.
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Speaking of Abby, I wonder if the Yuuzhan Vong intendants have become aware of the wormhole to the Trek galaxy.
Jaenera Targaryen
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This is actually true. Even in Legends, Leia was clearly touched by the Dark Side*, and temperament-wise, was closer to her father than to her mother. It took her several novels to finally acknowledge the distinction between Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker, and in fact, was her trial to become a full-fledged Jedi Knight.
*Remember how she strangled Jabba? It's all but certain she was subconsciously using a combination of Force Choke and Force Strength to pull it off, as Leia is too petite to be able to pull it off with just her normal strength alone.
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I advocated Leia as a Sith apprentice to Jacen in an alt LOTF. Mother son Sith Duo!
Jaenera Targaryen
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Come to think of it, despite being a Jedi Knight/Consular, Leia in Legends used a bloodshine blade. That is, the only difference between her lightsaber and that of a Sith Lord's was that her crystal wasn't attuned to and energized by the Dark Side of the Force, but the blade had the same burning red color traditionally used by the Sith.
Navarro
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Apparently in the post-TOS shows, even crewmen take four years at Starfleet Academy. I'm not usually a fan of the semi-gnostic "canon is actually IU propaganda and the Federation is really a communist dystopia", but a set-up so impractical reeks of something fishy to me.
Knowledgeispower
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Consider how complicated Starships are it should take quite some time to train someone who is stationed on one. Mind you for enlisted personnel that should be roughly half a year of general training and some more specialized training the length of which depends on the field the recruit is going into. Obviously the medical and engineering fields would take the longest to train people for while Security would be the shortest.
liberty90
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I'm not sure that after something like that Earth would be still habitable outside of arcology-style settlements with strictly controlled artificial internal weather.
PS. As to teaching the Federation how to live, the Star Wars universe is also not without its flaws. While they feel closer to an understanding of human nature, while they feel to me more... Human...
While these things are true, their technological and social achievements are underwhelming for tens of thousands of years with (post?)industrial space technology.
By "social achievements" I mean no lack of Federation-style "moral progress" and "let's hug everyone and sing kumbayah while feeling moral superiority constantly", certainly no. I mean, rather... Surprisingly low wealth per capita*, or atrocious crime rates, or sometimes outright lack of any firm authority (especially over places like the lower levels of Coruscant, or many less-developed planets, for example). In regards to these issues, Empire (and earlier Republic likewise, actually) is closer to the "Roman Republic/Empire in space" than to "the modern USA in Space".
*They must even have ancient/medieval economic growth patterns, that is 0.1% of growth per decade (and sometimes war-caused depression), otherwise, the long history of the Star Wars galaxy at constant levels of wealth would have no sense.
PS. As to teaching the Federation how to live, the Star Wars universe is also not without its flaws. While they feel closer to an understanding of human nature, while they feel to me more... Human...
While these things are true, their technological and social achievements are underwhelming for tens of thousands of years with (post?)industrial space technology.
By "social achievements" I mean no lack of Federation-style "moral progress" and "let's hug everyone and sing kumbayah while feeling moral superiority constantly", certainly no. I mean, rather... Surprisingly low wealth per capita*, or atrocious crime rates, or sometimes outright lack of any firm authority (especially over places like the lower levels of Coruscant, or many less-developed planets, for example). In regards to these issues, Empire (and earlier Republic likewise, actually) is closer to the "Roman Republic/Empire in space" than to "the modern USA in Space".
*They must even have ancient/medieval economic growth patterns, that is 0.1% of growth per decade (and sometimes war-caused depression), otherwise, the long history of the Star Wars galaxy at constant levels of wealth would have no sense.
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