I get to conquer the Federation (SW and ST Crossover/SI)

[LindyAF]

Enjoying this so far. I confess I'm a much bigger Star Wars fan than Star Trek fan, and I'm often the kind to root for the Empire, so while so far this is a bit of a stompfic, it's the sort of stompfic that's at least a guilty pleasure for me, and I can't hold that against it. While it's a shame that certain other forums have basically become totally hostile to any fiction that presents a less than totally negative view of the Empire, their loss is our gain.

That said, I do think there should be a point where the Empire runs up against something that can actually fight back. Don't care if it's competent guerilla action, the Borg, or something more exotic. Maybe some crossover faction, like Rebels successfully linking up with the remnants of the Federation.

 

[Airedale260]

Enjoying this so far. I confess I'm a much bigger Star Wars fan than Star Trek fan, and I'm often the kind to root for the Empire, so while so far this is a bit of a stompfic, it's the sort of stompfic that's at least a guilty pleasure for me, and I can't hold that against it. While it's a shame that certain other forums have basically become totally hostile to any fiction that presents a less than totally negative view of the Empire, their loss is our gain.

That said, I do think there should be a point where the Empire runs up against something that can actually fight back. Don't care if it's competent guerilla action, the Borg, or something more exotic. Maybe some crossover faction, like Rebels successfully linking up with the remnants of the Federation.

If it weren’t for the ICS calcs being so off the charts then I would say the Babylon 5 galaxy would put a world of hurt on them, especially if it’s the 2280s era when not only have the Younger Races bulked up in general, but EarthForce has gone from being an also-ran to arguably the top dog in the entire galaxy. Dunno if they were able to integrate sensors capable of getting past Minbari stealth by that time or not (other than the Nemesis destroyers), but in general the latest designs are head and shoulders above what they had in the 2250s-early 2260s.

Especially since Babylon 5 humanity is far more...ah, morally flexible...about wars for survival.

 

[LindyAF]

If it weren’t for the ICS calcs being so off the charts then I would say the Babylon 5 galaxy would put a world of hurt on them, especially if it’s the 2280s era when not only have the Younger Races bulked up in general, but EarthForce has gone from being an also-ran to arguably the top dog in the entire galaxy. Dunno if they were able to integrate sensors capable of getting past Minbari stealth by that time or not (other than the Nemesis destroyers), but in general the latest designs are head and shoulders above what they had in the 2250s-early 2260s.

Especially since Babylon 5 humanity is far more...ah, morally flexible...about wars for survival.

I don't think the author is using ICS calcs (which is good, because they're garbage), as the Star Trek tech seems to be at or slightly below the Star Wars tech, with the Empire crushing them being mostly due to just the massive numerical and resource advantage.

By crossover I just meant a Star Wars antagonist working with the a Trek antagonist, or the Trekkies making some use of Star Wars stuff, so as not to bring in another crossover. Although now I'm thinking about the 40k Imperium coming in and basically looking at the Empire the same way the Empire is looking at the Federation.

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

Although now I'm thinking about the 40k Imperium coming in and basically looking at the Empire the same way the Empire is looking at the Federation.

The Imperium would assimilate the Empire, considering all the common ground between them, from the rigid class society and official policy of xenophobia to the militaristic culture. The only problem is COMPNOR's misogyny, but that can be patched out, in favor of even more intense xenophobia.

IIRC, there was a fic about this, with Revelation getting mind-ISOT into Darth Sidious at the height of the Great Jedi Purge. After spending a few months repairing his new body, he starts making changes...which isn't really much: High Human Culture just loses its misogynistic elements, the minimalist architecture of the Empire gets phased out in favor of Neo-Baroque, the Sith influences from the Inquisitorius all the way to Darth Vader get patched out (though implicitly both the Inquisitorius and Anakin stick around), and Revelation reorganizes the Royal Guard into the Imperial Knights, a secular version of the Jedi Knights but sporting Custodes-grade gene-mods and powered armor.

Hang on, let me look for the fic so I can link to it. But TLDR, I wouldn't say the Empire and the Imperium would automatically be enemies. There's certainly more common ground between them than between the Empire and the Federation.

 

[Svalinn]

IIRC, there was a fic about this, with Revelation getting mind-ISOT into Darth Sidious at the height of the Great Jedi Purge.

Sounds like Switch.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6621164/1/Switch

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

Sounds like Switch.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6621164/1/Switch

Yeah, that's the one. Ironically, as Human Supremacist as he is, Revelation somehow manages to still be a better ruler than Darth Sidious. Then again, he's not in the business of ruling for evulz or power for the sake of power, but because to him Human Supremacy goes hand in hand with law and order. Even if said law and order needs to be imposed and maintained down the barrel of a gun, as shown by him supporting and even expanding the Death Star (or as he renamed it, Aquila Astra) program. Or retaining the proven Fett template as the main source of bodies for the Stormtrooper Corps, though, once again, he shows a better side of ruling compared to Darth Sidious by personally developing measures to stop their accelerated aging as well as providing generous retirement packages for veterans.

That, and since the assumption is Force = the Warp, he knows better than to needlessly stir it up considering what happened when the Old Ones did just that to fight the C'tan and the Necrons, or how the Eldar literally murderfucked a Chaos God into existence. And of course, Revelation is quite pragmatic, so if non/near-Humans accept Imperial regulation and/or cooperate with his goals, he's not above giving them a place in his New Order. He certainly seems to approve of Thrawn, but then again, who wouldn't?

A shame the fic is dead, I'd have loved to see Revelation rip the Yuuzhan Vong a new one.

 

[Navarro]

While it's a shame that certain other forums have basically become totally hostile to any fiction that presents a less than totally negative view of the Empire, their loss is our gain.

It seems to extend to stories about 'villain' factions that don't present them in a wholly lulzev0l light. I certainly doubt whether I could have written my own fanfics in the present climate without getting more abuse.

 

[ConfusedCanadian]

It seems to extend to stories about 'villain' factions that don't present them in a wholly lulzev0l light. I certainly doubt whether I could have written my own fanfics in the present climate without getting more abuse.

Ehh I wouldn't agree with that believe it or not. There is a good SW Villain fic that I am following on SB that stays a villain and is with a villain faction, I will admit that it's hard to come by a good villain fic that doesn't break a site rules but I do disagree there isn't any good villain fics on other sites or that this site id the only place where people can freely post such things.

If you want I can send a link to said good(well written) villain fic I don't do it now since I don't want to assume people want to see it.

 

[LindyAF]

Ehh I wouldn't agree with that believe it or not. There is a good SW Villain fic that I am following on SB that stays a villain and is with a villain faction, I will admit that it's hard to come by a good villain fic that doesn't break a site rules but I do disagree there isn't any good villain fics on other sites or that this site id the only place where people can freely post such things.

If you want I can send a link to said good(well written) villain fic I don't do it now since I don't want to assume people want to see it.

It's weird because I think it's particular villain factions, and often it's very specific. For instance, I'm pretty sure you could write Dark Side Revan apologia anywhere and it'd be fine. Anything about the Old Sith, CIS, or any independent dark side faction is also probably fine. It's just I think the Empire that I've seen people get blowback over.

 

[ConfusedCanadian]

It's weird because I think it's particular villain factions, and often it's very specific. For instance, I'm pretty sure you could write Dark Side Revan apologia anywhere and it'd be fine. Anything about the Old Sith, CIS, or any independent dark side faction is also probably fine. It's just I think the Empire that I've seen people get blowback over.

Oh now that you've explained that a bit more in-depth then yeah I would have to agree anything that had Sidious era Empire involved isn't a villain fic or at least a good and compelling one. Plenty of post Sidious Empire Villain fics but none really when he was in charge.

And if I'm being honest I don't really count this fic as a villain fic as well. Don't get me wrong the MC is serving the Empire but isn't necessarily evil about it more of an officer doing her duty.

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

It's weird because I think it's particular villain factions, and often it's very specific. For instance, I'm pretty sure you could write Dark Side Revan apologia anywhere and it'd be fine. Anything about the Old Sith, CIS, or any independent dark side faction is also probably fine. It's just I think the Empire that I've seen people get blowback over.

It helps that the Sith as of the SWTOR era actually have a semi-justifiable grudge against the Republic and the Jedi. Yes, about a thousand or so years ago, Naga Sadow and the Old Sith Empire launched a war of conquest. The Republic is entitled to a degree of harshness in victory, and the Sith would have understood that...except the Republic's response was genocide, hunting down and killing each and every Sith they could find. They even looked for and destroyed the Sith's cultural legacy, not just temples, tombs, and Dark Side Nexii, but even museums, libraries, etc. Even their language was proscribed. They literally tried to wipe the Sith not just from the galaxy, but from memory itself. And the Jedi participated, which in hindsight they admit might have been a mistake, as it permanently cemented the schism between them and the Sith.

Oh now that you've explained that a bit more in-depth then yeah I would have to agree anything that had Sidious era Empire involved isn't a villain fic or at least a good and compelling one. Plenty of post Sidious Empire Villain fics but none really when he was in charge.

And if I'm being honest I don't really count this fic as a villain fic as well. Don't get me wrong the MC is serving the Empire but isn't necessarily evil about it more of an officer doing her duty.

Yup; it's not like she can say no when Darth Sidious personally commanded her to conquer the Federation. Maybe if it was Vader, it would end with just her getting executed. Sidious? Sidious would have imprisoned her, tortured her, then taunted her by forcing her to watch as her family and friends all get tortured and killed for her disobedience, and maybe if he's feeling merciful, he'll finally kill her.

 

[ConfusedCanadian]

Yup; it's not like she can say no when Darth Sidious personally commanded her to conquer the Federation. Maybe if it was Vader, it would end with just her getting executed. Sidious? Sidious would have imprisoned her, tortured her, then taunted her by forcing her to watch as her family and friends all get tortured and killed for her disobedience, and maybe if he's feeling merciful, he'll finally kill her.

I was going along the lines of while she might not like the Emperor he did give her orders. And it is her duty to fulfill her lawfully given orders weather she likes them or not is a different matter all together. But I'm sure the subtly threat of death if she defied him played a part as well.

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

I was going along the lines of while she might not like the Emperor he did give her orders. And it is her duty to fulfill her lawfully given orders weather she likes them or not is a different matter all together. But I'm sure the subtly threat of death if she defied him played a part as well.

This is true. She's spent her whole life in the military, it's certainly subconscious by now for her to simply follow orders, even if she has reservations on the inside.

 

[Amir-015]

Section 31 commandoes being badass only to fall victim to something they didn't forsee....

What would it take for the Federation to get their act together and start holding their own against the Empire?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

What's going to be interesting is IF the Federation is unable to raise the number of troops necessary to fight this war.

I can see a number of issues for them as the Federation tries to do this.

Willingness of the general population to fight to the knife...especially once the Empire starts offering the 'carot' to planets that surrender.

Lack of trainers and training facilities for the numbers they'll need.

Etc...etc...

 

[DocSolarisReich]

The Federation already lost once they failed to contain the strangers immediately at the wormhole. The correlation of forces now makes their strategic defeat inevitable in conventional terms. Hypothetically, they could resort to irregular asymmetric resistance, but this would rely on a civilian population willing to support them and take the inevitable reprisals.

Why would Federation citizens sacrifice anything for an abstract political liberty they never actually bothered to use anyway?

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

That Section 31 tried - and more importantly failed - to assassinate the Orion Council of Matriarchs as retaliation for making a separate peace with the Empire will only serve to damage the Federation's standing even further. Maybe if they had succeeded it might cow the member systems into staying in line for a little longer, but failure only makes the Federation look desperate. And as my namesake admiral explained to her staff in the last chapter, the Imperial victory at Orion simultaneously demonstrates the Empire's willingness to compromise and that the Empire is negotiating because it can afford to, not because it needs to.

EDIT: The Federation also comes off as increasingly-impious, considering they just tried to cow one of the oldest civilizations in the quadrant. IIRC, the Orions had a thriving interstellar civilization as far back as the Vulcan Bronze Age. At least the Humans of the Galactic Empire can claim to hail from a similarly-august and historical civilization, the Galactic Empire being the legal successor* to the 25,000-year-old Galactic Republic. The Federation has none of that.

*Yes, legal. No matter how Amidala and her clique feel about it, the transformation of the Galactic Republic into the Galactic Empire was technically legal, being passed by an Act of Congress with the Galactic Senate voting to adopt Palpatine's Proclamation of the New Order.

 

[DocSolarisReich]

That Section 31 tried - and more importantly failed - to assassinate the Orion Council of Matriarchs as retaliation for making a separate peace with the Empire will only serve to damage the Federation's standing even further. Maybe if they had succeeded it might cow the member systems into staying in line for a little longer, but failure only makes the Federation look desperate. And as my namesake admiral explained to her staff in the last chapter, the Imperial victory at Orion simultaneously demonstrates the Empire's willingness to compromise and that the Empire is negotiating because it can afford to, not because it needs to.

EDIT: The Federation also comes off as increasingly-impious, considering they just tried to cow one of the oldest civilizations in the quadrant. IIRC, the Orions had a thriving interstellar civilization as far back as the Vulcan Bronze Age. At least the Humans of the Galactic Empire can claim to hail from a similarly-august and historical civilization, the Galactic Empire being the legal successor* to the 25,000-year-old Galactic Republic. The Federation has none of that.

Yes, this. <Mollari>'Incompetency and Impiety, how efficient of you.'</Mollari> This is a very bad look for the Federation and literally no one will care about the official Federation's disclaimer that S31 is 'rogue'. Even if True, that only damns the Federation as unable to control their own subordinates. I would expect to see a stampede for the exit now that the Empire has demonstrated Mercy and the Federation has demonstrated a ham-handed and blunt Severity.

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

Yes, this. <Mollari>'Incompetency and Impiety, how efficient of you.'</Mollari> This is a very bad look for the Federation and literally no one will care about the official Federation's disclaimer that S31 is 'rogue'. Even if True, that only damns the Federation as unable to control their own subordinates. I would expect to see a stampede for the exit now that the Empire has demonstrated Mercy and the Federation has demonstrated a ham-handed and blunt Severity.

I see you're truly a man of taste and culture.

Now there's an interesting idea: the Galactic Empire meeting the Centauri. I might write a one-shot about that one day, Ambassador Mollari meeting a certain Viscountess Summerhall. Oh, and our old friend Mr. Morden asking the good viscountess "What do you want?"

Spoiler: If you really want to know who Viscountess Summerhall is...

...her father is the incumbent Marquis Dragonstone and Count Targaryen.

 

[DocSolarisReich]

I see you're truly a man of taste and culture.

Now there's an interesting idea: the Galactic Empire meeting the Centauri. I might write a one-shot about that one day, Ambassador Mollari meeting a certain Viscountess Summerhall. Oh, and our old friend Mr. Morden asking the good viscountess "What do you want?"

Spoiler: If you really want to know who Viscountess Summerhall is...

...her father is the incumbent Marquis Dragonstone and Count Targaryen.

It's funny you mention that... If I might be so bold as to quote myself.

Spoiler: BattleDroids: Foreshadowing...

"And if we wished to offer something more than alliance to the Emperor?"

"Why Colonel Voegeler? What exactly are you offering?"

"What if we bent our knees then?"

"In that case, as vassals of his Immortal Eminence, your prosperity is his prosperity, your swords are his swords, and all things are possible, Colonel Voegeler, all things. In fact we have a pressing need for additional ships and troops on the Centauri front, so much of what has your high command drooling could be expedited."

"In general terms, we are willing to proceed on that basis, submission and service to the Emperor of the Sith in exchange for technological uplift and economic development, and support in our claims on the Hegemony and the Star-League of course."

"The Empire is also prepared to begin negotiations along those lines. You will have to be willing to suspend pursuing your claims until the Empire of the Sith has achieved her own claims on the Galactic Republic. And I have read enough of your files to realize how much of an ask that is. That is why we are willing to throw in a freebee to sweeten the pot."

"Oh?"

"Yes, we have already synthesized an inoculation and cure for Eden's Curse and are prepared to assist with other issues with incomplete planetary habitat engineering."

Ingolf missed the next step in the dance as he realized that Apprentice Daenerys had just casually offered to solve the single greatest social crisis of the Star-League-in-Exile as an throw away bonus.

"You Sith are merciless in your friendship."

"Imagine how we treat our enemies."

I'm working along very similar lines myself.