DarthOne
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FDR was not good. Beyond that we agree.
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FDR was not good. Beyond that we agree.
My point exactly. Europeans, and also before welfare.
Which leftists will work on rectifying.
How many won't be?
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I want growth by technology and efficiency, not by more sweatshops than China's colonies.
If you don't know what that means, you are disqualified from talking about international trade until you know.
The citizenry having a country to call their own, rather than international migrant labor's.
If the country is everyone's, then the citizenry doesn't have one and no longer means anything.
So no free trade with them (and many others) after all? Or are you just going to send them a sternly worded letter and still let them laugh in your face by practicing one way free trade?
What is it with your love of putting the cart before the horse?
Always trying to do stupid liberal policies in unsuitable environments, despite the fact that you the environment is not suitable, you know it's not and that gets our countries fucked over by those policies, and you just hope to make it suitable, somehow, in some unspecified long term future?
Free trade can only be free under the same set of rules and regulations, and besides things like the EU, yet even in such there are many holes, it generally doesn't happen between completely separate markets that run under very different rules.
In such case it's not free trade, it's managed trade, and whoever manages the rules and differences between them decides whose benefit it will be skewed towards.
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StormEagle
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The west is currently dying in large part due to the Reaganite/Friedman mindset of “everything’s fine as long as line goes up”.
The middle class has been shrinking because we sold the manufacturing sectors to China and Vietnam. The working class is suffering because we’ve undercut their wages with a tide of infinite illegals and inflating the prices of the housing/renting sector out of affordability.
Our cities are shitholes, where the mentally deranged roam the streets, shit and piss wherever they please, and accost people at will and the police are basically powerless to do anything.
The nations of Europe are being taken over by a culture that hates them.
London is slated to become majority Muslim soon, if it isn’t already. England has suffered under a tide of pedophilic grooming gangs, who the police do little to nothing about due to the fear of being labeled racist. The number one boys name in Ireland is an Arab name. France has ghettos where no sane Christian would dare to tread.
The only people truly doing well are the wealthy, who can afford to live in gated communities and suffer none of the consequences of these policies, and the bureaucratic/political elite.
The system of free trade, globalism, and cultural acceptance has lead us to cultural decay.
But it’s fine. It’s fine that we’re being replaced by third worlders, it’s fine that our large cities are becoming actual hellscapes, it’s fine that our nations are literally rotting before our eyes.
Because the line is going up.
The middle class has been shrinking because we sold the manufacturing sectors to China and Vietnam. The working class is suffering because we’ve undercut their wages with a tide of infinite illegals and inflating the prices of the housing/renting sector out of affordability.
Our cities are shitholes, where the mentally deranged roam the streets, shit and piss wherever they please, and accost people at will and the police are basically powerless to do anything.
The nations of Europe are being taken over by a culture that hates them.
London is slated to become majority Muslim soon, if it isn’t already. England has suffered under a tide of pedophilic grooming gangs, who the police do little to nothing about due to the fear of being labeled racist. The number one boys name in Ireland is an Arab name. France has ghettos where no sane Christian would dare to tread.
The only people truly doing well are the wealthy, who can afford to live in gated communities and suffer none of the consequences of these policies, and the bureaucratic/political elite.
The system of free trade, globalism, and cultural acceptance has lead us to cultural decay.
But it’s fine. It’s fine that we’re being replaced by third worlders, it’s fine that our large cities are becoming actual hellscapes, it’s fine that our nations are literally rotting before our eyes.
Because the line is going up.
No, it will mean US workers have better lives, better wages, will get IT that has English as a first language, and will stop sending our money to countries that abuse the US worker or are direct enemies of the US worker.
Selling out the US worker for a few bucks off cheap shit at Walmart is part of why the GOP's Reaganite crowd has lost so much clout.
Yeah, and Pinkertons were so gentle.
Unions didn't exist for the sake of violence, the existed to keep corpo abuses from getting absurd. Sometime the unions became abusive themselves, and needed to be dealt with using RICO laws or such, but what off-shoring has done is so much worse for the US society as a whole than unions ever were.
Also, Corpo's did engage in violence against workers far beyond what unions did, and unions came to be in large as a response to that.
Yes, we saw how off-shoring so much shit means we are at the mercy of the CCP for far too much, and how much damage the Jones Act has done to US shipping and waterway utilization.
It's not the unions who have fucked the US, it's the off-shoring and Reaganite/Friedman worshiping free trade that has fucked us as a nation for decades, for cheap shit at Walmart.
FDR and TR are equally important and equally useful as things for the GOP to emulate, if they want to draw in more moderates and independents, instead of just preaching to the Reaganite choir.
SoliFortissimi
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....is this about their race?
Yes, stronger penalties need to be implemented for criminals, along with a more robust police and anti-crime policies that are implemented regardless of what the preachers say.
You are dodging the question. Do you know about the Winter of Discontent?
Winter of Discontent - Wikipedia
Nice liberal soundbite you have here.
It could also be their culture, views, and socioeconomics, but no, your first guess is race.
People like you deserve the racial justice grifters and their eternal accusations of racism, to be paid off with favors and sinecures, just to be given yet another demand tomorrow.
Consider it your personal, well earned hell on Earth.
After all, people like you are exactly who enabled them to get as influential as they are now.
But will they be? Vast majority of the migrants and the people who want more of them will oppose this.
DarthOne
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Never mind the fact that all those mass migrations in the USA that are mentioned happened due to the sheer amount of free land that was available.
Now we don’t have enough for ourselves, much less the ‘huddled masses yearning to be free’. (Which was never the case anyway in reality- the USA was never so laid back or altruistic when it came to immigration)
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Now we don’t have enough for ourselves, much less the ‘huddled masses yearning to be free’. (Which was never the case anyway in reality- the USA was never so laid back or altruistic when it came to immigration)
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SoliFortissimi
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Is it about their culture and views or socioeconomics?
Why not? It has happened before. Don't you remember how even the Democrats were forced to become harsher on crime in the 90s? Or how Rudy cleaned NYC up?
Sure, the jails were stuffed, but it worked.
Yes, it is.
You think democrats don't fortify their power and don't prepare against losing power like in the past?
Just because SF got cleaned up for chairman Xi's visit didn't make it tough on crime as far as citizens are concerned, we all know that, and can conclude it can be done, the government just chooses not to, and does get away with that choice.
They aren't taking over media and education for nothing.
SoliFortissimi
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Then the proper reaction was to say "no, it's about their culture".
Then the Republicans need to evolve as well. The eternal battle against leftism requires eternal adaptation
King Arts
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Other people are dismantling your other arguments so I’ll just handle this one.
This is manifestly false people can get fucked over in trade it’s not like there is some neutral third party setting prices for goods and services so so someone can get less than a product is worth when selling it if they don’t know it’s actual worth or aren’t good at haggling, etc. and our leaders are idiots so it’s very possible for them to have made bad trade deals with others on our behalf.
Yet you have no adaptation for that, just more demands to let them have their way.
No, never heard of it in this context before.You are dodging the question. Do you know about the Winter of Discontent?
Winter of Discontent - Wikipedia
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I'd heard it in reference to the supply chain disruptions from the CCP during the Wu Flu lockdowns and after effects, which is what I commented on.
SoliFortissimi
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Then serves them right, and they'd better evolve or perish. At any rate, this information asymmetry benefits more educated states.
And did this reveal the true nature of Unions to you?
There will be. Wait and watch. Much as they believe otherwise, the future is on our side.
King Arts
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Then you are making a different fucking argument genius.
Your first argument was that free trade is fair and people aren’t fucked over,
Now it’s fuck fairness the weak and stupid deserve to be outcompeted in nature.
No, it shows what a mess the UK was at that point.
Unions sometimes go nuts or are abusive, but they don't ship jobs to India or the CCP like worshipping 'free trade' does.
Yeah, sure, i will believe it when i see it. Until then, it's a bullshit sale, and i'm not buying.
SoliFortissimi
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Because of Unions. It was a mess because of Unions. And it stopped being a mess when The Iron Lady spanked them.
If the workers in a union don't work, then you can't stop the whole economy to pander to their demands. What you do is to shift production to factories where the workers will earn their pay, and keep doing it until the gangsters break.
There can be no negotiation with terrorists.
mrttao
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Unions routinely fuck over their members. The union exists to enrich the union bosses, not protect the livelihood of its members
We literally just had an example with the writers guild and the AI deal. Where the union screwed all their members, lied and claimed their members approved it, and cut a deal to outsource all the work to AI in exchange for the union getting a cut.
Not the union members, they don't see a cent of it. (unless the AI is using their likeness)
LordDemiurge
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Yeah that’s the only reason.
And as we all know the corporations of the time never used violence to keep their workers in line.
They never committed such crimes like keeping factory doors locked which caused their workers to burn alive in a fire.
Or paying them Monopoly money that was uselesss outside of their labor camps.
Or hiring thugs and even getting the national guard to open fire or drop bombs on striking laborers.
I swear to god, you call me a ‘Marxist’ but atleast I’m consistent.
Conservatives will complain about ‘degeneracy’ and the evils of the global ‘elite’ in one breath and then turn around and preach that ‘umm ackthually, rich oligarchs have a god given right to act as amoral as they want, and only an evil socialist would ever complain about anything bad they do.’