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CarlManvers2019

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Yeah.

The hyperdrive will probably see use by the Custodes or the Grey Knights, since they get all the nice toys. The Death Star probably becomes one of Terra's many defense installations (but not before they dip it in gold and cathedrals). The Super Star Destroyers and the Imperial Star Destroyers likely join Battlefleet Solar as well; even if they are paltry compared to the forces already stored there. Star Destroyers start to look something like this:

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I'll try to get more info on the other sci-fi polities; from what I remember they're drops of water in an ocean compared to both the Imperium and the Empire.

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Which tech would say, be able to help mass produce the Marines?
 

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Which tech would say, be able to help mass produce the Marines?

I'm afraid I can't think of any. The Imperium can make many more Space Marine chapters if they want to, thousands in fact:

Watchers of the Throne - The Emperor's Legion said:
‘It’s still heresy,’ said Baldo Slyst, the ancient Ecclesiarch, and after Haemotalion the most absurdly over-embellished. He placed his many-ringed fingers before him on the stone table and fixed the rest of the High Lords with the bleak stare of a prophet. ‘The God-Emperor’s Will was reflected in that Edict. To erode it now is weakness of faith.’

‘It is weakness of mind to change nothing when the facts demand it,’ countered Uila Lamma, the Paternoval Envoy of the Navigators. Alone among the High Lords, Lamma was a representative of the real power behind the Houses, the vast and bloated mutant who occupied the Paternoval Palace of the warp scryers. I liked her too – as a servant like me, albeit an exalted one, she had retained some sense of proportion in life. ‘How many times have we seen the Lex bind our hands, when the Enemy has no law at all? We have held back from creating thousands more Chapters because we are held in thrall by the Lord Commander’s ancient doctrine. I say the day has long since passed for this. Let us unleash the Ten Thousand. Let us unlock the gene-labs and create new Space Marines to serve under our direct command. Let us re-form the Imperial Army, arm the Ecclesiarchy and end these divisions that cripple us.’

The Emperor, as far as I can tell, is 100% unrivaled when it comes to gene-science. Even then, he needed the scientists of Luna and centuries of tinkering to perfect a mass-producible space marine design. I think he'd have worked out all the kinks by the time the Great Crusade started.

The main things keeping this from happening are political problems, not logistical/material problems.

Any feats for Star Trek replicators?
 

CarlManvers2019

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I'm afraid I can't think of any. The Imperium can make many more Space Marine chapters if they want to, thousands in fact:



The Emperor, as far as I can tell, is 100% unrivaled when it comes to gene-science. Even then, he needed the scientists of Luna and centuries of tinkering to perfect a mass-producible space marine design. I think he'd have worked out all the kinks by the time the Great Crusade started.

The main things keeping this from happening are political problems, not logistical/material problems.

Any feats for Star Trek replicators?

What about stuff like the number of recruits that "pass", possible genetic defects or mutations or dying on the operating table?
 

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What about stuff like the number of recruits that "pass", possible genetic defects or mutations or dying on the operating table?

Unrelated question; is the image of the Chaos ship working now?

I can't speak for how Starcraft, or Star Trek would affect stuff like that, since my knowledge of the other settings is very limited, but any improvements will likely be the result of Guilliman:

Devastation of Baal said:
‘Look at that,’ said Guilliman. ‘The arrogance of the Neverborn remains as great as it ever was. But it is we who remain, and it is we who shall prevail. Dante, there is a lesser task I will set you.’ He lifted his hand up to encompass three worlds. ‘These planets were hells. For generations we have recruited the strong over the weak, in the belief it makes our warriors better. I do not think this is so. Cruel men make cruel warriors make cruel lords. We need to be better. We need to rise over the need for violence and recognise other human qualities in our recruits. Your Chapter has ever understood this. If we do not, then we will fall prey to our worst excesses, the kind of thing that that represents.’ He pointed at Ka’Bandha’s name. ‘It has long been in your capability to transform these worlds. Baal Primus is dead, but you need not let your remaining people suffer unnecessarily. Will they fight any better for dwelling on a world that kills them? By sacrificing their children to the Emperor’s service, they have earned a better life. Once you have torn that blasphemy down, raise up the population of Baal Secundus. Teach them what we are fighting for. A line must be drawn between what is good and what is evil, for if the Great Enemy comes with offers of power to a wretch, what reason does he have to refuse hell if he dwells in it already?’ Guilliman was tense. Dante had not expected that in the Lord of Ultramar. Guilliman was impatient to change things. He was angered by what he had found upon his rebirth, and he was not hiding it.

Chapters often purposely keep their recruiting grounds in a state of perpetual war or stone/medieval age tech, since they think it makes the populace stronger/keeps the gene pool strong.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Unrelated question; is the image of the Chaos ship working now?

I can't speak for how Starcraft, or Star Trek would affect stuff like that, since my knowledge of the other settings is very limited, but any improvements will likely be the result of Guilliman:

Chapters often purposely keep their recruiting grounds in a state of perpetual war or stone/medieval age tech, since they think it makes the populace stronger/keeps the gene pool strong.

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Admittedly, I was thinking of Quality VS Quantity, problem with the whole picking the cream from the crop is if there's not that much crop to begin with due to most of said crop dying horribly or being limited due to environmental factors

Though, people living in poverty or harsh times are more likely to actively reproduce than those in say First World Nations, more faithful too
 

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Working yes

Admittedly, I was thinking of Quality VS Quantity, problem with the whole picking the cream from the crop is if there's not that much crop to begin with due to most of said crop dying horribly or being limited due to environmental factors

Though, people living in poverty or harsh times are more likely to actively reproduce than those in say First World Nations, more faithful too

Well, generally an 'average mook' Astartes is likely going to be generally equal in capability from chapter-to-chapter, if they have roughly equivalent training doctrine, time, experience, equipment, etc.

Warhammer 40k: Rogue Trader said:
Some recruits come from the civilised areas of the Imperium - but not very many.

I personally doubt that there will be a crippling drop in viable recruits if Astartes across the galaxy recruited from decent worlds, as a lot of the limiters are more cultural than anything else. Recruits undergo tissue compatibility tests and psychological screening before they become aspirants:

GW Website - Creation of a Space Marine said:
The various implants cause vital changes in a Marine's physique and mental state. Many of these changes are controlled by natural hormonal secretions and growth patterns. Implants may not prove effective, or may not become fully functional, if they are carried out once the recipient has reached certain stages of natural development. It is therefore inevitable that recruits must be reasonably young. Tissue compatibility is also essential, otherwise organs may fail to develop properly.

The third consideration is mental suitability. The catalepsean node, occulobe, and sus-an membrane will only develop to a useable condition under the stimulus of hypnotic-suggestion. A recruit must therefore be susceptible to this particular treatment.

These considerations mean that only a small proportion of people can become Space Marines. They must be male because zygotes are keyed to male hormones and tissue types, hence the need for tissue compatibility tests and psychological screening. If these tests prove successful, a candidate becomes a neophyte. With the completion of organ implantation and attendant chemical and hypnotic training, the subject becomes an initiate. An initiate receives training before joining the ranks as a full brother. A Marine usually joins the ranks between the ages of 16-18, but such are the hormonal changes induced by the process of creating a Space Marine that recruits are physically fully grown before then. Pressures during wartime may accelerate the process.

THE RISKS
Although the Chapters are careful to select only the most suitable candidates, not all neophytes survive to become initiates. This is due in part to the degeneration of knowledge amongst the individual Chapters that makes screening procedures less effective than they once were. Nor are operational methods entirely satisfactory in some cases. In many Chapters implant surgery is heavily ritualised, and is often accompanied by scarring, incantation, periods of prayer, fasting and all sorts of mystical practices which compromise medical efficiency.

They would both have a pool of recruits that are larger and more loyal. But most Astartes chapters operate under a Darwinistic idea of recruitment. I wouldn't call Ultramarines any less skilled than their counterparts, the other chapters could be more efficient if they wanted to, but they don't (much like the rest of the Imperium).

If you have any feats for Star Trek replicators than that would be nice.
 
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mrttao

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The Emperor, as far as I can tell, is 100% unrivaled when it comes to gene-science. Even then, he needed the scientists of Luna and centuries of tinkering to perfect a mass-producible space marine design. I think he'd have worked out all the kinks by the time the Great Crusade started.
He didn't. Female space marines project was dropped due to the difficulty of making the mods work for both genders, and space marines are actually version 2, with version 1 being called thunder warriors.
He used them because they were good enough workable product, not because they were perfect
 

CarlManvers2019

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Well, generally an 'average mook' Astartes is likely going to be generally equal in capability from chapter-to-chapter, if they have roughly equivalent training doctrine, time, experience, equipment, etc.



I personally doubt that there will be a crippling drop in viable recruits if Astartes across the galaxy recruited from decent worlds. Recruits undergo tissue compatibility tests and psychological screening before they become aspirants.

They would both have a pool of recruits that are larger and more loyal. But most Astartes chapters operate under a Darwinistic idea of recruitment. I wouldn't call Ultramarines any less skilled than their counterparts, the other chapters could be more efficient if they wanted to, but they don't (much like the rest of the Imperium).

If you have any feats for Star Trek replicators than that would be nice.

Honestly, not going the extremely Darwinist Death-World sort of training and instead choosing to go do something closer to what Modern Armed Forces have that's more "Soldier" than "Warrior" sounds pretty cheap yet practical

Sure they may not have been already experienced in life-and-death situations on a constant-to-daily basis or already had those ingrained instincts, but training and discipline can do wonders and you'll get them in big numbers and you may as well judge them for their post-recruitment selves rather than just their pre-recruitment selves

Conan's people the Cimmerians from what I've been told, while able to beat off Aquillonians trying to colonize their lands, they needed to be united to do so against the much more advanced people who didn't have their same extremely harsh lifestyle and even into his later age, "civilized" peoples could still challenge him

Even REH's other barbarians like The Picts, only managed to become a threat to the "civilized" peoples they hated, by adopting "civilization" themselves and getting agriculture and using iron tools and weapons
 

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He didn't. Female space marines project was dropped due to the difficulty of making the mods work for both genders, and space marines are actually version 2, with version 1 being called thunder warriors.
He used them because they were good enough workable product, not because they were perfect

I know that, when I said 'kinks' I was generally referring to stuff like gene-seed implantation.

Honestly, not going the extremely Darwinist Death-World sort of training and instead choosing to go do something closer to what Modern Armed Forces have that's more "Soldier" than "Warrior" sounds pretty cheap yet practical

Sure they may not have been already experienced in life-and-death situations on a constant-to-daily basis or already had those ingrained instincts, but training and discipline can do wonders and you'll get them in big numbers and you may as well judge them for their post-recruitment selves rather than just their pre-recruitment selves

Conan's people the Cimmerians from what I've been told, while able to beat off Aquillonians trying to colonize their lands, they needed to be united to do so against the much more advanced people who didn't have their same extremely harsh lifestyle and even into his later age, "civilized" peoples could still challenge him

Even REH's other barbarians like The Picts, only managed to become a threat to the "civilized" peoples they hated, by adopting "civilization" themselves and getting agriculture and using iron tools and weapons

That's what I think as well.

Personally, I doubt the factions besides the Empire are going to mean much. From what little I know, they are both less advanced and have slower FTL.
 

CarlManvers2019

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That's what I think as well.

Personally, I doubt the factions besides the Empire are going to mean much. From what little I know, they are both less advanced and have slower FTL.

The Mechanicus could probably still make use of the technologies from the other series for things like helping speedup mass production

How does Starcraft have so much Power-Armor? Sure it maybe inferior, but it's still easily mass produced for one

 

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The Mechanicus could probably still make use of the technologies from the other series for things like helping speedup mass production

How does Starcraft have so much Power-Armor? Sure it maybe inferior, but it's still easily mass produced for one


Personally, I feel that I don't know enough about the Dominion's logistical chains to agree it's a result of technological superiority. Aren't they about the size of a 40k sector (about 200 square light-years)? The closest equivalent can think of for the Terran Marines that the Imperium has are Skitarii, and they come in bulk:

Codex: Skitarii (7th Edition) said:
998.M41
ULTIMATE POWER

Clues to the location of the Omnicopaeia are uncovered upon Hell's Teeth, a Daemon world on the edge of the Maelstrom. The Omnicopaeia, an arcane device that contains every STC with a psychic component, is of immeasurable value. Many billions of Skitarii are dispatched to Hell's Teeth with all haste...

And they're basically walking nuclear fallout with even nastier weapons:

Codex: Skitarii (7th Edition) said:
The Vanguard Skitarii cohorts are feared throughout the Imperium, for they use the baleful energies of the forge worlds as their weapon. Equipped with pack generators that bleed potent energy by-products, these Omnissian martyrs are so saturated in radiation that even to approach them is to succumb to their peculiar curse. Their baroque carbines fill the air around the foe with harmful emanations, corrupting the atmosphere itself even as they punch hyper-irradiated shot into the flesh of their victims. Should their foes survive the worst of the shooting, critical levels of rad-poisoning may still be achieved by the very proximity of the Skitarii Vanguard, who will look on in silent interest as an enemy that thought the worst was over stumbles, chokes, and dies.

Even vehicles aren't safe:

Vanguard said:
Insects buzzed about them, drawn to the glow of their rad guns, only to pop or dissolve in the baleful energies that suffused the weapons.

[...]

They cut an arc of ruin through the invaders, scorching away iron and flesh with indiscriminate ease, but the vanguard were remorseless in their advance. As one warrior fell another stepped forward to take his place and soon the divine blight of their radium weapons began to take a toll on the xenos tanks. One of the Devilfish slipped out of its evasive dance to drift aimlessly over the dunes. Another’s movements grew sluggish and its fire dropped to sporadic, uncertain stutters.

[...]

While the tanks were impervious to the vanguard’s standard rad carbines, every seventh warrior wielded an antique jezzail rifle that could pierce weakened armour. The structural damage they inflicted was negligible, but every shell was blessed with a killing aura that lingered. A single serendipitous bullet could excise an entire tank crew if it penetrated their cabin.

Their radium carbines can pierce Astartes armor:

Eye of Medusa said:
The skitarii backed away, in no hurry, fear responses dialled right back, pumping Stronos’ plastron with radium rounds. A number penetrated; inbuilt rad-counters clicked like an empty storm bolter, but Stronos didn’t feel it. He didn’t have the flesh vitals in the area to be hurt.

I don't think it will help because they don't need it.
 
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CarlManvers2019

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A process that has a high chance of death and over time deteriorated to have a bunch of weird mutations.
Space marines are just v2 of his super soldier program, good but far from perfect

They were more-or-less incomplete and had genetic defects that may also have been warp-based

The Thunder Warriors also were far from healthy

So this may come with being "mass produced" compared to his Custodes

Which tech would be best to transition them all into Primaris marines without dying on the operating table?
 

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Which tech would say, be able to help mass produce the Marines?

The Empire can make clones, even in short periods of time, and including Force Users including the great many Palpatine ones that popped up (and were sabotaged) in Dark Empire. As well as the mad clone Jorus C'boath creating an evil clone of Luke Skywalker at the height of the Thrawn Trilogy. So replicating Force Abilities wasn't a problem. Plus there were attempts at making superior clones, obviously you have the Clonetroopers patterned after Jango Fett, but Post-Endor there was the attempt by Thrawn at making clones that had his intellect combined with anothers superior physicality (the Gordon Tierce clones) but while it created very intelligent soldiers, it still fell short of Thrawn's original intentions.

Through genetic splicing the Yuuzhang Vong created the Jedi hunting Voxyn, and used cloning to make multitudes of those.

Not sure if any of it would help directly or indirectly with making more Space Marines or their analogues though.
 

CarlManvers2019

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The Empire can make clones, even in short periods of time, and including Force Users including the great many Palpatine ones that popped up (and were sabotaged) in Dark Empire. As well as the mad clone Jorus C'boath creating an evil clone of Luke Skywalker at the height of the Thrawn Trilogy. So replicating Force Abilities wasn't a problem. Plus there were attempts at making superior clones, obviously you have the Clonetroopers patterned after Jango Fett, but Post-Endor there was the attempt by Thrawn at making clones that had his intellect combined with anothers superior physicality (the Gordon Tierce clones) but while it created very intelligent soldiers, it still fell short of Thrawn's original intentions.

Through genetic splicing the Yuuzhang Vong created the Jedi hunting Voxyn, and used cloning to make multitudes of those.

Not sure if any of it would help directly or indirectly with making more Space Marines or their analogues though.

Weren't the original clones made after Jango Fett, defective, due to being made to mature really really really fast?

Though, Boba Fett was different in that he was made to physically mature at an ordinary rate

Oh wait, you're talking about cloning the Astartes themselves rather than candidates to be trained and enhanced into Astartes
 

mrttao

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The Empire can make clones, even in short periods of time, and including Force Users including the great many Palpatine ones that popped up (and were sabotaged) in Dark Empire. As well as the mad clone Jorus C'boath creating an evil clone of Luke Skywalker at the height of the Thrawn Trilogy. So replicating Force Abilities wasn't a problem. Plus there were attempts at making superior clones, obviously you have the Clonetroopers patterned after Jango Fett, but Post-Endor there was the attempt by Thrawn at making clones that had his intellect combined with anothers superior physicality (the Gordon Tierce clones) but while it created very intelligent soldiers, it still fell short of Thrawn's original intentions.

Through genetic splicing the Yuuzhang Vong created the Jedi hunting Voxyn, and used cloning to make multitudes of those.

Not sure if any of it would help directly or indirectly with making more Space Marines or their analogues though.
The imperium can make clones too, it just causes horrible things to happen because their universe is coupled to the warp instead of the force.

Thus the imperium uses harvested sperm and eggs along with iron wombs to create "real people" test tube babies. They can also accelerate their growth to maturity so it takes only a few weeks. This is how most servitors are made

Anyways, it is not a lack of technology but an effect of the verse. transport IOM to the star wars galaxy and they could make clones. Transport star wars into hell 40k and they will quickly learn why you do not want to make clones
 

CarlManvers2019

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Halo is included here, right?


So these guys get corrupted real quick?

Would like to see them accidentally "upgrade" a Techpriest

latest


Into this
 

Husky_Khan

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Halo is included here, right?


So these guys get corrupted real quick?

Would like to see them accidentally "upgrade" a Techpriest

latest


Into this

You need to learn to control yourself sir.
 

Husky_Khan

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The imperium can make clones too, it just causes horrible things to happen because their universe is coupled to the warp instead of the force.

Thus the imperium uses harvested sperm and eggs along with iron wombs to create "real people" test tube babies. They can also accelerate their growth to maturity so it takes only a few weeks. This is how most servitors are made

Anyways, it is not a lack of technology but an effect of the verse. transport IOM to the star wars galaxy and they could make clones. Transport star wars into hell 40k and they will quickly learn why you do not want to make clones

Don't worry, we here in the Star Wars galaxy have been tinkering with Sith Sorcery and Gene Splicing for millenia now. With the Force as an Ally, I can guarantee our clones will work 100% of the time, 60% of the time. (y)

Trust in the Force

Trust in the Dark Side.

Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
Through Passion I gain Strength.
Through Strength I gain Power.
Through Power I gain Victory.
Through Victory my chains are Broken.
The Force shall free me.
 

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