Italy vs. Brazil

[IndyFront]

By act of ROB, several scenarios unfold across spacetime:

Scenario 1: 2024 Brazil vs. 2024 Italy over a fictional island in the South Atlantic, similar to UK vs Argentina over Falklands.
Scenario 2: 2024 Brazil vs WW2-era Italy - modern-day Brazil is transported back in time in old Brazil's place and goes to war against Italy alone.
Scenario 3: WW2 Italy vs WW2 Brazil alone without any of their allies.

Who wins? Discuss

 

[Agent23]

@TheRejectionist

 

[TheRejectionist]

Beh Judàs Iscariotes, didn't expect this in the morning, or at all really. Surprised @Agent23 remembers I am both. SO :

1) Assuming Brazil is hostile to NATO forces, Italy gets help from US and UK and France but the third is more likely because we had multiple spats with the Parisian elite over the Franco-Guyanese (they tried to fund a separatist nativist republic and failed miserably). The Brazilian military might turn on the government (assuming it is a lefty one) and the war is over before it even starts.

2) I don't know if there is even a possibility of ISOTED Brazil to reach Italy or the colonies which are in North Africa and East Africa. Before going to war, the Brasilia government has to somehow convince the armed forces and the populace it is worth to die for Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea and Libya. Lula can convince his electorate, the current army heads even though they are traitorous swine are probably going to ask him how much cachaça he drunk for this dumb idea.

3) You would have to somehow turn Getulio Vargas (a Lula-prototype but socially conservative if you ask some people) a pro-Axis-business fella that the fucking effort is worth it, same thing goes for Italy leadership. Brazil can't win unless in its own turf, because we didn't have the capabilities to reach the Mediterranean ALONE. The same can be said about Italy.




@gral @Sobek

 

[IndyFront]

Beh Judàs Iscariotes, didn't expect this in the morning, or at all really. Surprised @Agent23 remembers I am both. SO :

1) Assuming Brazil is hostile to NATO forces, Italy gets help from US and UK and France but the third is more likely because we had multiple spats with the Parisian elite over the Franco-Guyanese (they tried to fund a separatist nativist republic and failed miserably). The Brazilian military might turn on the government (assuming it is a lefty one) and the war is over before it even starts.

2) I don't know if there is even a possibility of ISOTED Brazil to reach Italy or the colonies which are in North Africa and East Africa. Before going to war, the Brasilia government has to somehow convince the armed forces and the populace it is worth to die for Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea and Libya. Lula can convince his electorate, the current army heads even though they are traitorous swine are probably going to ask him how much cachaça he drunk for this dumb idea.

3) You would have to somehow turn Getulio Vargas (a Lula-prototype but socially conservative if you ask some people) a pro-Axis-business fella that the fucking effort is worth it, same thing goes for Italy leadership. Brazil can't win unless in its own turf, because we didn't have the capabilities to reach the Mediterranean ALONE. The same can be said about Italy.




@gral @Sobek

So what I get so far is that Italy and Brazil are basically stalemated in all scenarios, yes?

 

[TheRejectionist]

So what I get so far is that Italy and Brazil are basically stalemated in all scenarios, yes?

Unless you want to get them ASB tech OR want to behave irrationally like country leaders in the AH of Footprint of Mussolini pretty much stalemated everywhere due to geophysical limitations and both nation being historically fence-sitters until the last minute (Italy entered the war in 1940 and "tried" to "leave" in 1943, Brazil joined in August 1942 and we wouldn't see combat until 1943).

Also both nations have populations that get fed up easily (see all the revolts of Brazil initial history or how the military governments of Brazil always played cool compared to their much more authoritarian neighbours, or wars in Italy in general).

AFAIK, the only countries that in the last two centuries managed to convince large populations to go die in some far ass land are relatively few and have better resources and sea and ocean access to both Italy and Brazil such as : UK but thanks fuck they were isolated and didn't need to worry about invasions and nine out of ten of the populations "conquered"/ "vassalized" were behind years on miltech, France had basically bribed every inch of land they encountered with the exception of Algeria, then you have Japan but they were a totalitarian death cult from 1937 to 1945 THAT might have killed as many as people as Stalin did and in a even more sadistic way (that's my take at least from a superficial reading, considering that record-keeping seemed to be an USSR-speciality and not an "Asian" speciality, especially in Japanese-occupied Asia) then we have the US... a country with military industrial complex that is hellbent on profit over actual proper defence with two accesses to oceans, two relatively submissive neighbours who have no choice BUT collaborate with it and has plenty of resources and a propaganda machine that can turn an entity, person, group and so on from enemy to friend and vice versa in a matter of weeks, months and years.

So basically, after the geographical hassle, you would have to change two mentalities of two relatively historically docile cultures and that's likely as moral integrity in the Italian and Brazilian senates, and the US congress and the house of Parliament in UK.

 

[ATP]

By act of ROB, several scenarios unfold across spacetime:

Scenario 1: 2024 Brazil vs. 2024 Italy over a fictional island in the South Atlantic, similar to UK vs Argentina over Falklands.
Scenario 2: 2024 Brazil vs WW2-era Italy - modern-day Brazil is transported back in time in old Brazil's place and goes to war against Italy alone.
Scenario 3: WW2 Italy vs WW2 Brazil alone without any of their allies.

Who wins? Discuss

Both countries lack Navy to invade other/except WW2 Italy/,so in most scenarios they could not fight.
WW2 Italy - they could invade WW2 Brasil and take few cities,but that would be all.They do not have enough soldiers to capture most of country,and enough ehips to carry them.

 

[Husky_Khan]

It looks like they've had a cease fire since 2013. Sad to see it all fall apart thanks to time travel shenanigans...

Brazil–Italy football rivalry - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Buba]

In support to @Husky_Khan 's contrubition, I add that Brazil will win on penalties.
Had we been discussing Argentina and France then handballed goals would be inevitable.


BTW - I suspect that the quoted "rivalry" is 100% in the heads of the entry's editors ...

 

[TheRejectionist]

In support to @Husky_Khan 's contrubition, I add that Brazil will win on penalties.
Had we been discussing Argentina and France then handballed goals would be inevitable.


BTW - I suspect that the quoted "rivalry" is 100% in the heads of the entry's editors ...

Yeah most likely.

Then again the internet has been a safe haven for degenerates and rootless bastards.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Hey I know what would be a good idea... you'd make this a popularity contest!

A while ago there was this show called The Greatest American and it was basically a dumb popularity contest over who was the Greatest Historical American. Other countries did similar stuff like Britain and Romania and whatever. I don't think Italy or Brazil ever did, which means WE CAN!

You just list the top twenty most famous Italians and/or Brazilians you can think of... using whatever arbitrary metrics you have... and then put them through a series of battles and contests to see which country is superior.

1. TEAM DEATHMATCH

2. 11 v 11 Soccer Game.

3. Both Teams Move Into an American Small Town or Gated Community Homeowners Association and must VIE FOR DOMINANCE BY ANY MEANS NECCESSARY!

Just as examples...

Italy might have the advantage due to like... Romans and stuff and everything since then but I mean... Round Two is a gimme...

 

[Scooby Doo]