What if January 1914 Russia (within its present-day borders) is ISOT'd to January 2022 while January 2022 Russia is ISOT'd to January 1914? What would the consequences of both of these events have been? FWIW, magical, invisible, and undetectable Alien Space Bats are involved in both of these transfers.
January 1914 Russia (within its present-day borders) is ISOT'd to January 2022 while January 2022 Russia is ISOT'd to January 1914
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Well their two totally different scenario's in different universes I assume. Otherwise the move to 1914 by 2022 Russia totally changes what the world would be like for the displaced 1914 Russia to arrive in.
a) Russia 1914 to 2022. - This means the quick end of the Ukraine conflict as the invading forces lose all their support and the nuclear threat to any western support has gone*. Czar Nickolas is going to be very upset at the loss of huge areas of land, including Finland, the Baltics, Polish provinces along with the Caucasus and of course Central Asia. Possibly even more confused that his massive empire is now an even more backward laughing stock for the rest of the world. If he does something stupid to try and 'reclaim' lost lands things are going to get very bad for any Russian forces involved very quickly.
Thinking about it using Russia 2022 borders does that mean those parts of modern Russia outside the 1914 borders, i.e. the Kaliningrad enclave and S Sakhalin and Kuril Islands are still in their 2022 Russian state? Or that their in their 1914 state as parts of imperial Germany and Imperial Japan respectively?
* - Realized this could be wrong. Both because there probably are nukes in the Russian 2022 enclaves if their still in 2022 state and more dangerously any Russian boomers at sea - who have suddenly lost all contact with Moscow - which could be very, very dangerous.
b) Russia 2022 to 1914. - Ugh this would be very nasty. Putin and his thugs are pretty much unstoppable.
Even without nukes he has so many modern weapons, even assuming that his forces in Ukraine aren't brought back. There will be a gradual drop in their capacity because they no longer have access to foreign 2022 tech at all but even with what can be produced in Russia its about a century ahead of everybody else.
strunkenwhite
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I like the 2022 Russia method, seems to fit better with the conceit IMO. They get gobbled of course.
Maybe, but I'm tempted by a rosier outlook. 2022 Russia will have its work cut out for it simply digesting its "new" territory within 1914 Russia's borders as well as trying to adapt its economy to the global situation. It could go further, but to what end? After hauling some ambassadors out to witness the nuking of some uninhabited island or something, all the other powers will have no choice but to accept the new superpower. Russia's tech will degrade while the rest of the world races to catch up, but it will still take a few decades. Maybe a few decades of being sole global superpower will mellow Russia out some. If not, then things will get dicey once the rest of the world starts getting close to catching up. But if civilization-ending nuclear war is averted then I don't think it'll end up worse than our history in the long run; faster development, kill smallpox, polio, etc. earlier, etc.b) Russia 2022 to 1914. - Ugh this would be very nasty. Putin and his thugs are pretty much unstoppable.
2022 Russia can wreck any army in the 1914 world, but doesn't have the manpower to meaningfully overrun the continent. Sigh, unless Putin just decides his entire nation is going to be the world's biggest pirate. I think that poor economist of his would commit suicide on the spot.
Interestingly enough, since 2022 Russia has already finished its demographic transition while 1914 Poland, Ukraine, and Central Asia have not and in some cases have not even really begun theirs, the Great Russian share of the total Russian population is likely to significantly decrease over time in this TL. Of course, Putin might not care since he views Russians and Ukrainians as one people.
1914 in 2022 - thanks to Stolypin reforms,Russia after catching up to rest of world would become economical superpower.
2022 in 1914 - they could nuke world,beat any army,but - they are dying nation which need other countries to produce modern stuff.
For example,they could not produce new tanks,planes or even cars.
So,they could destroy,but not keep what they destroyed.
But,they would gradualy learn to built things again - but,in 10-20 years.By that time,other powers would have 1980 level technology/thanks to people running from Moscov/.
So - they could take Russian Empire lands,maybe A-H later,but that would be all.
P.S Turkey would be easy victim,too.And Manchuria.
They're in the 2022 Russian state and are also sent back in time to 1914.
b) Russia 2022 to 1914. - Ugh this would be very nasty. Putin and his thugs are pretty much unstoppable.
Does Putin conquer as many territories as he can? Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, the Baltics, Poland, Central Asia, the Caucasus, Mongolia, Manchuria, et cetera? Or is he going to stop somewhere? One thing worth noting is that with Russia's demographic potential being destroyed for a long while due to the 20th century in a 2022 -> 1914 TL, Russia is likely to lose its Great Russian majority rather quickly in this TL since it will conquer territories that have not even begun their own demographic transitions while it itself has already finished its own demographic transition.
Sobek
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2022 Russia to 1914 might come off as straight up "progressive" to the 1914 Imperial Russian territories. Using the modern tech they have geared down, even of only to 1940's tech level for ease of manufacturing Putin and the Duma could bribe the fuck out off Imperial Ukraine, Finland, Congress Poland and the central asian territories.
Why stop there lol? Why not also go for Manchuria, Korea, Mongolia, the Caucasus, Moldova, et cetera?
Why stop at all? he knew,that his advantage would not last forever.So,why not destroy and occupy at least major USA,England and Japan regions?
He longed for soviet union - and soviet union want entire world.
But,the same goes for 2022 - China would simply take Siberia,Turkey Caucasus and whatever they liked,even Ukraine and Finland would take their parts.
There would be no much of Russia left when it end.
Poland - we would take Królewiec,and nothing more.
What important - USA would no longer try to made deal with Moscov,so Poland and Central Europe would be safe at least for one generation.
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Ok thanks for the clarification. That makes things a little easier in the 2022 world although it does mean that the Kaliningrad enclave is now 1914 part of E Prussia which will cause some issues with Poland. Also Japan will have S Sakhalin and the Kurils back although they will have to upgrade them.
Putin will want to grab or destroy as much as he can to secure his 'legacy' and what he sees as the continuation of Russian power. At worst as ATP says this could see at least selective nukes and the forced surrender of the US, Britain, Germany, Japan etc as well as seizing lands from other areas. The Turkish straits for instance are definitely going to become Russian controlled and possibly other areas such as Gibraltar and Suez to secure wider access to the world's oceans. How well even with up-time technology his empire could keep those lands in the longer term, over a couple of decades/generations would be a bigger issue.
Putin might try and do some sort of deal with down-time Russian military and populations in parts of the 1914 empire outside the 2022 borders and initially at least some are likely to welcome this, as it would mean a place for them as part of the ruling elite and a greater Russia.