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Culsu

Agent of the Central Plasma
Founder
Distinguished ladies and gentlemen, The Sietch needs a thread to discuss all things that make us rich. Stocks, P2P platforms, ETFs, options - you name it. Since r/wallstreetbets is a riddle to me (all I see is people posting memes and post-facto YOLO stuff), let's get rich together. Or at least a bit wiser... 😉

So, what are you investing in?
 

Culsu

Agent of the Central Plasma
Founder
Silver and real estate.
Real estate really is the most crisis resistant form of investment there is. Rent it out for constant income streams, renovate it and sell it for immediate profit, non-expensively maintain it and hope for rising markets. Unless you're absolutely strapped for cash, you can't go all that wrong with real estate. If I had the money to take out a loan to build or buy something to rent it out, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Silver is a nice "everything goes to shit, but you still have to pay for something" means. Certainly doesn't hurt to have a bunch of coins stashed away. Krugers, Maple Leaves, or Eagles would be my idea (got a few silver Krugers). Just for investment, the yield is less than what you average with a solid ETF over time, but the security aspect is a nice bonus. That being said, silver and gold really jumped during the past four years. I remember I bought my Krugers for less than €16 per coin.

As far as investing goes, I just remembered I financed half of my wedding with gambling in Amazon knockout certificates, lol. I also used to have a small, but diversified P2P lending portfolio spread over Bulkestate, Estateguru, Crowdestor, and Mintos, as well as something like €5000 in two ETFs.

Unfortunately, the house we bought needed a lot more work than we could have anticipated. Then, my wife had the good grace in 2020 to stumble and break both her left foot and her coccygeal bone, which left her on health benefits for close to a year, which cut her pre-tax income down by 30%. And on top of that my car - which I had expected to drive for at least another 5 years - broke down and had to be written off. So there go my investments to make up for part of the costs, and there's the added loan payments to boot. Yay.

So, if any of you have insight into some next STONKS or good ideas for some calls or puts, I'm all game. Could really use the money. 😄
 

Bear Ribs

Well-known member
I too am real estate primary. I do have a small amount of silver set by though I also use it to make stuff so less of an investment there than buying crafts goods. Right now it's too high for it's own good and I'm considering selling it off.

I expect Real Estate is going to tumble sometime around next March to June. Right now prices are higher than they've been in years. The moratorium on foreclosures and evictions ended so a number of houses that were occupied by, basically, squatters are being foreclosed on right now, and eventually those will come to market and drop prices. However, it takes anywhere from three months to a year to get a squatter out (as a landlord this is a perpetual annoyance, people have no idea how much you can lose to a tenant using every delay tactic in the book to glide rent-free for months on end while also destroying the house, and tend to presume landlords are blood-sucking parasites trying to evict honest hardworking folks). As a result, I expect it to be somewhere early-middle next year before enough of them enter the market to seriously drop prices, and then things will change all at once and there will be both a glut of damaged homes for sale and a huge demand for rentals. I'm positioning myself to reduce real estate right now, and be able to buy heavily when the expected drop comes.

I have a nephew who's making bank on Crypto but I have no idea how it works or which ones he's invested in so I'm not touching that market with a ten-foot pole, but somebody savvier in it might also be able to get big profits there.
 

Laskar

Would you kindly?
Founder
What's recommended for someone who is starting out? All the places I've talked to don't want to touch you if you have less than ten thousand in starting cash.
 

Culsu

Agent of the Central Plasma
Founder
What's recommended for someone who is starting out? All the places I've talked to don't want to touch you if you have less than ten thousand in starting cash.
Really depends on your goals. If you are looking for something long-term and low risk with a decent return there's really nothing that beats a low cost All World ETF.
 

Bear Ribs

Well-known member
What's recommended for someone who is starting out? All the places I've talked to don't want to touch you if you have less than ten thousand in starting cash.
For real estate, approach your bank first. People are going to tell you banks are worse lenders than mortgage specialists, and it's true as far as rates, but banks are also much, much more likely to give out a smaller loan, especially to an existing customer. I've personally found banks, especially if you already have an account, are better at wanting long-term customers and thus are more willing to work with you if they think they'll get repeat business out of it so tell them upfront you're thinking of investing in real estate. It's also possible that the bank will, instead, recommend another option if they don't think it's a good fit, they do tend to have people who specialize in investment advisories.

I got my start with my bank willing to loan me 40,000 on a property if I put up 5K as my down payment (wound up more like 7K with all the fees attached). Assuming you've got a halfway decent credit rating (I had about 610 at the time, I'm much higher now but I was starting out), you can get pre-approved with a price limit for a loan, which the bank will want to inspect first. Their appraisal will cost you a couple hundred, most likely, and is the cost of doing business.

Once you have the pre-approval you can start looking at properties, give your real estate agent your price limit and they should stick with it reasonably well. My best advice is: already have a plan on how to sell the property before you ever buy it. Every repair and modification should be made with the thought in your head: "will it sell for more/easier if I do this?" Homebuyers are often very conservative so "cool" stuff that looks good in Better Homes and Gardens won't necessarily pay off. A second major consideration for you starting out is maintenance. At one point I bought three houses at once (Ridiculously low prices at the time, the market was depressed) and then half-killed myself that summer trying to keep six extra yards mowed, squatters away while I fixed them up, and trash from being dumped. Real estate is generally low-risk relative to its payoff and good stability but includes extra work other investments don't.
 

bintananth

behind a desk
I'll second pretty much everything @Bear Ribs said about real estate, especially the parts about going to your bank first.

Mortgage brokers want the large easy stuff because they're paid on commission and the bigger the loan, the bigger the commission cheque.

However with real estate "have a plan to sell it before you buy" doesn't really apply if it's where you're going to live. Things like the neighborhood, school district, expected upkeep, proximity to work, and proximity to things like stores/restaurants/parks/&c. matter a lot more.

Sure, a large farmhouse in the country that comes with a large lot is nice ... if you have lots of spare time and enjoy doing yard work. It is not nice when your daily commute is 70 miles each way during rush hour on top of getting your kids to/from school/daycare. That goes double when a storm just knocked out your utility services because you're at or near the bottom of the list when it comes to getting those back online.
 

ParadiseLost

Well-known member
What's recommended for someone who is starting out? All the places I've talked to don't want to touch you if you have less than ten thousand in starting cash.

I worked at a place that didn't want to touch you if you had less than $500,000.

Quite honestly, you don't need them.

People at investment advisory firms are ABSOLUTELY more knowledgeable than the average person and know how to get better returns, but there are strict regulations on how investment advisory firms can recommend investments, and these regulations don't favor higher returning investments.

Investment advisory firms exist to help older people with businesses that make them hundreds of thousands a year get safe 7-10 percent returns because they already have a lot of money and just want it to safely grow. In other words, they deal in safety and security.

Just learn basic investing concepts like diversification and have a decent understanding of how to tell whether or not a stock will be a good performer. Also check out if your local library has access to ValueLine - some libraries have a subscription to it, and its a $1,700 investing information platform, and its one of the best.

Here are some of my favorite personal tips for alternative investments and revenue streams:

1) Don't ignore taxes. A conversion of $1,000 of taxable income into tax free income has a 20% return from an average person, or anywhere from 10 to 40 percent depending on if you're in a working to upper middle class tax bracket.

2) Invest in IRAs and ROTHs. Everyone should use both liberally. Both have their advantages - IRAs reduce your current taxable income, any money put in a ROTH will NEVER be taxed. You can also convert IRAs to ROTHs, and it can sometimes be very advantageous to do so.

3) If you have the time and live in an area where its possible, create a farm. Do something easy like chickens, garlic, or sweet potatoes.

Indeed, chickens and sweet potatoes are probably the best. You will produce a decent amount of food, easily enough for you to never have to buy eggs or sweet potatoes again, and you can sell the excess.

You can also write off the loss from the farm, and this can be quite tax advantaged.

This is also good if you believe there might be food shortages.

4) If you truly believe some kind of disaster might happen, invest in guns/bullets. In a worse case scenario they are way better than gold or silver.

5) Create a small business where you can make a decent profit and write off some everyday expenses too. Woodworking, plumbing, painting, renovating cheap washers/dryers/whatever you got off of craigslist. You can write off the tools, part of your phone bill and internet bill, some of your home space for inventory if applicable, a computer, whatever. (these can also be helpful if you actually want to invest in real estate - you can develop the skills necessary to do work on your own properties, potentially saving you substantial amounts of money).

6) Self publish a book. What you have to remember is that if its competently written and edited and has a decent story, its better than 95% of what's been written.

In areas like romance, mystery, and thrillers, there is high demand and self publishing is even practically dominant over traditional in those areas.

If you are a decent writer and can discipline yourself to write good quality work in shorter periods of time, the royalties can become a decent investment.

7) Have a good understanding of the time value of money. I can't stress this enough. A lot of people don't properly understand it.
Let me give an example: is it cheaper to buy a car for $6,000, or to borrow $6,000 at 4% interest to buy a car?

The answer is, of course, that it's cheaper to borrow, because instead of paying the $6,000 to buy it, you could invest it at a rate of 10% return quite easily, and then pay down the 4% interest loan.

Or for example, think about the difference between paying for a $90 a month family YMCA membership or spending $20,000 on a pool and exercise equipment. Sure, you own the pool and exercise equipment forever.... but you could get a return of $2,000 a year on that money, which is far more than the $1,080 cost of the YMCA membership.

A gym membership is almost always a great deal if you're actually using it. This is true of a lot of memberships and subscriptions, actually.

8) Become a licensed real estate agent if you plan on investing in real estate; there are significant tax advantages to having a real estate agent license, and you can potentially get some of the money back from a sale if you are representing yourself.



Overall? Focus on creating streams of income that you have control over and that are unlikely to be lost. Be self dependent, and live below your means. Pursue alternative work that provides supplementary income.
 
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bintananth

behind a desk
live below your means.
This is probably the best piece of advice there is because a lot of people have found out - the hard way - that they can't afford whatever it was they were convinced they could afford and should buy until after they bought it.

All those jewelry ads saying here's what expensive shiny thing you should buy your significant other as a present because they deserve it with a bit of we'll help you finance it tossed in for good measure?

They're all lies. The advertisers were hired to say that and the jewler cares far more about getting their hands on what's in your wallet than they do about you.

It's so bad that I've heard radio ads offering "rent-to-own" rims and tires for $9.99/week. Um, do the math on that and you're looking at $1,780/year for something your car has to have just go anywhere without assistance from a tow truck.
 

ParadiseLost

Well-known member
All those jewelry ads saying here's what expensive shiny thing you should buy your significant other as a present because they deserve it with a bit of we'll help you finance it tossed in for good measure?

They're all lies. The advertisers were hired to say that and the jewler cares far more about getting their hands on what's in your wallet than they do about you.

It's so bad that I've heard radio ads offering "rent-to-own" rims and tires for $9.99/week. Um, do the math on that and you're looking at $1,780/year for something your car has to have just go anywhere without assistance from a tow truck.

Oh yeah, jewelry is an awful middle class investment.

Your maximum car budget should not exceed two months of income - is a decent rule of thumb.

I grew up in a very poor family. Most people would be shocked at how far $1200 can go.
 

Culsu

Agent of the Central Plasma
Founder
Linking in to what @bintananth said, if you do have a side business, value your time. If you're not dependant on the income sometimes it's better not to take a gig rather than undervalue your time. I get this relatively often with inquiries for maps where the offered budget wouldn't even amount to the average hourly minimum wage.
 

VicSage

Carpenter, Cobbler, Chirugeon, Dataminer.
I am entirely convinced that Galway Metals is going to become the next memestock, if for no other reason than its OTCMKTS identifier code.

Also diverting just a few hundred a month adds up quickly. You don't need to have all three of the major streaming services, or constantly buy everything you can think of on Amazon. Subscription based services as a whole are like that really, you'll forget that you're spending them if you aren't using them regularly, and there's only so many hours in the day (especially after work). Cutting out junk foods also does a lot to reduce the spending. It just takes a few, very small things to reduce your expenses by a non-trivial amount.
 

bintananth

behind a desk
I am entirely convinced that Galway Metals is going to become the next memestock, if for no other reason than its OTCMKTS identifier code.
That is a very good reason to stay very far away from it.

Also diverting just a few hundred a month adds up quickly.
It doesn't have to be hundreds per month. Just a few unspent dollars and change every day really adds up.

You don't need to have all three of the major streaming services, or constantly buy everything you can think of on Amazon. Subscription based services as a whole are like that really, you'll forget that you're spending them if you aren't using them regularly, and there's only so many hours in the day (especially after work).
*applause*

Cutting out junk foods also does a lot to reduce the spending. It just takes a few, very small things to reduce your expenses by a non-trivial amount.
I completely gave up caffeine and lost weight. I also had to start eating more because I was wasn't drowning in stupidly unhealthy amounts of sugar and losing weight as a result.
 

Bear Ribs

Well-known member
However with real estate "have a plan to sell it before you buy" doesn't really apply if it's where you're going to live. Things like the neighborhood, school district, expected upkeep, proximity to work, and proximity to things like stores/restaurants/parks/&c. matter a lot more.
Gonna disagree. A couple of times in my life I've been very glad I followed that principle, even for houses I expected to stay in forever. You never know when the local government will go insane (This happened to me in California) or other local conditions change like an intolerable neighbor with the loudest dog in the world, or a drug dealing moving in (This happened to me recently, though fortunately the police busted things up before the neighborhood was completely shot.)
 

bintananth

behind a desk
Gonna disagree. A couple of times in my life I've been very glad I followed that principle, even for houses I expected to stay in forever. You never know when the local government will go insane (This happened to me in California) or other local conditions change like an intolerable neighbor with the loudest dog in the world, or a drug dealing moving in (This happened to me recently, though fortunately the police busted things up before the neighborhood was completely shot.)
You are not most homeowners. Buying a house is typically something someone does at most once a decade and might only ever do once if at all.
 

VicSage

Carpenter, Cobbler, Chirugeon, Dataminer.
Not a single word. It is pure speculation, based on absolutely nothing, and with zero input from that source of all degeneracy that is Plebbit.
 

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