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IT's the "all right wing is the same" thing that's been going on....And what relation does Pinochet have to American ideological conservatism?
pinochet is the throw commies out of helicopters guy
IT's the "all right wing is the same" thing that's been going on....And what relation does Pinochet have to American ideological conservatism?
American Conservatives, and most or all other western conservatives for that matter, have no need to 'own' anything Pinochet did. Last I checked, he was a dictator, and thus had very little to no overlap with the political ideals America was founded on.
I think that on the merits, the CCP isn't running any version of communism at the moment. The system more closely resembles facism. This could change in the future.
You cannot separate modern China from that past, so it's still appropriate to condemn its evils and ills as the natural fruits of Communism.
Okay, I'll be very blunt:All I'm hearing is "Comparing us to literally anyone who would make us look bad is prejudiced but also you guys are all the same"
Your mistake here is engaging realm as a serious poster, and not a troll with his panties in a wad.Okay, I'll be very blunt:
I say the generalization being used on the 'right-wing" side of this argument is correct because Communists self-identify as possessing common ideological elements, and we on the "right wing" side of the argument have our issues with those common elements. "Is communist, therefor believes X" is self-admitted by very nearly every communist group, and the X is where we take issue. "Is communist, therefor by definition has a belief we disagree with".
The "Right Wing" is defined by a range of beliefs and actions, rather than a specific set. The "Right Wing" includes holdouts from as far back as one cares to mention, twists from any line of reasoning one wishes to dream up, members from every culture in the world, because it's a relative label based on the results of majoritarian political systems forcing ideologies to bloc-up into a diarchy of "Left" and "Right" for basic governance to be accomplished.
Communism is a specific ideological label, with shared precepts as a fundamental part of being Communism due to shared origins. The "right wing" has no such specificity, instead being a description of the overall sphere of human beliefs, based moreso in the historic patterns of cooperation and shared actions rather than any ideological factors one might attempt to isolate.
There is no "heart of the right" you can say you hate. There's no belief you can definitively declare you have issue with that's actually universal to the "right". Because the label of "Right Wing" is a post-facto label. The point of origin of the term was the literal physical seat positions during the French Revolution dividing the Monarchists on the president's right and the Revolutionaries on his left, setting the original meaning as "traditionalist". And yet we have the Nazis, assailers of virtually every aspect of German tradition and who'd taken a number of concepts directly from the Progressives of their day, considered "right wing".
Your mistake here is engaging realm as a serious poster, and not a troll with his panties in a wad.
This is why I do sort of like having a few commies around here, their stupidity and fervor for defending thier failed ideology is endlessly amusing.
Okay, I'll be very blunt:
So cliff notes, Communists are defined by shared ideological vision, that shared portion being both worthy of derision and also worthy of ignoring any differentiation, whereas the right is a range of visions that preclude any collective designation, derision and refusal to believe differentiation is worthwhile, yes?
Pray tell the consistent communist ideological vision that provides such a quality
The consistent ability to proclaim pursuit of a better way of life, but instead commit atrocities.
That's the capitalists dear
And it's this absolute refusal to learn from history that has communists alternately mocked or hated, depending on how close to power and their next round of butchering millions they are.
The differentiation is utterly irrelevant you dense fuckwit! Because the reason for the common criticism is SPECIFICALLY the commonalities, the differences are not of importance.and also worthy of ignoring any differentiation
So, my lack of "working memory" and shitty attention span makes it really damn hard for me to answer this question clearly, compounded by my inability to articulate my views because of needing to puzzle over wording.Pray tell the consistent communist ideological vision that provides such a quality
See, this is the problem with Conservatives, they think others actually care which specific Conservative clique they run with.
This is very ironic at most 10 posts off how "Pinochet has nothing to do with American Conservatism" despite his direct connections to American neoliberal economic doctrine, support from American Conservatives and on the forum that went to bat for him a month after founding
I've seen far more of your folks calling for murder than mine, but I suppose it's the subconsious desire to murder entire political groups rather than the directly stated goals that do it, huh.
The core issue, to what I can describe, is the notion of economics-by-collective. That ideological "seed" is expressed in a wide variety of ways, but ultimately falls prey to indecision, demagoguery and/or incompetence. There's ways to solve particular issues, but with the economy decided by "collective", you always have some form of that issue somewhere along the line.
Security of food and water is such a distant issue to them that they put a higher emphasis on avoiding predatory corporations than avoiding dying of starvation and disease. That is what the GMO "debate" is. Supposedly-low-quality food at supposedly-ridiculous prices or simply not enough of it at all.
Other Conservatives do. We are well aware that the raving left do not.
Now I'm going to be honest with you, I think I know why you hate the man why your so pissed off.
Because of one simple fact, he did to communists what comunists do to every one else.
Theres a lesson in Pincochete and its one that should scare you and its this, that polite society? Those social norms and insistutions you hold in such distain? They protect you, and maybe you should respect them.