Plausibility check- Could France & French Indochina have been disinterested in Laos, crisis with Siam, and common border with British Burma?

raharris1973

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Laos was the last, least populous, and least valuable piece added to French Indochina, and had basically been tributary provinces of Siam beforehand.


1893 Franco-Siamese crisis - Wikipedia



Before 1893 it was shown on maps as part of Siam, and French Indochina, at least since the French victory over Vietnam and China in 1885, showed French control over the coastal strip of Vietnam, and a slightly truncated version of Cambodia.

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After the Siam Crisis in 1893, which saw French blockade of Bangkok and threats against Siam, some British counter-deployments against the French, and Wilhelm of Germany eagerly watching and hoping the two would fight, and then disappointed when they did not, France expanded the borders of its Cambodia protectorate a bit at Siam's expense, added what were later known as "the Central Highlands" to southern Vietnam, which were ethnically more montagnard than Vietnamese, and took over Laos as a protectorate within French Indochina.

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After the map above, France gained some additional Cambodian border land, and Laotian border land west of the Mekong.

Given that, for all the colonialism France did, colonialism was criticized a lot as a distraction, and unapologetic, colony-firsters (like Ferry) didn't last long in office and got a lot of rhetorical heat in French domestic political debate, is it possible that Paris and its men on the spot just don't really push forward against Siam in the 1890s? Or if they do, the French just use is it to round out Cambodia and southern Vietnam (which frankly, in the first map, looks like it is getting "cartographically dry-humped" by Siam), but leave Laos alone and with Siam, and call it a day? They should know enough by the 1890s that the upper Mekong isn't super navigable that far or a great trade route or host to market of consumers who can pay for anything or have anything useful on their land. Building a railway from Hanoi to Kunming should do the trick for the "back door" into China for trade nicely enough.

If that happens, what are the 20th century consequences for the second Sino-Japanese War, WWII era, and French Indochina Wars and any sequels in the Cold War, with Laos essentially being an increasingly connected frontier region of Thailand? One effect is a continuous Chinese-Siamese and later Chinese-Thailand border.
 

raharris1973

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Presuming the OP proposed scenario happens, France leaves the Laotian territories Siamese, and it merely adds some buffer territories of the eastern Bolovens Plateau, the Central Highlands around Pleiku, Kontum, An Khe and Da Lat to southern Annam, the world significance should be minimal for decades.

However, an opportunity to alter international war and diplomacy occurs in 1940, after the fall of France in Europe, the establishment of the Vichy regime, and Japan's browbeating of Vichy to accept a Japanese occupation force in Tonkin in September 1940, the northermost of its colonies in Indochina, to ensure the supply route formerly used to supply the Nationalist Chinese is shut down.

In OTL, this visible humbling of French Indochina was followed by a Siamese renaming of itself to Thailand, and a long postponed war of revenge against the French to reclaim lands lost to the French in 1893 and 1907. In the ATL, without comparable territorial losses to France in those times, nor as severe a crisis in 1893, there is simply not nearly enough for Thailand to be gained in terms of territory or lost honor by declaring war on France knowingly irritating Britain, the USA, and the France they may eventually help revive.

Factions in the Thai government more wary of Japan , having a common border with the Japanese occupation force, ever-growing, in Tonkin, may have more influence relative to OTL, and advocate for a more pro-Chinese and pro-western policy, as against the substantial pro-Japanese factions.

So, the winter 1940-41 Thailand-French-Indochina War would not occur.

Japanese imperial interests, and opportunities after the start oof Barbarossa ties down the USSR, would still encourage the Japanese to occupy the remainder of French Indochina, so the subordinate administrative divisions of Annam, Cochinchina, and Cambodia, where the Japanese would set up garrisons, naval, and air bases threatening targets around the South China Sea. This would prompt the USA to freeze Japan's assets and place an oil and financial embargo on Japan.

The US in OTL did export some aircraft to pre-war Thailand and trained some pilots and exported other arms which it used, very briefly, in OTL for 12-24 hours, to decent effect against the Japanese. The US knew it was competing for influence in Thailand with the Japanese in OTL, as the Thai had opportunistically attacked the French being hobbled by the Japanese. The British who had decades earlier attached some Thai territory to Malaya, distrusted the Thai more. In the ATL, without the Thai having attacked the French in Indochina, the USA may bet even more on the Thai.

In the most optimistic case, this means the Thai keep fighting the Japanese and do not surrender to them when the latter invade on December 8th. The Thai resist for more than a day. The Japanese still would seize their objectives in the Kra Isthmus, to enable taking the invasion of Malaya to proceed on schedule, and the populated areas of Thailand and Bangkok would be overrun in less than a week with the main Thai forces defeated, but in thick jungles and grasslands of northern Thailand, including Laos, things may be a little slower going for Japanese forces, who may be more tired and attrited by the time they reach northern Burma. Also, the Thai King and key government figures and some forces may be able to escape north to fight on from China's Yunnan Province. The net effect of this additional friction on the Japanese operational plan for 1942 is the Allies may still hold some of northern Burma, including area adequate to build a Ledo road to China, at the end of the year.

I think this most optimistic case is not the most likely. I think that while in the ATL, the Thai might fight for two days or three instead of one, they would capitulate to the Japanese, and switch sides, rather than accept exile and abandon their country and palaces. There may be renegade Thai units who go off retreating into the northern bush in the direction of China and Burma however, and the Japanese still have a bit more ground to cover before they get to northern Burma, possibly leaving that Ledo Road, and safer northern Burma air corridor open. This is what I would call the most likely, middle range case.

A less likely case, but certainly still possible, is that Thailand behaves in as pro-Japanese, anti-French and anti-Allied a manner as OTL. It does the war with French Indochina, over the Vietnamese borderlands. It does just its day or half day of resistance before surrendering to Japan, and switching to the Axis side, and then it exploits its Axis membership to reclaim territories previously lost to the British. At the same time, Thai diplomats abroad play a double game, those based in Britain and America denouncing the home country decision, proclaiming themselves pro-Allied Free Thai, maintaining home contacts, and encouraging readiness to switch sides again when the tide in their neighborhood turns pro-Allied. These secret contacts during the war enabled Allied intelligence collection, and at times allowed Thai officials, evading the eyes of the Japanese, to hide downed Allied airmen and spirit them out of the country.
 

raharris1973

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Alternatively, this scenarios differences in the Siam-Indochina border may not make much difference to Siamese-Thai foreign policy right before and during Japan's launching of the Great Pacific War.

Sort of like in the last paragraph in the post above, Thailand may start to gravitate more toward Japan as it begins to project more power toward Thailand's neighborhood, and humiliates the French by forcing them to accept the occupation and supervision of French Tonkin. This, in addition to defeats in Europe, would have been dimming the prestige of France and Britain. Thailand may, like OTL, still have its border war over France, even though the size of its revanchist border claims on French Indochina is much smaller, no Laos, but some of the Central Highlands/Bolovens Plateau of Annam, and some border districts of Cambodia.

Thailand, like OTL, goes over to the Japanese after a mere 24 or 12 hours of resistance to Japanese advance/occupation. But throughout the war, it keeps some contacts with the Allies, and manages to convince the USA to restrain British desires for punitive treatment postwar [this all occur in OTL WWII and postwar].

The substantial divergences from OTL begin appearing only in the next war, the French Indochina War, which begins with isolated instances of fighting and skirmishing between British, liberated French, and repurposed surrendered Japanese troops in postwar British occupied southern Indochina in 1945 (south of the 16th parallel in Cochinchina, southern Annam, and Cambodia) against the Viet Minh, and later in northern Vietnam (north of the 16th parallel, in northern Annam and Tonkin) in 1946 between the better ensconced Viet Minh and redeployed French troops who arrive in mass to Tonkin's Red River delta upon the evacuation of Chinese Nationalist occupation troops.

The French command under Admiral D'Argenlieu in 1946 is determined to reestablish French colonial supremacy over Vietnam and Cambodia in its pre-war borders and essential pre-war characteristics. Negotiations from the French side were playing for time while positioning reinforced forces. The Viet Minh were trying to negotiate independence, however caveated and qualified, and to exert effective de facto political power, while cache-ing arms throughout the countryside and building up forces and informant networks in readiness for French attempts to completely crush their movement and reinstall the pre-war colonial regime.

The Viet Minh also provides support for a smaller, less significant, less ideologically sharply defined Free Khmer independence movement, providing material assistance, tactical and organizational advice, and ideological education. Since Laos is not a component of French Indochina, this timeline lacks the Lao Issara ("Free Lao") movement that OTL turned into the Pathe Lao movement closely aligned to the Viet Minh, DRV government, and VC/NLF.

The Laotian provinces are being increasingly included and integrated in Thailand's national infrastructure and development plans hatched in Bangkok for its northern interior in the decades after the war. The outbreak of the French Indochina War, and the Communist takeover of China only heightens concern in Bangkok which had existed since the encroachment of European colonial powers and the Japanese, about security of the northern interior frontiers.

France is unable to defeat the Viet Minh, but is able to hold strategic ground in Indochina through the late 1940s. The rise of the Communist government in China is a great boon for the Viet Minh, provided a secure source of steady cross-border aid and sancturary for the Viet Minh from late 1949 onward. However, the French are able to persist in their counterinsurgency effort, buoyed by a USA willing to dig deeper into its pockets to fund anticommunist struggles in Asia after the "loss" of China to Communism, and ready to increase support even more after the outbreak of the Korean War. France's overall recovery from WWII, aided by its own efforts, general European recovery, and Marshall Plan aid, also helps fund French forces in the field, and increasing numbers of noncommunist Vietnamese and Cambodia troops.

After the end of the Korean War in 1953, France is likely to tire of the Indochina struggle within a year or two. And whether or not its Indochina war wraps up, by some point in '54, '55, or '56, in all likelihood a rebellion in its Algerian department would likely emerge and command priority attention and resources and compel a conclusion of the Indochina effort.

One detail would necessarily be different about the French Indochina War endgame however. The climactic battle would not be fought at Dien Bien Phu, right at what is in this world, the Vietnamese/Indochinese - Thailand (Laotian provinces) border. While the Viet Minh at various points can get away with tactically and logistically "borrowing" Thai territory, they cannot count on setting up siege lines on Thai territory or risk emplacing precious artillery assets in Thailand where a concerted (although time-consuming and difficult and resource intensive) Thai campaign could undermine their position and its security.

It is likely that a battle similar to Dien Bien Phu is fought in some other valley within the "Viet Bac" region of northwest Tonkin, Vietnam, a little further east, or the French are simply induced to settle by overall, generic attrition via frontline combat along the perimeter of the Red River delta, guerrilla and terrorist attacks penetrating within the delta, other attack and attrition amounting to a siege and counter-siege of the central Annam cities of Hue and Da Nang and Quang Tri, fighting in the Annam Central Highlands, and ineradicable guerrilla warfare in the deepest interior portions of the Mekong Delta.

When a negotiated solution is made, the parties agree to temporary geographic regroupment/partition zones, with the Viet Minh securing the land north of the 17th or 18th parallel, and the French and their client monarchical "State of Vietnam" securing Vietnam south of that latitude line. The Viet Minh also evacuate their "Free Khmer" allies from Cambodia, leaving local independent governance to the French appointed Prince Norodom Sihanouk.

The concept in the peace accords is that "regroupment", involving mandatory movement of military forces, and voluntary movement of civilians, will be followed by all-Vietnam elections two years later.

The southern regime, ruled by Ngo Dinh Diem, after he ousts Emperor Bao Dai, refuses to hold all-Vietnam elections, alleging the northern election would not be free, and would yield a monolithic result dominating the whole control using the north's larger population numbers.

After the Franco-Viet Minh Accords ending the Indochina War, the US would also work to create a formal pact to contain Communist expansion in Southeast Asia, the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO), including the USA, Britain, France, Australia, New Zealand, Pakistan, and importantly, among states local to the region, the Philippines and Thailand. While not extending a NATO article 5 commitment, the SEATO articles note it views the maintenance of peace and security in Indochina and its states, Vietnam and Cambodia, as a grave concern and cause for mutual concern and cooperation. There is no consensus among the SEATO allies however to extend an invitation to South Vietnam and Cambodia to join, because France and Britain read those states joining alliances as contravening the letter and spirit of the Franco-Viet Minh peace accords.

With the one additional potentially interested country, South Vietnam, being excluded for diplomatic and international legal reasons, no other countries the USA might have liked in SEATO are interested in SEATO membership. Burma and Indonesia are uninterested, indeed offended by the bloc's existence, and committed to a Nonaligned stance. Cambodia is also committed to neutrality and often employs nonaligned rhetoric. While Malaysia, and later, Singapore and Brunei, find themselves more attuned political and especially economically with the west, they see no reason to join the military alliance bloc.

Repression and rebellion, aligned with the Communists and given direction by them , flares up in late 1950s South Vietnam, and North Vietnam begins gproviding gradually increasing support from an initially low base, starting with redeployment of "regrouped" cadre from the south who had settled in the north after the armistice with the French.

In the early years, the VC/NLF insurgency escalates quite a bit in the early 1960s, and maximizes its use of southern manpower and resources, with additional cadre and materiel infiltrated in by land and sea. The higher the level of US aid to South Vietnam, especially introduction of large formations of US ground troops, ends up requiring infiltration of more men and materiel from the north to keep up the pace of operations.

A key differing factor in this TL's Vietnam War, or Second Indochina War, compared to OTL's is that there is either no Ho Chi Minh trail, or a much more limited one, running through the Laotian provinces of Thailand (that were simply Laos in OTL) and any North Vietnamese ground activity and infrastructure that rises to significant level will be constantly contested by Thailand army forces.

This could put a ceiling on the growth of infiltration trails and routes and movements of men (and vehicles) at a low level altogether, that could badly pinch the Communist ability to escalate, and then later sustain, high optempo fighting, once US forces do extensive operations to interdict maritime infiltration.

Communist Vietnamese coping mechanisms to this limitation could be to simply keep the conflict simmering at a lower level of intensity for longer, while awaiting cracks in US-South Vietnamese relations, or within South Vietnamese politics for opportunities to escalate military or political assertion, even though this means not having near-term victory as closely in sight.

Alternatively, it could lead to faster shift from rural guerrilla warfare to spectacular urban attacks to attempt to inspire general uprising, embarass the Americans, and wear away at US support for the US war effort. Pushing toward Tet harder and faster, with less. I would regard this as a riskier approach.

Or they could do something basically akin to OTL's approach, but try, possibly with Chinese, and perhaps Soviet assistance, to overcome and distract and shake Thai forces away from the border region by more generously supporting the armed guerrilla forces of the Thai Communist Party and operations it is attempting in any and all parts of that country. This might include, if politically and tactically useful, voicing support for Lao ethnic autonomy under Communism. The basic aim here would be to claw away Thai ground operations from the border area to allow the North Vietnamese to set up something like a Ho Chi Minh trail, to allow more robust infiltration and maneuver of North Vietnamese units into South Vietnam.

That itself is potentially vulnerable to Thai Communist proxies of any ethnicity not being up to tasks expected by Hanoi, or Thailand being resilient to the pressure and being capable of mobilizing to guard its frontier regions well with its own forces, or, as a last resort, inviting US forces operating in northern Vietnam to conduct joint operation in the Vietnam-Thailand border region against penetrating North Vietnamese forces and Thai Communist forces they are working with, at a time when it may still be politically viable within the US, for the US to do so. Cross-border American (and South Vietnamese) operations from Vietnam, at the invitation of an allied Thailand, would be non-controversial internationally, and much less controversial domestically, when compared with cross-border operations into a publicly, yet only fictionally, neutral country like Laos was in OTL.

There is also the chance that neutral Cambodia under Sihanouk may still choose OTL's version of "neutrality" and allow sanctuary for Communist Vietnamese forces on his territory and resupply for their forces through Sihanoukville port. But it is significantly less likely if prior US-South Vietnamese-Thai cooperative action is preventing North Vietnam from defiantly and effectively scaling up its escalations in response to US escalations in South Vietnam and along its borders.
 

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