Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2

"Oafish" is the wrong word. People are ANGRY that Biden sold us out to Ukraine over even our own country which was struggling with a national disaster in North Carolina and California at the time. People are MAD. Imagine if your Prime Minister - during a time when the UK was hit by a fucking hypercane or some shit and killed countless people and destroyed homes and livelihoods - sent ALL the money that could've been going to Britain to fucking Honduras or some shit. You'd be pissed would you not? And Zelenskyy's behavior was clearly motivated by TDS.
Husky said it already but to add on, everything sent to Ukraine has been almost entirely monetary value not actual money. Eith the majority of actual money coming to the US for increased domestic production.
Add in presidential draw down etc.
None of it could be used domestically..
 
This website is being overrun with Democrat agents, running fierce interference for the Democrat party and the Biden Regime. I, for one, will not be engaging with them anymore.
If you think that the people pointing out the truth about how money was actually being dispersed, instead of just the meme tier 'we sold out NC for UA' crap, you have no real idea what is a Dem agent and what is just someone who does actual pay attention to details, instead of memes.
 
If you think that the people pointing out the truth about how money was actually being dispersed, instead of just the meme tier 'we sold out NC for UA' crap, you have no real idea what is a Dem agent and what is just someone who does actual pay attention to details, instead of memes.
Oh you too huh? *Ignores*
 
This website is being overrun with Democrat agents, running fierce interference for the Democrat party and the Biden Regime. I, for one, will not be engaging with them anymore.

Imagine if you got into an argument with an actual Leftist and how easily they could make you look like a dumb-dumb in front of a NPov audience instead of our relatively safe space here.
 
Oh you too huh? *Ignores*
Foreigners are also Democrats infiltrators? just to know if my english suddenly improved to native level? You can tell, i would be proud to see my mastery of Jefferson idiom grow enough to twist words as a Socialist.

(And honestly Sietch is not a Democrat lairs, we may have our disagreement, coming from different places/religions/countries/continents/ethnics/civics, but it is quite diverse beyond the USA centrality)

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I really don't see the problem anyway saying there is a lot of corruption in the Pentagon and Congress.
(and that Ukraine package is not exactly a clean affair).
I may not understand the argument.
What i know for Sure is that when Germany-France-Belgium among others pledged assistance ot Ukraine in forms of Currency, the fact they don't produce anymore significant weaponry increase the price of weaponry compared to before the War.
Which is a perverse mean, that they did not pledged X tons of daily Shells or vehicules but instead a Fiat fluctuating value.
 
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Because Ukraine can buy stuff, since the US is now wanting money.
Add in that Sweden and other Nordic coutnri3s seem to be heavily investing by sending aid still unlike most of West Europe.
France thiugh has also sent a lot of weapons, fucking Mirage aircraft
 
Lavrov, the Russian Foreign Minister, today announced Russia's "new" conditions for ending the war:

▪️ Ukraine is not joining NATO, it must be "demilitarized" and "denazified";
▪️ The annexation of Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia receives international recognition;
▪️ Sanctions are lifted from Russia, frozen assets are returned to it;
▪️ Russia rejects US proposal to transfer control of Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant to Washington and Kyiv;
▪️ Laws restricting the use of Russian language, culture, and church are repealed in Ukraine.
 
Lavrov, the Russian Foreign Minister, today announced Russia's "new" conditions for ending the war:

▪️ Ukraine is not joining NATO, it must be "demilitarized" and "denazified";
▪️ The annexation of Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia receives international recognition;
▪️ Sanctions are lifted from Russia, frozen assets are returned to it;
▪️ Russia rejects US proposal to transfer control of Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant to Washington and Kyiv;
▪️ Laws restricting the use of Russian language, culture, and church are repealed in Ukraine.

You forgot to mention this is Lavrov's UNCONDITIONAL Ceasefire proposal.



 
Because Ukraine can buy stuff, since the US is now wanting money.
Add in that Sweden and other Nordic coutnri3s seem to be heavily investing by sending aid still unlike most of West Europe.
France thiugh has also sent a lot of weapons, fucking Mirage aircraft
> EU gives ukraine a bunch of money
> Ukraine uses it to buy military hardware from USA
> We pay off our national debt

kek. my sides
 
Lavrov, the Russian Foreign Minister, today announced Russia's "new" conditions for ending the war:

▪️ Ukraine is not joining NATO, it must be "demilitarized" and "denazified";
▪️ The annexation of Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia receives international recognition;
▪️ Sanctions are lifted from Russia, frozen assets are returned to it;
▪️ Russia rejects US proposal to transfer control of Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant to Washington and Kyiv;
▪️ Laws restricting the use of Russian language, culture, and church are repealed in Ukraine.
Aight, just give the Ukrainians enough weapons to turn their country into the Russian Army’s graveyard. Because until it runs out of soldiers to throw into the meat grinder, or gets a regime change, it seems Moscow will not act sensibly.
 
Letters of Marque for the Russian shadow fleet might make Putin think a little harder about his countries pocket books.

Cannot sell oil at sanctions-evading prices, if your shadow tanker fleet is captured under Prize Rules.
 
Letters of Marque for the Russian shadow fleet might make Putin think a little harder about his countries pocket books.

Cannot sell oil at sanctions-evading prices, if your shadow tanker fleet is captured under Prize Rules.
Te current admin won't do that
 
Te current admin won't do that
Not immediately, but I think that if it comes from Congress instead of Trump, it could change things.

Lindsey Graham is ready to get a bipartisan secondary sanctions bill going, if Russia doesn't play ball.



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I very much appreciate @POTUS @realDonaldTrump and his team working diligently to end the war in Ukraine — that was created by Putin's barbaric invasion — in an honorable and just way.

As to additional sanctions on Putin's Russia, I have bipartisan legislation with almost 60 cosponsors that would put secondary tariffs on any country that purchases Russian oil, gas, uranium or other products.

The Senate stands ready to move in this direction and will do so overwhelmingly if Russia does not embrace an honorable, just and enduring peace.
 
Some of Lavrov demands are not that crazy. a few thousands kilometers, protecting russian speaking population. Russian assets are not usually those of the Government of Russsia or the ministers eithers, so quite reasonable partly.

However demilitarized Denazified Ukraine is insane.
Furthermore Ukraine under 20 years old population in 2050 will be half or even less than what it is currently, they won't miss the land, not really, for the individuals. Unless they gain a nice supplement of Sudanese migrants.
 

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