*We* will not move anywhere. I will not fulfill any your troll request for source or evidence, considering the clear alignment of those you always provide, not worth bothering. I will remain where i am, pointing at the fact that you are spreading bullshit from anti-western states on this forum, as you are their sympathizer, pox upon you.
Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2
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History Learner
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I have been able to back up everything I said. If you feel I have not, I'd be happy to provide it but I'd also ask you to please back up your numerous claims of fact that you haven't done so yet. I asked a very simple question: you state Zelensky fired him twice, please provide me sources of that. Given he was Minister of Interior, that should be easy to do, since that's a high level post in Ukraine.
Why are you afraid to do so?
Poe
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History Learner may be sympathetic to Russia, but from what I can tell he's BTFO every single accusation you've made and made it seem like you are pulling a lot of things out of your ass. It would help your argument and your painting of him as a sympathizer to prove you're right about anything here. Otherwise, why even continue arguing with him if you don't care enough to show anyone that you're right and he's wrong?
I've just posted a nice screenshot from the twitter of his choice for sourcing, and a site of his sourcing, and explained why the guy in question is not really trustworthy, to which he spammed wikipedia at me, specifically the parts that don't make him look untrustworthy.
I argue with him because everyone else is done and i cannot let this propaganda left unmocked.
I'm not afraid. I'm just done answering your requests and demands for sources, consider that the end of your quota for this year, you abused the last year's too much. Sue me.
Yes, provide it and explain how that makes him trustworthy
But we all know what you want to do.
History Learner
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Actually, I posted both of those and when you objected as to their reliability, I then linked to the original video posted by the Ukrainian News Channel video so you could see it wasn't taken out of context.
Video in a language i understand in less than half, and you most likely even less. So much good for evidence of what was said in detail. Clearly we can read lips in all languages, amirite?
History Learner
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Except the video, as I already pointed out to you, has a translation feature so you could listen to it with subtitles? Or, failing that, you could take the transcript and run it through the translator of your choice. If you wanted a text based translation I would've provided it, but you didn't ask anywhere until now.
History Learner
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I'm not afraid. I'm just done answering your requests and demands for sources, consider that the end of your quota for this year, you abused the last year's too much. Sue me.
Yes, provide it and explain how that makes him trustworthy
But we all know what you want to do.
I see you added this to your post, so I'll respond with a new one.
I already have done that. Your insinuation of him being a Russian asset solely consists of him getting a pardon under Viktor Yanukovych in 2013, while ignoring that was done at the behest of the European Union and the Polish President. He then, in order:
- Became a key leader in the EuroMaidan protests.
- Was nearly beaten to death in the protests, which resulted in mass demonstrations starting in January of 2014 that directly lead to the ousting of Yanukovych in February.
- Then served throughout the Poroshenko Administration.
- Briefly served under Zelensky before being removed for working with Trump against Biden.
- Joined the TDF in early 2022 during the war and served until the Summer of 2023, when he was removed because of disability.
- Was personally promoted by the Commander in Chief of the AFU
Scanning through what I can of news articles about him, I can't even find the allegation he's a traitor by anyone in Ukraine itself, which begs the obvious question of how you know sufficiently to claim he is. So I've repeatedly asked you to provide your proof of this since you are clearly at liberty to discuss it. I personally know some AFU guys, if you provide clear evidence I'd even pass it along to them just to prove the point.
Who made those subtitles? Is that someone trustworthy (as in more than you, considering your choice of sources i know the result already).
However, i stumbled upon something:
According to this, this is fictional translation sourced from Russian state media.
Even google translate of the video you linked on youtube doesn't contain this quote, however untrustworthy or not, the guy was talking about mobilizing 500k, not casualties.
History Learner
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The video is on YouTube on their official channel, so that should be self-explanatory on the translations as well as clearly show his statements are not made up by Russian state media. As for the quote, it is indeed in the video; I can give the relevant time stamps if you insist it's not.
As for the claim itself, he is directly talking about the proposed bill to mobilize to 500,000 to replace losses, and the 30,000 a month figure he cites is in that context. I said earlier to Strunken I had more to bring to the table but I wanted to wait to ask you more questions first. My question is, would a currently serving Ukrainian official of a high rank be a credible source to you?
Yes, i know you are a fan of twisting quotes as much as Russian propagandists themselves, but sorry, i refuse to participate in your stupid game attempt.
Show what you have, fuck off if it's shit, it probably is though, so i will not encourage it.
However, the numbers given are surprisingly coincidental with Ukrainian mobilization plans to allow rotation of troops, as the guy speaks for context for few minutes before the timestamp you have given, with the plan to demobilize those who served for 18 months, which would add up with the need to mobilize 500k as replacement troops.
He states that he wants Zelensky to reveal the casualty figures, but that would kinda be besides the point if he had them himself and was revealing them in the very public video.
Also both your India source and vatnik source claimed the 500k is casualties, not mobilized, so nice of you to throw your sources under the bus for the sake of a more defensible word twist.
The entirety of the first few months of fighting was solely due to the Ukrainians will. No globalist meddling then. Ukraine wants to be free.
Does Russia do Captain diffrent then? A platoon would be an LT
Ex-Soviet countries give officers lesser command for the same rank than western ones.
They along with Vanguard are getting involved though? There are a number of articles about it. The Ukrainians dying won't need that property afterall. Shocker that yet another globalist led shit show is about profits and certain interests. How long before they import a million africans who hate them? Diversity is ((our))) strength afterall🤢
That's wierd and a way to demean the officers
Stop using the fucking (()).
They are helping thr Ukrainians rebuild what has been lost.
So far there has been ko evidence Blackrock is buying up swatches of land from Ukraine. Neither has Vanguard.
Import Africans? Probably never because Zelesnky is focusing on rebuilding Ukraine for Ukrainians as thier identity.
But hey, you are stuck in your ways of thinking people fighting fir freedom from the Russians is them fighting because globalist are forcing them.
Zelesnky could have left and had his people forced to fight.
Majority if Ukrainians WANT to fight.
That's called projection amigo. Ukraine isn't the one recruiting Africans to work manufacturing and service industry jobs, then conscripting them into the army. That's Russia. There are actually people who won't fold, abandon their principles and kowtow to an invader. That's a you problem. Unlike your effeminate vocal minority groups drowning your political scene with their screeching. The rest of the world take patriotism, sovereignty and freedom seriously enough to kill and die for. Especially when the Soviet Block ei Russia and China are involved.
Part of it lack of trust, part lack of professional NCO corps which leads to low ranked officers doing their jobs. Ukraine was slowly shifting to the western system before the war but the war didn't wait and such institutional culture changes can take decades.
Speaking of diversity, why is no one talking about Putin going full late stage Roman auxilia?
Putin is trying to entice foreign nationals with the offer of Russian citizenship to help him fight against Ukraine
Should fighters meet the criteria, not only will they gain Russian citizenship, but their spouses, children, and parents will also be granted the same privilege.
Note that's from official Russian state media.
Visa-free agreements with all African countries.
Those are levels of anti-racism unseen even in Canada and Schengen zone.
It is insane how bad no nco Corp can be for a nationPart of it lack of trust, part lack of professional NCO corps which leads to low ranked officers doing their jobs. Ukraine was slowly shifting to the western system before the war but the war didn't wait and such institutional culture changes can take decades.
Speaking of diversity, why is no one talking about Putin going full late stage Roman auxilia?
Unfortunately for them, it's not even limited to cannon fodder:Putin is trying to entice foreign nationals with the offer of Russian citizenship to help him fight against Ukraine
Should fighters meet the criteria, not only will they gain Russian citizenship, but their spouses, children, and parents will also be granted the same privilege.fortune.com
Note that's from official Russian state media.
Visa-free agreements with all African countries.
Those are levels of anti-racism unseen even in Canada and Schengen zone.
No, the people in charge of western (((institutions))) is clear so i will continue to do so.
Here, i had several but the sietch wants to eat my posts, if you want more, the usual suspects are all over it.
So you think a globalist puppet won't do globalist policies and choke on girl cock? That's a bold strategy cotton, think you need actual Ukrainians left for that.
I don't give a shit about their reasons for fighting or what they want personally, it's irrelevant to pointing out who is benefitting from the mess. Funny how one group of people will benefit the most in the end, might call it a (((cohencidence))) even🤔
I do believe this is called Karma. They were gloating last year about us freezing without Russian gas. Well Moscow oblast is freezing from the city suburbs to surrounding towns. They are without power. Turnabout is fair play. I hope they enjoy freezing. 12:20 they're having to turn their furniture into firewood