Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2

[AmosTrask]

I'll let an active Air Defence soldier summarize the arguments against the people who disagree with sending equipment overseas.

 

[Marduk]

I'll let an active Air Defence soldier summarize the arguments against sending equipment overseas.

It's just dumb people and propagandists talking to who they consider dumb enough people throwing around numbers without understanding what's behind them for the consumption of said dumb people. North Korea has an insane amount of tube artillery, but that obviously in no way means they have the more powerful army than USA - it's just covering for the fact that what they have is utterly craptastic and one gun of a normal army is effectively worth 10 or 20 of theirs. But to people with as much brain as average bureaucrat in a joke a crappy gun with less than 50% chance of hitting few square kilometers of an island is made equal to guns that can one shot kill point targets, and so are the shells used for both, because a gun is a gun, and a shell is a shell, and it's easier to know basic math than basic math and world military technology standards.

It's not something to be proud of that they produce so much of crap they produce, it's still crap, and they have to rely on said crap. WW2 production figures for fighters are absolutely insane compared to modern ones, but fortunately no one is retarded enough to claim WW2 air forces were more powerful and would wipe supersonic jets out of the sky with their sheer numbers.

 

[Bacle]

 

[AmosTrask]

It's just dumb people and propagandists talking to who they consider dumb enough people throwing around numbers without understanding what's behind them for the consumption of said dumb people. North Korea has an insane amount of tube artillery, but that obviously in no way means they have the more powerful army than USA - it's just covering for the fact that what they have is utterly craptastic and one gun of a normal army is effectively worth 10 or 20 of theirs. But to people with as much brain as average bureaucrat in a joke a crappy gun with less than 50% chance of hitting few square kilometers of an island is made equal to guns that can one shot kill point targets, and so are the shells used for both, because a gun is a gun, and a shell is a shell, and it's easier to know basic math than basic math and world military technology standards.

It's not something to be proud of that they produce so much of crap they produce, it's still crap, and they have to rely on said crap. WW2 production figures for fighters are absolutely insane compared to modern ones, but fortunately no one is retarded enough to claim WW2 air forces were more powerful and would wipe supersonic jets out of the sky with their sheer numbers.

Yes. I also corrected my wording. The soldier was supporting giving away all that equipment . . . So the military could finally buy their new replacements or upgrades. I love that Russia is boasting about supersonic missiles. But Uncle Sam believed their claims in the mid 2000s so much, that there is a RIM missile(now in full service and mass produced since 2018) designed specifically to intercept a supersonic maneuverable missile. . . Which it turns out Russia never had, their missile is a supersonic take off missile but it can't maneuver once it reaches that supersonic speed. The USAF is currently the only force with fully supersonic missiles, with mass production of Gen 1 slated for 2025, probably later with the Covid delay.

By that point Gen 2 will probably be finishing its prototype testing.

On a lighter note here's what Southeast Asian redneck tractor racing looks like.

 

[Bacle]

For those who think it is just the Russian leadership that are enemies of the west.

 

[Bacle]

No I didn't lol. I'll repost for your convenience.

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Somehow got distilled into this...



I can get the initial wording can be confusing but the leap of logic and strawmanning over semantics is hilarious.

"Did you rob the victims body after the murder? Then you are involved in the murder."

"WHAT? I DIDN'T MURDER ANYONE! That's false equivalence bullshit Hitler! Retards! Moron! Nazis! Reee!!1""

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"You provided alcohol to the teenagers who got raped? Then you are involved in the rape."

"I'm not a rapist. That's false equivalence bullshit Hitler! Retards! Moron! Nazis! Reee!!1"

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I literally clarified that it was involvement, not equivalence in my first response, hence semantics and then he brings up some iPhone nonsense and goes to town invoking Hitler and Nazis and Retardation for retarded reasons. It's a great example of the high level discussion that takes place here when I made it clear I was stating "involvement" as in being "involved." Not equivocating anything lol.

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Stating you are involved in something isn't the equivalent of stating you are doing the thing. This should be obvious but alas... the Child Pornography Defense Brigade is out in force today lol.

Notice how some posters love to try to create off-topic arguments in this thread, usually about sematics or such, and try to divert attention away from what Russia is doing to Ukraine.

Some of the same folks also talk big about 'fighting degeneracy', yet support the nation with one of the highest HIV rates in the world, the nation that uses rape as martial punishment for troops, and which has a record of providing safe-haven for pedo's trying to flee from the West.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Notice how some posters love to try to create off-topic arguments in this thread, usually about sematics or such, and try to divert attention away from what Russia is doing to Ukraine.

Some of the same folks also talk big about 'fighting degeneracy', yet support the nation with one of the highest HIV rates in the world, the nation that uses rape as martial punishment for troops, and which has a record of providing safe-haven for pedo's trying to flee from the West.

Also noticeably less religious than Ukraine but this is being claimed as Putin leading some Trad Christian counter-revolution against multiculturalism and secularism in Ukraine with the backing of his state controlled Church and the pet Patriarch leading it. I remember posting in one of the other threads how the honorable Colonel Douglas MacGregor was stating Putin was representing White Conservative Christians against the Polyglot Ukrainians and their backers.

EDITED with correction:

 

[Husky_Khan]

National guard member defects to Russia

A former USAF serviceman and Holyoke City Councilor reportedly joined Putin's military in Ukraine after fleeing the US amid child pornography charges.

www.newsweek.com

Yet another pedo defected to Russia... How many is that in total?

Anyways investigating this CIA Sting I went on the Internet and used this thing called a search engine to find some of the court documents.

Here's the original charge... apparently it was more then "Trust me Bro" and actually stuff from his phone... and from what he said allegedly.

Some police statements.

An overall Police Narrative in the Court Documents

And finally he also got hit with obstruction of justice and Forgery and Counterfeiting for allegedly trying to cover up his crimes in regards to his US Air Force career. It reads like he impersonated a military official and sent a fraudulent memo using someone elses identity.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Left-coalition candidate won the Slovakian Presidential election by ten points over his pro-Western rival.

Slovakia elects new president amid divisions over Ukraine war

Russia and Ukraine a key point of contention between two leading candidates who went into the election neck and neck.

www.aljazeera.com

The office of the President in Slovakia is largely a ceremonial role but is being interpreted as support for Prime Minister Fico's Leftist Pro-Russian Coalition government.

South Korea will be offering $2.3 billion in donations to support Ukraine in the medium and long term.

South Korea to donate $2.3 billion to Ukraine

South Korea will provide Ukraine with a medium and long-term aid package in the amount of $2.3 billion starting this year. — Ukrinform.

www.ukrinform.net

I quoted you as I read it. You also made a post on the same topic right before mine, so you can hardly whine about me continuing to derail the topic when you've done so yourself.

Actually the post right before yours was on topic. I'm sorry that the wall of text was too burdensome for you to read. I know you've expressed dismay at such posts before but I couldn't find a YouTube video that explained everything. But please continue talking about how your annoyed with child pornography laws (the discussion which was moved to an actual derail thread) instead of talking about the guy who defected to Russia to fight in Ukraine due to child pornography charges and failing to understand the difference between the two topics.

 

[AmosTrask]

What a delusional dimwitted man Medvedev is. He's calling for a kill order and bounty on NATO troops in Ukraine. That includes the hundreds of observers and military liason officers we currently have on site learning Ukraine and Russian combat tactics and strategies.

Dmitry Medvedev wants 'maximum reward' bounty for NATO troops in Ukraine

In a social-media outburst on Thursday, Medvedev advocated for a "no prisoners taken" approach with NATO troops if any were to be deployed in Ukraine.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Husky_Khan]

What a delusional dimwitted man Medvedev is. He's calling for a kill order and bounty on NATO troops in Ukraine. That includes the hundreds of observers and military liason officers we currently have on site learning Ukraine and Russian combat tactics and strategies.

Dmitry Medvedev wants 'maximum reward' bounty for NATO troops in Ukraine

In a social-media outburst on Thursday, Medvedev advocated for a "no prisoners taken" approach with NATO troops if any were to be deployed in Ukraine.

www.businessinsider.com

He seems like he's really trying to show how good of a rabid attack dog he is to curry favor even though his political career is basically stalled out.

 

[AmosTrask]

He seems like he's really trying to show how good of a rabid attack dog he is to curry favor even though his political career is basically stalled out.

He has no career Putin owns him. Even if Putin dies, the blackmail material will go to Putin's man in the KGB. He's not even in the running for successor. There are 15 people after Putin between Medvedev and the crown of Tsar

 

[Bacle]

Today, RussiaNoContext channel published a video from the phone of the Russian military, who filmed the first consequences after the explosion of the Kakhovka hydroelectric power plant and rejoiced at this act of ecocide against Ukraine.

As a reminder, the terrorist explosion of the Kakhovka HPP was carried out by the Russian occupation forces, the Russian Federation military from the 205th Separate Mechanized Brigade, at about 2:50 am on June 6, 2023.

This war crime resulted in a large-scale environmental disaster. On the day of this tragedy, #OSINT researchers of the international intelligence community InformNapalm conducted preliminary estimates of the scale and stated (t.me/informnapalm/1...) that the environmental and economic consequences of the destruction of the Kakhovka HPP for Ukraine can be equated to the consequences of using tactical nuclear weapons of 5-10 kilotons. According to the Geneva Convention (Article 56 (ips.ligazakon.net/document/MU770...) of Additional Protocol I of 1977), the destruction of dams is a war crime and can be equated to the use of weapons of mass destruction.

Video from inside the Russia unit that blew Kakhovka Dam, showing the destruction just after the blast.

 

[AmosTrask]

Video from inside the Russia unit that blew Kakhovka Dam, showing the destruction just after the blast.

Well, looks like they're not censoring that anymore. The Official Russian statement is that the Ukrainian artillery blew up the dam.

 

[ATP]

Well, looks like they're not censoring that anymore. The Official Russian statement is that the Ukrainian artillery blew up the dam.

Normal soviet propaganda,they did the same during WW2 - only american press supported their lies then.
Notching changed on Moscov side,only USA do not support them now.

And,about Medvedev chances for crown - 15 people could die,right?

 

[ATP]

Compilation from polish press:

1.Rafał Brzeski,polish specialist in secret services,claim that when all secret states use blackmail,soviets are masters in using it for their goals.
And they use now,instead of classical spies,rather popular people who openly support Moscov point of viev.

2.Dmitrij Pieskow,Putin tool,claim now that Poland was either part of Russia,or Russia enemy - which mean,that he want to attack Poland.
Putin pet philosopher,Alexander Dugin,claim the same.
Putin in his speach to little Carlson said basically the same - we must be at best vassals.
And, he welcome Germany to another agreement over Poland corpse.
Which is idiocy,he would finish germans next.

3.Once soviets cenzored polish books - for example,soviet ambassador Aristow blocked Stanisław Srokowski novel "Repatianci"/Repatiants/ about poles banished from their lands by soviets.

Now,Ukraine is doing the same - they tried to block his another novel,Nienawiść/Hate/ about UPA genociding poles.At least 10 publishers say no,before he found one honest finally.

4.Igor Isajew,ukrainian pederast supporting jews keep attacking Poland - it seems,that dude is soviet agent.


5.Moscov could not win on Ukraine - so they want to start new wars in Moldavia,Kosovo and maybe Bosnia.And,they would have bodies to throw into it - they built new training centers/ would 9 in next year/,now they could train 25.000 per month,soon it would be 40.000,and in next year 80.000.

So,they could win using their old method of buring enemies by dead soviets.

6.German tool,Tusk slowly become Germany-Moscov enwoy - bad for us,but germans would die,too - Partition happened,becouse german tsar ruled in Moscov,not KGB.And those dudes want entire Europe.

7.Ukrainians before WW2 dreamed about Great Uraine from Caucasus and Don to San,and maybe even Cracow.Now,all they want is part of Poland.

 

[Marduk]

Another "genius" from Biden admin caught in the open, spreading leftist idiocy on how to wage war:

I think they want their next source of green energy to be LeMay rolling in his grave.

 

[ATP]

Another "genius" from Biden admin caught in the open, spreading leftist idiocy on how to wage war:

I think they want their next source of green energy to be LeMay rolling in his grave.

Another proof,that demorats never wanted Ukraine victory.And,what they really want is another deal with Moscov,like in 1945.

 

[Sir 1000]

Another proof,that demorats never wanted Ukraine victory.And,what they really want is another deal with Moscov,like in 1945.

Correction the people in charge of the Democrats never wanted that, they want what's going to happen in the coming years (ethnic replacement and everything not owned by the Russians in the hands of western capital) no matter what the people there think. They made a deal with the mafia in charge of the west and are going to see firsthand how the people in charge of the west treat they're friends.☹️

 

[Bacle]

A prominent CCP Russian-studies prof from Peking University laying out why he thinks Russia cannot win this war, and will not keep any territory in the long run, nor will it end with a Korean DMZ style situation.