Warhammer Ten Warhammer Versus Matches as Suggested by 40K Theories

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It was originally produced a few years ago by the Warhammer Lore Channel 40K Theories as they made the video to persuade the company Screw Attack to include Warhammer characters into their Death Battle series.


Here were his suggestions...

1. Warmaster Horus versus. Darth Vader

2. Captain Titus of the Ultramarines (from the WH40K Space Marine Game) versus. Marcus Fenix (Gears of War)

3. Hive Tyrant versus Alien Queen

4. Angron versus. The Incredible Hulk

5. Commissar Yarrick versus. Nick Fury

6. Space Marines versus. Halo Spartans

7. Sigmar versus. Thor

8. Phoenix Lord Jain Zar versus. Kerrigan, Queen of the Zerg

9. Drazhar, the Master of Blades versus. Zeratul, the Dark Templar

10. God Emperor of Mankind versus. Superman

So... I'll be honest, some of these look like no brainers, but with crossover matchups it's as much about the fun of analysing these things as it is determining the final result. But while I think the obvious matchups are obvious, I am curious as to what y'all think of these ten matchups. And I'll be honest, I have no idea on the Eldar characters so I dunno there.
 

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Despite my lack of knowledge of Warhammer 40K I feel comfortable in answering these...

1. Warmaster Horus versus. Darth Vader
Seems like it'd be a pretty clear victory for Warmaster Horus yes? Primarchs are pretty high up in there in the power scale and while Vader is good, and despite any EU/Legends or Disney canon buffs he got (which are impressive btw) he seems like he'd be rather easily overpowered by Horus.

2. Captain Titus of the Ultramarines (from the WH40K Space Marine Game) versus. Marcus Fenix (Gears of War)
It'd be an interesting couple of minutes but I just see Captain Titus with his jump pack descending from the heavens with that giant Thunder Hammer and eventually making Marcus Fenix explode. Fenix ain't no slouch and I'm sure he'd pwn any number of baseline Human and Human level foes from 40K but that Space Marine Captain is well above him in displayed capability.

3. Hive Tyrant versus Alien Queen
Hive Tyrant I'm guessing?

4. Angron versus. The Incredible Hulk
Another Primarch so it might be an interesting fight but the Incredible Hulk has some extreme feats in the comic books. Might be more competitive or even a Primarch win perhaps if it was the cinematic version.

5. Commissar Yarrick versus. Nick Fury
Nick Fury!

6. Space Marines versus. Halo Spartans
If it's a vanilla Ultramarine type I might actually give it to the Halo Spartans who despite their inferior physical armor and firepower on average I feel would be able to outfight the generic Space Marines on a tactical level being more Special Forces focused and the like.

7. Sigmar versus. Thor
Unless I'm missing something dramatic about Sigmar, I think Thor would make his skull explode.

8. Phoenix Lord Jain Zar versus. Kerrigan, Queen of the Zerg

9. Drazhar, the Master of Blades versus. Zeratul, the Dark Templar
No idea on the Eldar matchups.

10. God Emperor of Mankind versus. Superman
I would assume Superman, though the God Emperor's psyker abilities might exploit one of Supermans few but infamous weaknesses. I'm really not sure. But even if the God Emperor's psyker abilities are potent against Superman, so is a perennial Superman foe like Black Adam who uses magic and even those fights tend to be drag out brawls at best for Superman. Still... outside of high end ratings of Superman, it might still be competitive but overall I'd give the nod to Superman, unless the God Emperors millenium of experience can give him some insight in this matchup.
 

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I would assume Superman, though the God Emperor's psyker abilities might exploit one of Supermans few but infamous weaknesses. I'm really not sure. But even if the God Emperor's psyker abilities are potent against Superman, so is a perennial Superman foe like Black Adam who uses magic and even those fights tend to be drag out brawls at best for Superman. Still... outside of high end ratings of Superman, it might still be competitive but overall I'd give the nod to Superman, unless the God Emperors millenium of experience can give him some insight in this matchup.

The Emperor doesn't necessarily need to fight fair or actually fight him to begin with

If weaker people can hurt Superman with his weaknesses

Then so can The Emperor, he may go off and take kryptonite and red-sun-radiation tech and lay a trap for him that SOMEHOW Supes doesn't notice even with all his senses because somehow Supes' conveniently not using them
 

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40K wins in all categories except Angron against the Hulk and maybe Sigmar against Thor.

Angron will do well early on but Hulk has punched planets out of their orbit (yeah comics are weird).

Sigmar is a god in the proper sense of the word and I don't really think it'd be really comparable. Unless you mean Sigmar the man before he supposedly ascended to godhood. If so and if he's welding Ghal-Maraz, there's a chance but honestly Thor would most likely take it.

I have to disagree with @Husky_Khan in particular that the Spartans would defeat any Astartes, even a standard battle brother. They're usually between eighty to a hundred years or more when they become a full battle brother. Their experience will tell and they would be just as fast/strong if not more so than a Spartan. Particularly with their bio-engineered abilities such as spiting acid, quick blood clotting etc. Their armour, while not completely proof against it, can save an Astartes life against 40K plasma weapons which are far more potent than any of the Covenant plasma weapons.

Eldar Pheonix Lords are the original Exarch warriors who started the various warrior shrines. They're essentially suits of armour that possess whoever wears them, subsuming the wearer's mind with their own (absorbing their skills in the process). They are the epitome of their shrine's martial prowess and they're probably the next closest thing to a Primarch in martial prowess and ability. I'd wager a Primarch would still win but it'd be a close run thing. You'd have a being who's multiple tens of thousands of years old fighting against the pinnacle of warpcraft and bio-engineered science.

Hive Tyrant would win, particularly if it has ranged weapons.

Yarrick would win, he has a laser eye and an Ork power klaw.

Drazhar. No questions asked. He's effectively a Dark Eldar Pheonix Lord.
 

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If it's a vanilla Ultramarine type I might actually give it to the Halo Spartans who despite their inferior physical armor and firepower on average I feel would be able to outfight the generic Space Marines on a tactical level being more Special Forces focused and the like.
I don't know exactly what you mean by special forces focused, but a firstborn Marine would have fought in the scout company for decades at least, as a recon/infiltration/ambush specialist. A post Indomitus Primaris would also have cross-trained eventually in a Vanguard force, which are covert ops specialised formations.
 

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I have to disagree with @Husky_Khan in particular that the Spartans would defeat any Astartes, even a standard battle brother. They're usually between eighty to a hundred years or more when they become a full battle brother. Their experience will tell and they would be just as fast/strong if not more so than a Spartan. Particularly with their bio-engineered abilities such as spiting acid, quick blood clotting etc. Their armour, while not completely proof against it, can save an Astartes life against 40K plasma weapons which are far more potent than any of the Covenant plasma weapons.
Experience doesnt work like a video game.
Acid spit is completely irrelevant unless the Spartans are unhelmeted, in which case they get domed.
Plasma weapons in 40k, and Astartes resistance to them, is completely inconsistent.

Recall that there is at least one occasion where a fucking shotgun penetrated Astartes armor.


I don't know exactly what you mean by special forces focused, but a firstborn Marine would have fought in the scout company for decades at least, as a recon/infiltration/ambush specialist. A post Indomitus Primaris would also have cross-trained eventually in a Vanguard force, which are covert ops specialised formations.
We see many space marines acting very much like they've never even heard of a scout, much less being recon-specialists.
 

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Where did I say experience functions that way? When I say experienced, I mean they've been subjected to more combat and war than the Spartans are so they'll be more experience with their equipment, what it can and cannot do. They'll know tricks, have skills that the Spartans won't know or be capable of matching. In one of the books, you'll have to forgive me for not remembring which one in particular but a marine asks a newly inducted battle brother if he's able to tell exactly how many bolts are in his magazine from the weight of the gun. Considering the power armour and natural strength of a space marine, being able to tell that kind of a difference in weight is incredibly impressive an ability to have.

Spiting acid that can potentially damage any part of a spartan's armour and/or visor. Would their shields block it? In the Blood Gorgans book, two Chaos Marines use their acidic spit to chew through thick, heavy metal bars so they can escape captivity.

40K plasma weapons are mostly unique in Sci Fi as when most Sci Fi weapons generate plasma, they turn or are reduced to a plasma state, not like 40K plasma which is on the same scale as the plasma of a star. It's rare for 40K marines to survive direct plasma strikes, usually it's either character shields, actual shields like a rosarius or they get significantly wounded/armour damaged from a passing plasma shot.

Do you mean the 40K shotguns carried by neophytes which are probably four or two guage at the absolute least? Or like Soul Hunter when several squads of Arbites hosted a singled Night's legs with shotgun fire which barely even slowed him down?

Where have space marines never heard of scouts? Usually when they reach the status of battle brother, with the exception of the Raven Guard, most space marines don't rely too heavily on stealth simply because they're in power armour which makes stealth incredibly difficult. If you want stealth though, look at the Deathwatch. They're often quite covert that their targets usually don't know they're there until it's way too late.

Space Wolves are unique in that their scouts tend to be their more experienced troops but that's more the exception to the rule in regards to how the rest of the other chapters do things.
 

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Where did I say experience functions that way? When I say experienced, I mean they've been subjected to more combat and war than the Spartans are so they'll be more experience with their equipment, what it can and cannot do. They'll know tricks, have skills that the Spartans won't know or be capable of matching.
You implied it by suggesting it was at all relevant. You clearly have no idea how "experience" works if you think theres some kind of linear scaling involved. 100 years of experience is not 2/3ds better than 30 years of experience, for example. The diminishing returns are staggering and practically exponential.

Spiting acid that can potentially damage any part of a spartan's armour and/or visor. Would their shields block it? In the Blood Gorgans book, two Chaos Marines use their acidic spit to chew through thick, heavy metal bars so they can escape captivity.
Got it, your space marines have no helmets and are trying to close to literal spitting distance. Dead.


40K plasma weapons are mostly unique in Sci Fi as when most Sci Fi weapons generate plasma, they turn or are reduced to a plasma state, not like 40K plasma which is on the same scale as the plasma of a star. It's rare for 40K marines to survive direct plasma strikes, usually it's either character shields, actual shields like a rosarius or they get significantly wounded/armour damaged from a passing plasma shot.
None of this has anything to do with anything. Are you well?


Do you mean the 40K shotguns carried by neophytes which are probably four or two guage at the absolute least?
A two gauge shotgun would not penetrate 6mm steel armor. A one gauge shotgun would not penetrate 6mm steel armor. 6mm Steel armor is considered insufficient today.

God I just always forget how little people know about guns.

Where have space marines never heard of scouts? Usually when they reach the status of battle brother, with the exception of the Raven Guard, most space marines don't rely too heavily on stealth simply because they're in power armour which makes stealth incredibly difficult. If you want stealth though, look at the Deathwatch. They're often quite covert that their targets usually don't know they're there until it's way too late.
Golly, gee, I dunno, maybe every single visual showing? I seem to recall the most famous visual battle in Warhammer history being literally a platoon of space marines charging out screaming into an open field, out of cover, like retards, into machine gun fire, where they are all more or less unceremoniously cut down.
 

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You implied it by suggesting it was at all relevant. You clearly have no idea how "experience" works if you think theres some kind of linear scaling involved. 100 years of experience is not 2/3ds better than 30 years of experience, for example. The diminishing returns are staggering and practically exponential.
You'd possibly be right in most mundane situations but when you're a space marine who's deep striking into enemy positions that vary from human, Ork, Tyranid etc, all of that does build to a wide variety of experiences that a spartan couldn't hope to match and that lack of experience is going to leave them at a disadvantage. When I say they're more experienced, I'm explicitly stating that they're going to have encountered more tricks and scenarios than the spartans have and will be able to react in a far superior fashion than the spartans will to them.

Got it, your space marines have no helmets and are trying to close to literal spitting distance. Dead.
I used acid spit as an example of a trait or ability they possess that the spartans wouldn't.

None of this has anything to do with anything. Are you well?
Wut? You make a decidedly strange statement about plasma weapons in 40K being inconsistent, which I'll admit to a degree that they are. Plasma weapons in 40K tend towards lethal and ridiculously lethal after I compare Covenant plasma weapons to be wholly inferior to 40K plasma weapons. They'd probably be on par with Tau pulse weapons and unless you've got a squad of Tau Firewarriors focus firing on a single marine, the marine has a very good chance of surviving.

A two gauge shotgun would not penetrate 6mm steel armor. A one gauge shotgun would not penetrate 6mm steel armor. 6mm Steel armor is considered insufficient today.

God I just always forget how little people know about guns.


Okay, I didn't word my response properly but yes, 40K shotguns are of a heavier gauge and are more likely to be a lot more lethal in every regard. Marine weapons tend to be oversized and often beyond what a regular human can effectively use unless it's bolted onto something. Yeah, unfortunately we don't have the first amendment here so my real life experience with guns are limited to what I pick up here and there but I'm trying to go by what I've read in the fluff.

Golly, gee, I dunno, maybe every single visual showing? I seem to recall the most famous visual battle in Warhammer history being literally a platoon of space marines charging out screaming into an open field, out of cover, like retards, into machine gun fire, where they are all more or less unceremoniously cut down.
Ah yes, because the DoW1 intro movie is certainly a 100% accurate depiction of how space marines would actually fight and not just made to look like a cinematic spectacle. Just like when it first came out, every time I've watched it, I flinch at the breaking voice of the marine who yells "Incoming!".
 

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Okay, I didn't word my response properly but yes, 40K shotguns are of a heavier gauge and are more likely to be a lot more lethal in every regard. Marine weapons tend to be oversized and often beyond what a regular human can effectively use unless it's bolted onto something. Yeah, unfortunately we don't have the first amendment here so my real life experience with guns are limited to what I pick up here and there but I'm trying to go by what I've read in the fluff.
Well shooting people with a pump action diet Punt Gun would have a deleterious effect on most man and Space Marine sized beings unless the armor they are wearing is thick and/or dense enough to absorb all of that kinetic energy the big slugs would deliver on impact even if its just an upscaled bore type of deal. If the shotguns are upscaled in the quality of the projectile and velocity or whatever then of course that'd make it even bettererererer.

Sigmar is a god in the proper sense of the word and I don't really think it'd be really comparable. Unless you mean Sigmar the man before he supposedly ascended to godhood. If so and if he's welding Ghal-Maraz, there's a chance but honestly Thor would most likely take it.
I was assuming it was Sigmar prior to Godhood which is why the matchup seemed unbalanced to me on the face of it. I haven't read any particular Sigmar lore yet in Warhammer Fantasy but I've read a fair bit of Warhammer Fantasy lore in general and so far I haven't seen a power scaling comparable to Marvel's Thor in most cases. Maybe if it was MCU Thor it would be closer in competition.
 
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