The Problem with Meritocracy is the 'ocracy'

JagerIV

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A blog post helped clairfy my thinking on the nature of the problem. This seems to be one of the issues "the right" is dealing with. I don't have any solutions either. But, I think this at least to some degree clearly highlights the issue.

"Liberal technocrats give us literally no reason at all to think their interests are aligned with the great majority of people, yet when they are attacked as a governing class they stress their credentials and competency. But it’d be worse if they’re doing bad stuff efficiently! "

"Though commentators sometimes speak of the old WASP gentry as an earlier era’s national elite, they were not really so: they were the business, cultural, and political elites of one region of America. They ruled the roost in New England and the Mid-Atlantic states. During the WASP heyday these states had greater economic and demographic heft than other regions in the nation, and so families with names like Roosevelt, Adams, and Lodge had an outsized influence on national politics and culture. But those families were not competing against the best and brightest of the entire nation: they were competing with each other. Texas’ best and brightest did not strive to get into Harvard—they strove to get into Baylor. They were generally satisfied to be Texas elites, and if they operated on the national stage they tended to think of themselves as such.

Perhaps the old upper crust of South Dakota lacked the merit of today’s globe-trotting elites. Perhaps the current bunch are more intelligent politicians and more efficient administrators. Maybe they are the better neurosurgeons. But here is what they are not: more committed to the interests, culture, and people of South Dakota. A pure meritocracy undistorted by existing class cleavages will distort the nation it is inflicted upon. Deciding who rules and who is ruled through a system which selects on a narrow field of virtues inevitably leads to one outcome: an aristocracy of the meritorious few who do not have the experience or the inclination to act in the interests of masses less virtuous than they."
 
Having read through the article, I'm not quite grasping what precise problem is being addressed here, or what the solution is.

Are nominally meritocractic systems open to influence from money, connections, etc? Yes.
Is there any viable way of eliminating those influences? No.
Is there some other, better system would be be using? Also no.
 
Its a bit of a slippery thing, which I don't think were used to thinking of, which is why its given me difficulty to really nail down. The problem is still a bit waffly, and the solution totally unadressed.

The issue being hit upon I think goes with a few statements:

1) Even if Hillary Clinton really was a brilliant politician, I do not want to be ruled by her.
2) Even if the Chinese are IQ superior, I do not want to be ruled by a ruling class that's 90% Chinese.
3) Even if putting an AI in charge of the government would be more efficient, I would oppose it.

Or, it could be framed as somewhat of a rebellion against two ideas, more or less unstated, that however seem to be partially imbedded in the idea of the meritocracy:

1) Effectiveness grants a right to rule
2) Effectiveness is the critical element to determine who should rule

These once again are subtle, unstated things, but seem to be real implied assumptions. I'm not sure if the issues with this are old, or a fall out of a break down in culture, as things that were assumable are no longer assumable. The best summaries of the issue I can articulate right now are

1) Self rule.
2) Loyalty.

The Meritocracy, at least as it manifests, seems to be infringing on both: the betters assert their authority to "nudge" and otherwise control the inferiors, and the loyalty of the meritocracy increasly comes into question. I'm wondering if, for example, some commitment to self rule and a loyalty to the right things used to be taken as an assumed, so you were just selecting the most effective loyal liberal person.
 
Well, one can contest they really are fit to rule. Knowing things is not the same as understanding things, people often have a poor understanding of their competency, and credentials don't mean anything if they actually can't verify things they are supposed to verify. The Big Schools for instance are just glorified diploma mills, where rich kids network and get a piece of paper that justifies their existence so they can get jobs they are not qualified for nor deserve. I don't think we really have a meritocracy, we might have had a partial one in the past, but it is just an oligarchy now. And, yes I am arguing that the author is wrong about the Ivy League Schools, the people who get in by merit are just the window dressing to legitimize the rich kids.

And this also assumes that moral worth is not also part of merit. Or listening to the people and their desires and properly addressing them is not part of excellence in governing. Again I look to the classical definition of Aristocracy that people here seem unable to comprehend- being worthy is not just your honors or qualifications, but your honor, your virtue, your internal goodness. To be worthy to rule, whether as a monarch, as a hereditary "aristocrat", an oligarch, a popular leader, a leader from the middling elements or any other such leader- you must not just be good governor, but being a good leader and a good person (insofar as it does not interfere with the other two needs). A meritorious leader is then loyal to their people, and respect their self-rule.
 
1) Self rule.
2) Loyalty.

The Meritocracy, at least as it manifests, seems to be infringing on both: the betters assert their authority to "nudge" and otherwise control the inferiors, and the loyalty of the meritocracy increasly comes into question. I'm wondering if, for example, some commitment to self rule and a loyalty to the right things used to be taken as an assumed, so you were just selecting the most effective loyal liberal person.
Yeah, it all boils down to loyalties. Which is kinda missing from the public debate because about this because in western countries (and most others really), before the age of globalism it was indeed true that most members of the socioeconomic and intellectual elite at least to some degree have loyalty to their home country, and so it has grown to be taken for granted.
But in the age of globalism and increasingly cosmopolitan, and anti-nationalistic tendencies among all parts of western societies and elites in particular, which in turn means less common loyalty to a nation-state or its people and more common loyalty to other things, this assumption is becoming increasingly wrong.
This consideration is not completely missing from mainstream culture though - the "Manchurian Candidate" has become not just the title of a book but a term in itself.
 
True. So how do you propose to fix it?

'People's Neoconservatism', where the flaws of modern neocon ideology are crudely patched over by attempting to link the well-being of the plebeians to that of the ruling classes, ensuring said plebeians have a stake in the system's continuation and as such, are motivated to be loyal to it? Instead of not invading middle eastern countries for oil, make shares in the stock of the oil and military equipment companies benefiting from said invasions a signing bonus for plebeians enlisting in the military fighting said invasions? Tariffs on international trade with sweatshop labor, to pay for a BGI for the locals left unemployed by race-to-the-bottom competition?
 
I think as a right wing problem, loyalty I don't think really falls as a core issue in "left wing" philosophy, like most right wing things it comes down to particulars and local conditions, rather than neat universal solutions.

In ye olden times, preserving the loyalty of the Baron to the King and preserving the loyalty of the Baron to his subjects are different, probably conflicting goals. Especially when we through in other legitimate loyatlies of the Baron such as god, family, or self (basically recognizing that the Barron has some legitimate interest in his own well being).

There's probably a million legitimate ways to balance between just those 5 loyalties listed, and local conditions will also change where "reasonablity" lies in all of it.

For example, on the self loyalty, its "unreasonable" to expect the Baron to work for free, and unreasonable for the other loyalties to make too great a demand for sacrifice. But, the Baron can also be far too unreasonable in the taxes he takes from his subjects to support an excessive lifestyle, or do unreasonably little for his King.

But, well, "reasonable" is not easily boiled down into some sort of objective measure, and I think is going to be strongly cultural.
 
I think as a right wing problem, loyalty I don't think really falls as a core issue in "left wing" philosophy, like most right wing things it comes down to particulars and local conditions, rather than neat universal solutions.

In ye olden times, preserving the loyalty of the Baron to the King and preserving the loyalty of the Baron to his subjects are different, probably conflicting goals. Especially when we through in other legitimate loyatlies of the Baron such as god, family, or self (basically recognizing that the Barron has some legitimate interest in his own well being).

There's probably a million legitimate ways to balance between just those 5 loyalties listed, and local conditions will also change where "reasonablity" lies in all of it.

For example, on the self loyalty, its "unreasonable" to expect the Baron to work for free, and unreasonable for the other loyalties to make too great a demand for sacrifice. But, the Baron can also be far too unreasonable in the taxes he takes from his subjects to support an excessive lifestyle, or do unreasonably little for his King.

But, well, "reasonable" is not easily boiled down into some sort of objective measure, and I think is going to be strongly cultural.

the problem with neat universal solutions is that they either dont work or cause horrific problems. Because life is messy, and things like geography, culture and a million other things means that one size fits all solutions end up going completely sideways or changing circumstance come over and fuck you right in the ass.

This is why traditional societies end up being very different in practice all over the globe.
 

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