Economics The Rise of the Technocrats and the Fall of Labor Power

Iconoclast

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If you stand back and look at the shape of the world in the past twenty years, nothing really makes any sense at all.

Our leaders sanctioning the deaths of nearly a million people in Iraq seems like disproportionate retribution for the few thousand who died on 9/11. Afghanistan was always a lost cause. Libya and Syria were doing fine before we started color revolutions there and then bombed them. And always, the endless refugee crisis, where nobody seems to ask where these people came from or why they'd flee their home countries for Europe. We've been through two massive recessions, and Big Finance has won both of them. Millions of people in the younger generation in the US and other wealthy Western countries possess a tiny fraction of their nations' respective wealth and have delayed many life milestones, like buying a house or starting a family. Instead, they sit at their parents' home, indulging in empty pleasures for a hefty subscription fee. We are told that our vacations are destroying the environment, while, at the same time, our economy is totally reliant on international shipping in container ships that each produce millions of commuter vehicles' worth of pollution.

As always, the political debate never seems to relate to any of these things at all. The media and the pundits have become a "psychobabble engine", the sole purpose of which is to stoke racial and gender-based divisions and keep working-class people squabbling over irrelevancies, intentionally overshadowing matters of class struggle and foreign policy. Why is this happening?

It's happening because the ruling class are implementing a technocratic society. I could just leave it at that, but I think this requires further elaboration.

The ruling class believe the following things:
  • The Earth is grossly overpopulated, well past its carrying capacity, and any further additions to the population, especially in first-world countries where people's per-capita carbon footprint is larger, would be catastrophic for the environment.
  • We are on track to experience complete agricultural collapse by the end of the century, with arable land, phosphorus, and fresh water supplies being totally depleted, and drought and desertification taking their place.
  • New disruptive technologies threaten to unseat the ruling class by removing their monopoly on the use of force, such as drone warfare and biohacking. They foresee a world where anyone, anywhere, can be assassinated with zero attribution by VNSAs, or where some psycho in his basement can cook up a super-pox and kill billions.
  • Automation will make billions of people basically obsolete, anyway, threatening to unravel the social fabric completely.
  • We are on the verge of a massive, global, populist uprising.
They are caught in a bind. They are totally dependent upon GDP growth to maintain their power, and yet, they are predicting a collapse and reversal into degrowth, with the inevitable result of mass social unrest, revolution, et cetera.

So, what is their plan?
  • Massively erode labor power. After all, in an oligarchy, money is power, and making sure all of it flows uphill is a good way to make sure that the legislature always answers to the needs of the rich before anyone else. Get rid of full-time employment and replace it with temp jobs; contract labor, gigs, for-hire work, et cetera. Keep people hungry and desperate.
  • De-politicize the economy. Take it completely out of the hands of the politicians and place control of the economy in the hands of a select few elite economists, with the aim of establishing economic multilateralism; overachievers are punished, and poor nations get foreign aid and preferential loans.
  • Aim for making a "Global Brazil". Destroy the middle class, destroy racial and national affiliations and replace them with a "universal consumer-serf" whose only loyalty is to brand name goods.
  • Pull up the ladder. Create a permanent caste system with no mobility between castes. If someone is born a serf, they will always be a serf.
  • Buy up all agricultural land and take over stewardship of it, forcing the rural population into cities.
  • Replace private property ownership with servitization, such that people continuously pay a fee to rent things that they previously would have owned in perpetuity, with the general aim of collecting revenue multiple times from the same unit of production.
  • Massively curtail civil liberties across the board. Implement mass surveillance and a social credit system tied to an implanted ID. Make all money 100% cashless, digital, blockchain-based and centrally controlled, with an automated system that examines the factors of production and limits what it can be spent on accordingly. Control how much people are allowed to travel, how many children they're allowed to have, ration their access to specific goods by giving them monthly quotas for resource-intensive things like hailing a driverless cab or buying meat.
  • Eventually, mind control. Particularly the kind that can be used to suppress feelings of discontent that could lead to unrest, by creating in people a sense of artificial satiety, similar to antidepressant drugs but much more powerful (like Soma from Brave New World).




Did you notice something, there? None of that had anything to do with race or gender politics. Not a goddamn thing. Basically, discussion of technocracy has been shoved outside the Overton Window. It's not a part of common political discourse at all. In fact, most political discourse today is cooked up as a distraction to keep people from talking about the rise of technocracy as a sociopolitical movement and program advanced by the Elite. People unwittingly contribute to the rise of technocracy with every little thing we do. Your Netflix and Hulu subscriptions? Your Amazon Prime purchases? That's a donation to the technocracy.

Modern tech companies create the same value as traditional companies while employing orders of magnitude fewer people. Every time you solicit a tech company for some service or another, you are not putting money in the pockets of laborers. You are giving it to the oligarchs.

What will the world of tomorrow look like? Simple. You get up out of bed, in your 50 square foot prison cell of an apartment with a communal kitchen, where you cannot possibly start a family. You drink a Soylent, put on your VR helmet, and now, you're at work. Your boss has decided that the office should look like Laputa from Laputa: Castle in the Sky, thanks to a cross-promotion with Studio Ghibli, but it's basically just a cheesy next-gen Second Life where you sit around and get eyestrain. All the services between work and home have been eliminated. There are no more restaurants, no more bookstores, no more gas stations, no more dry cleaners, and no more daycares. If you need something, a drone will drop it off on a balcony, or wheel it to your front door, but we'd much rather you indulge in some Meta Digital Goods® and help save the environment. There, see, was that so hard? You just spent fifty NWO Credits from your monthly allowance to buy a fake chair for your fake 3500-square-foot home in your fake-o-vision goggles. The only people who are actually allowed to own things are an Elite who have left humanity behind, living in islands of insulated opulence that you could not possibly dream of.

There are armies of college-educated neoliberal managerial-class drones who are all working towards this common goal, whether they realize it or not.

Your perpetual childhood is just beginning.

 
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Simonbob

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And......

It won't work. The tech isn't there. Look at "The Meta", and and the current supply issues, and you'll very quickly come to the conclusion that if you walk away from reality, you can't run it effectively.

Who'll fix the drones? When there's a broken port, who'll work out what's wrong, and fix that? Yes, we need less labour, in places like the US, and Australia.

But, we didn't really lower the amount needed by as much as it looks like. Mostly, it just got shipped overseas. And when China falls over, as it inevitably will, what happens then?


I can see a group of our "Elite" wanting this. Working for it, and manipulating the Media to make it happen. What they haven't quite worked out, is the same thing that happens in every revolution. Those who start it, pretty much never keep it.
 

Cherico

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And......

It won't work. The tech isn't there. Look at "The Meta", and and the current supply issues, and you'll very quickly come to the conclusion that if you walk away from reality, you can't run it effectively.

Who'll fix the drones? When there's a broken port, who'll work out what's wrong, and fix that? Yes, we need less labour, in places like the US, and Australia.

But, we didn't really lower the amount needed by as much as it looks like. Mostly, it just got shipped overseas. And when China falls over, as it inevitably will, what happens then?


I can see a group of our "Elite" wanting this. Working for it, and manipulating the Media to make it happen. What they haven't quite worked out, is the same thing that happens in every revolution. Those who start it, pretty much never keep it.

I honestly think they will fail not just because of that but because of their very need to control and micromanage every one around them. These people are fundamentally speaking control freak assholes with zero respect for peoples traditions, cultures and expecially religion.

This kind of technocratic bullshit has been tried before but it always runs into the issue that economies, nations life is fucking complicated. Capitalism as we know it basically just tries to cut this problem into managable chunks.


So my bet? These guys try to make this happen and due to their money and resources they problaly win for awhile, and then it all comes crashing down hard in a civilizational civil wars. When its all over people look upon the horror and maddness of what has happened and completely reject modernity.

The most traditionalist, reactionary person possible takes over and all of the social experiementation ends.
 

ParadiseLost

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They won't be able to do it worldwide, because the Chinese have already won the game, and they are only getting better at competing.

And the reality is that all signs point to the fact that the Chinese government, authoritarian or not, actually care about the well-being (not welfare) of their populous in a way that the US government does not.

The recent crackdowns on gaming and finance point to this in multiple ways.

The Chinese government cracked down on gaming because they want their youth invested in reality, not in virtual worlds.

They cracked down on gaming and finance because they want their youth learning biology, chemistry, and physics to invent new things and improve society, not going into gaming or finance and participating in wealth-maximizing or pleasure-maximizing work.

Its also not a coincidence that the Chinese chose to crack down on tech and finance when those are two of the highest profit margin industries. They don't want any industries exploiting their growing middle class.
 

Simonbob

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And the reality is that all signs point to the fact that the Chinese government, authoritarian or not, actually care about the well-being (not welfare) of their populous in a way that the US government does not.

It's, in part, a reaction to cultural and racial unity, their "elite" can see their people as an extention of themselves, so China doing well is something that reflects well on them.

Of course, their other tendancies in authoritarian ways, coupled with global transport issues means they're still going to fall over. It's not likely the current group will keep power, but it's happened before.
 

ParadiseLost

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It's, in part, a reaction to cultural and racial unity, their "elite" can see their people as an extention of themselves, so China doing well is something that reflects well on them.

Of course, their other tendancies in authoritarian ways, coupled with global transport issues means they're still going to fall over. It's not likely the current group will keep power, but it's happened before.

Nah. The odds of China "falling over" is near zero, and thinking otherwise is just wishful thinking. The global economy is designed to benefit China way too much for "falling over" to be likely.

Also, the global supply chain problem is in no small part a fundamentally American supply chain problem.

America has some of the least skilled manufacturing workers in the world, we have almost no new truckers to replace aging ones, the West Coast ports (where most stuff comes in) are literally among the least efficient ports in the world.
 

Lord Sovereign

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I can see a group of our "Elite" wanting this. Working for it, and manipulating the Media to make it happen. What they haven't quite worked out, is the same thing that happens in every revolution. Those who start it, pretty much never keep it.

I have no doubt that some of them are having a go at it, but the vast majority of our politicians are just brain dead Neo-Liberals squabbling for power.
 

Terthna

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They won't be able to do it worldwide, because the Chinese have already won the game, and they are only getting better at competing.

And the reality is that all signs point to the fact that the Chinese government, authoritarian or not, actually care about the well-being (not welfare) of their populous in a way that the US government does not.

The recent crackdowns on gaming and finance point to this in multiple ways.

The Chinese government cracked down on gaming because they want their youth invested in reality, not in virtual worlds.

They cracked down on gaming and finance because they want their youth learning biology, chemistry, and physics to invent new things and improve society, not going into gaming or finance and participating in wealth-maximizing or pleasure-maximizing work.

Its also not a coincidence that the Chinese chose to crack down on tech and finance when those are two of the highest profit margin industries. They don't want any industries exploiting their growing middle class.
China is the most over-leveraged country on the entire planet; they only look like they've won to people who have bought into their Potemkin village facade. As for the CCP supposedly caring about the well-being of the Chinese citizenry; one would have to be frightfully ignorant and naive to beleive that. They don't care about making their lives better; they care about getting as much use out of them as possible, as well as eliminating any potential threats to their power.
 

Bassoe

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The American political media have been predicting that China's rejection of their supposed wisdom will lead it to catastrophic collapse for decades now, they've been wrong only every single time so far.
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China ignored their advice, since it is at best, bad, at worst, actively corruptive, and followed a stratagy of "did something work in the past for other countries, if so, copy it" and "did something fail in the past, if so, don't do it".

Capitalism proved better at distributing goods among a populous than communism, the soviet union and their own maoist era compared to the west demonstrated that. So they adopt it. But on the other hand, the west consistently also demonstrates that plutocratic corporate executives will act against society's long-term benefit by offshoring and otherwise replacing actual industrial prowess with scams like stock markets and banking as primary sources of money. So use the governmental monopoly of force to stop them and have them killed if they try anyway. The west shows multiculturalism leading to riots and terrorism. China preemptively rounds up their troublesome demographics and puts them in gulags.

Every day china doesn't collapse is another piece of evidence against the supposed wisdom of our leading political theorists. If they can gulag their plutocrats whenever they got too openly treasonous and still have an economy which is beating ours, we could gulag ours in the same circumstances and contrary to their claims, it wouldn't kill our economy, instead, it'd merely motivate our surviving plutocrats not to betray us.
 
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Terthna

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The American political media have been predicting that China's rejection of their supposed wisdom will lead it to catastrophic collapse for decades now, they've been wrong only every single time so far.
1fq4rrk5ih921.jpg

China ignored their advice, since it is at best, bad, at worst, actively corruptive, and followed a stratagy of "did something work in the past for other countries, if so, copy it" and "did something fail in the past, if so, don't do it".

Capitalism proved better at distributing goods among a populous than communism, the soviet union and their own maoist era compared to the west demonstrated that. So they adopt it. But on the other hand, the west consistently also demonstrates that plutocratic corporate executives will act against society's long-term benefit by offshoring and otherwise replacing actual industrial prowess with scams like stock markets and banking as primary sources of money. So use the governmental monopoly of force to stop them and have them killed if they try anyway. The west shows multiculturalism leading to riots and terrorism. China preemptively rounds up their troublesome demographics and puts them in gulags.

Every day china doesn't collapse is another piece of evidence against the supposed wisdom of our leading political theorists. If they can gulag their plutocrats whenever they got too openly treasonous and still have an economy which is beating ours, we could gulag ours in the same circumstances and contrary to their claims, it wouldn't kill our economy, instead, it'd merely motivate our surviving plutocrats not to betray us.
Our economists are idiots; this is not news. However; to argue that because China's economy hasn't yet collapsed means it never will, and moreover is superior to our own, reeks of willful ignorance at best.

First of all, they're lying about their GDP. Nobody knows what it actually is, but it's reasonable to assume that it's in the negatives, and has been for a while. Everyone in China knows this; that's why they keep trying to move their money out of China. Secondly; the real estate market in China, which is the only viable avenue of investment for the average citizen in that country, is massivly over-inflated in value. Entire cities are built that no one ever lives in, and so shoddily that they usually collapse under their own weight in less than a decade. Thirdly, and this is the real kicker; corruption is rampant to the point that it puts most other countries to shame. Bridges are built out of literal garbage covered with a thin layer of cement, restaurants use sewage as cooking oil, and local clinics hook everyone who comes in up to IV drips, so that they can charge an extra fee.

Those are just a few examples, mind you, and all of them serve as proof that China is not nearly as succesful as their supporters hope, or their enemies fear. Their economy will collapse; not because they're not doing what western economists insist they should be doing, but because what they are doing is unsustainable. Whether it happens tommorow, or twenty years from now; it is inevitable.
 

Cherico

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Our economists are idiots; this is not news. However; to argue that because China's economy hasn't yet collapsed means it never will, and moreover is superior to our own, reeks of willful ignorance at best.

First of all, they're lying about their GDP. Nobody knows what it actually is, but it's reasonable to assume that it's in the negatives, and has been for a while. Everyone in China knows this; that's why they keep trying to move their money out of China. Secondly; the real estate market in China, which is the only viable avenue of investment for the average citizen in that country, is massivly over-inflated in value. Entire cities are built that no one ever lives in, and so shoddily that they usually collapse under their own weight in less than a decade. Thirdly, and this is the real kicker; corruption is rampant to the point that it puts most other countries to shame. Bridges are built out of literal garbage covered with a thin layer of cement, restaurants use sewage as cooking oil, and local clinics hook everyone who comes in up to IV drips, so that they can charge an extra fee.

Those are just a few examples, mind you, and all of them serve as proof that China is not nearly as succesful as their supporters hope, or their enemies fear. Their economy will collapse; not because they're not doing what western economists insist they should be doing, but because what they are doing is unsustainable. Whether it happens tommorow, or twenty years from now; it is inevitable.

honestly the chinese have been playing the most skilled game of economic Jenga ever.

that said the collapse will not destroy china, it will still be a great power when the process is over it will however be the end of the chinese communist government.
 

Terthna

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honestly the chinese have been playing the most skilled game of economic Jenga ever.

that said the collapse will not destroy china, it will still be a great power when the process is over it will however be the end of the chinese communist government.
I doubt it. China has been united for too long; overthrowing the CCP is going to result in the country dividing into seperate nations.
 

Cherico

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I doubt it. China has been united for too long; overthrowing the CCP is going to result in the country dividing into seperate nations.

I don't think even that would last too long, I think china will reuinify pretty quickly though they might lose some non core areas like Tibet and the such, but they will be back and I think the next regime will be a better one.
 

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