The spread of Christianity in a no-Islam TL?
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It would displace all of the competition from other religions in the Middle East, and from thence into Central Asia and all of Africa. Basically only Asia screened by India and China would remain non-Christian, with the exception of places like the East Indies, large swathes of India, and possibly Korea and Japan. With exceptionally good luck, however, I could see Christianity also becoming dominant in India and China and from there it'll become globally dominant.
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What about Persia and its Zoroastrianism?
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IIRC, most of the evidence puts to it being sharply on the decline, which was a factor in the Islamic conquest being so successful; Mesopotamia, which was the heart of the Empire, was probably majority Christian by the time the Arabs arrived.
I'm intrigued by this, considering that I know that some aspects of Zoroastrianism, such as Nowruz, have survived in Iran up to the present-day, even after over 1,350 years of Islamic rule there.
Skallagrim
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Of course, if Persia goes Christian, that'll be Nestorianism. That's what was thriving in Mesopotamia historically.
This suggests that we see an enormous, possibly globe-spanning Christendom, but divided between a Chalcedonian sphere and a Nestorian sphere. (Both may well see internal schisms later on, of course.)
This suggests that we see an enormous, possibly globe-spanning Christendom, but divided between a Chalcedonian sphere and a Nestorian sphere. (Both may well see internal schisms later on, of course.)
Val the Moofia Boss
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I think that if Islam didn't happen, that perhaps some other religion would've popped up and would have had a similar effect in it's place.
Very possible.
What odds would you place on a 1054-like Schism eventually happening in the Chalcedonian sphere?
Also, off-topic, but without Islam, it's possible that once the printing press gets developed, it would get adopted much more quickly in the territories that are part of the Muslim world in real life. In real life, Muslim-ruled countries historically had an aversion to the printing press:
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Agent23
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Indonesia, Malaysia, and other parts of Oceania and SE Asia might become Orthodox christian if the Arabs adopt Orthodox Christianity, although part of the OTL Islamic expansion might be replaced by Buddhism as well.
Central Asia and all of the turcic people there eventually become christians as well, IMO.
Central Asia and all of the turcic people there eventually become christians as well, IMO.
Buba
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I would expect neither Orthodox or Eastern Christianitiy to reach SEA, but its Oriental guise.
In OTL this area went Hinduistic and/or Buddhist. In spite of having access to Christianity for over half a thousand years. And Islam initially spread through missionary work, not the sword.
Mesopotamia was heavily Christianised as, AFAIK, the locals were drifting into Nestorianism from various pagan faiths. Not switching from Zoroastrism. I'd expect Greater Iran to remain Zoroastrian (west) and Buddhist (east).
In India it seems that the Buddhists (although this is a complicated story) drifted into Islam or back into Hinduism. Maybe here more find Jesus?
With no Islam it is highly likely that Christianity would be more popular in the Great Steppe. Orthodoxy in the west and Nestorianism in the east. To what extent we cannot say. Buddhism, Tengrism, Manicheism all are competitors.
So, IMO "no Islam" = a Christian Africa and a more-than-OTL Christian Central Asia.
There seems to a broad consensus on this
And certain aspects of almost every pagan cult ever - Spring Equinox and Winter Solstice - have survived in Christianity to this day ...
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Jesuits in 17th century made chineese version of christianity for Ming dynasty,so it could be done.
Well,Jesus gave Keys to Kingdom to Peter,not 5 patriarchs.
But - not jesuits,indeed.Some other order would do.