The Stupidity of Woke

The Whispering Monk said:
This is a false statement.
You saying this makes the Left very happy because you've bought their hype.
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Nonsense. Their "hype" is that they'll sustain their victory. We're living in their victory.
I know for a fact that the system will destroy itself, and in our lifetime.

Thinking that this homo nightmare we and our parents were born in will last, that's the unrealistic pessimism.
 
Shipmaster Sane said:
Nonsense. Their "hype" is that they'll sustain their victory. We're living in their victory.
I know for a fact that the system will destroy itself, and in our lifetime.

Thinking that this homo nightmare we and our parents were born in will last, that's the unrealistic pessimism.
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You stated that the cultural war was lost and it is unrecoverable.

Then you go on to say it's going to destroy itself.

Which is it?
 
The Whispering Monk said:
You stated that the cultural war was lost and it is unrecoverable.
Then you go on to say it's going to destroy itself.
Which is it?
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Both? Those aren't mutually exclusive. When something is destroyed, more can be built in it's place The enemies of the west have driven the train off a cliff. It's already happened, not going to happen, not "if we hit the brakes now maybe we can-" it's done.
They, in their delusions, think they can pretend the fall isn't ever going to end, as if they'll just keep flying forever, as if the ground isn't getting closer. The crash is a certainty, we're generations past the point of stopping it.
 
Shipmaster Sane said:
Both? Those aren't mutually exclusive. When something is destroyed, more can be built in it's place The enemies of the west have driven the train off a cliff. It's already happened, not going to happen, not "if we hit the brakes now maybe we can-" it's done.
They, in their delusions, think they can pretend the fall isn't ever going to end, as if they'll just keep flying forever, as if the ground isn't getting closer. The crash is a certainty, we're generations past the point of stopping it.
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Do you or don't you believe in miracles?
 
LordsFire said:
Do you or don't you believe in miracles?
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Of course cosmically incredible events that defy all mortal reason may occur, but when I see someone has already been thrown from a window I say "they will touch the ground soon", I dont waste time with the astronomical "unless" because the chances are so low it's self deceptive to even bring it up. Humans cannot operate in the land of one in a billion, they cannot account for it or plan for it, and it's a dangerous distraction to hang hopes on, they have to simply accept it when it happens.
Who am I to gauge the divine mysteries of the universe, but it would be a bizarre time for a miracle. The post war period has been evil. Evil. Not all the fun cartoons and professional wrestling and jangling keys that fire my synapses in a novel way make it not so.
It will be good when this age comes crashing down. We've spent our lives comfortable in evil.


So if Aliens or the host of the archangels come down to shield us from the consequences of our own actions, I'll just cope with it.
 
Shipmaster Sane said:
Lets be real the United States has been culturally unrecoverable since 1960 and Europe since 1910 at the absolute latest.

Since then we've all just been waiting for the ground to meet us after the long fall, and hopefully to pick up the pieces after the crash.
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going to disagree.

Were in a really bad phase of western civilization, but I don't think were at the end. I think this is a rather ugly phase yes but the civilization will survive but god damned is there going to be a lot of pointless death and suffering before we get from our shitty vista to something sustainable.
 
Cherico said:
The revolution has already started to eat its own were just waiting for the apitizers to end and the maincourse to begin.
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Apitizers? Better make they got some delicious delacies while they're at it.

Speaking of woke freaks. I found out about that teenage climate freak Greta the Creep had a Palestinian Instagram post which was deleted after outrage.
 
Cherico said:
going to disagree.

Were in a really bad phase of western civilization, but I don't think were at the end. I think this is a rather ugly phase yes but the civilization will survive but god damned is there going to be a lot of pointless death and suffering before we get from our shitty vista to something sustainable.
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Well, this is getting into what we mean by collapse. We're getting into "Rome never fell because there are still Italians" or "Sparta never fell because there are still Greeks" territory of terminology becoming meaningless.
I find over precision to be almost always be self defeating in these kinds of conversations, suffice to say that what most people will mostly understand to be a "collapse" or "end" will occur.

But if you want me to be extremely exacting: There will be a general loss of continuity of government (De-Facto in some places, explicitly in others) and large scale (i.e. on the national or international scale) social structures across the West. The belief systems that a historian hundreds of years from now would say dominated the west across the last century will disappear or contract exponentially. There will be a breakdown of trade in the way we are accustomed, and social interaction in the way we are accustomed.

There will still be Christians, there will still be white people, there will still be people calling themselves "Americans" but the way in which they conduct and consider their lives (Culture) will be altered to an extreme degree.



Consider for a moment that if the culture of the United states were to overnight become that of the 1930s, it would be accurate to call that a complete destruction of the previous culture, and would constitute the collapse of all globalized culture.
 
US culture is always changing. The Roaring 20s were nothing like the 50s, which were nothing like the 70s, which were nothing like the 80s....and so on.

As for leftist control of media, that's been true since the left was a thing. Ideologues and journalists are the bedrock of leftism.
 
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SoliFortissimi said:
US culture is always changing.
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See why I said precision is pointless in these kinds of conversations?
SoliFortissimi said:
The Roaring 20s were nothing like the 50s, which were nothing like the 70s, which were nothing like the 80s....and so on.
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This is just ignorance of scale. Sort of like saying "XYZ community cant be overrun by drug addicts, because drug addicts existed 100 year ago!"
The twenties were exponentially more like the fifties than the decades following 1960 were like the decades of the past. The fact is that American men from the first half of the 1900s could have gotten along reasonably well with men from the first half of the 1800s, whereas we're living in a debauched, apocalyptic nightmare now as far as our ancestors would be concerned.


Again we're into the "no empire or kingdom has ever fallen" territory, which is a useless stance to take.
 
LordsFire said:
The point being, the Americans of the 1900's-1950's were not 'the epitome of debauched atheistic bourgeoisie.'

A cut of the ruling and wealthy classes? Sure.

The nation at large?

Absolutely not. That didn't come until after the cultural revolution of the 1960's.
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Even then that was and at least partially still is concentrated in the f*cking cities.
 
mandragon said:
Even then that was and at least partially still is concentrated in the f*cking cities.
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Decadence is always concentrated in cities.

So is wealth.

The two are at least somewhat linked.

1. Cities by definition are high concentrations of population - ripe for various forms of disease, perversion, and criminality, which have, for most of human history, run rampant through them.

2. Decadence helps to take the populace's minds off of the fear, pain, and death generated by the above (historically, haven't checked recent actuary tables). Which explains popular interest in decadence.

3. The decadence is permitted, and even encouraged by the wealthy and powerful because it also keeps the rest distracted and less likely to get or act on funny ideas like "There's tens of thousands of us, and only a few hundred poorly paid armed guards keeping us from the throats of all those posh poncy bastards. I saw we have a go at 'em."
 
willdelve4beer said:
Decadence is always concentrated in cities.

So is wealth.

The two are at least somewhat linked.

1. Cities by definition are high concentrations of population - ripe for various forms of disease, perversion, and criminality, which have, for most of human history, run rampant through them.

2. Decadence helps to take the populace's minds off of the fear, pain, and death generated by the above (historically, haven't checked recent actuary tables). Which explains popular interest in decadence.

3. The decadence is permitted, and even encouraged by the wealthy and powerful because it also keeps the rest distracted and less likely to get or act on funny ideas like "There's tens of thousands of us, and only a few hundred poorly paid armed guards keeping us from the throats of all those posh poncy bastards. I saw we have a go at 'em."
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Jefferson noted that should Americans congregate in massive cities and emulate the banker cabals and credit-economies of the Old World, the United States would soon be as corrupt as many states in Europe. And he was right; but his wish to prevent it was inherently hopeless. The arcadian state is, by default, a fleeting one. We live in a fallen world, and we are by our nature fated to forever re-enact the events that led to its fall. The cycle of flawed human nature-- which, incidentally, reaches its murkiest depths when the most haughty among us (such as the "wokies", for instance) think that they can simply transcend that nature and re-make the world, as if they themselves possessed the attributes of God.
 
Skallagrim said:
Jefferson noted that should Americans congregate in massive cities and emulate the banker cabals and credit-economies of the Old World, the United States would soon be as corrupt as many states in Europe. And he was right; but his wish to prevent it was inherently hopeless. The arcadian state is, by default, a fleeting one. We live in a fallen world, and we are by our nature fated to forever re-enact the events that led to its fall. The cycle of flawed human nature-- which, incidentally, reaches its murkiest depths when the most haughty among us (such as the "wokies", for instance) think that they can simply transcend that nature and re-make the world, as if they themselves possessed the attributes of God.
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AR Governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders (R) signs legislation banning all forms & definitions of WOKE across the entire Natural State.
 
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