Triple Human Alliance in 40k

[Zachowon]

So just need to be resurrected.
Got it.
Literally all that needs to be done.

 

[Scooby Doo]

So just need to be resurrected.
Got it.
Literally all that needs to be done.

You mean repaired back in homebase which takes an unknown amount of time or the self repair feature which only works for light to medium damage?

Because it's not the way you think it is, sufficient damage can and has knocked them out of a fight where Necrons aren't able to recuperate their losses fast enough to win a battle and are thus defeated or forced to retreat.


It's a joke to compare to Guardian resurrection for example.

 

[Scooby Doo]

So we know from the Mega Corp trailer, the financial power of 375 Branch Offices is enough to comfortably field around 30 or so Titans for a single fleet.

Assuming Common Wealth can match that considering they start off with more planets, they could field about 3x times the above fleet.


A Titan mind you being able to snipe across a Star System and potentially OHK a Battleship (Which would easily have tens to hundreds of Gigaton shielding and possibly Neutronium Armor).

So we're looking with relatively little economic strain at least three snipers fleets, which with their predictive based point defense system making an enemy's physical missiles mostly irrelevant. (Not even touching their broker tech based auras that can enhance an entire fleet)

Combine the sheer size and thickness of the armor and on top of the shielding they should have immediate Naval superiority to the Tau. I could see the Tau being absorbed in a few years and then their combat technology being applied for Human ground forces so they have more mechanized infantry to deal with the more dangerous Admech and Orkz.

 

[Vyor]

A Titan mind you being able to snipe across a Star System and potentially OHK a Battleship (Which would easily have tens to hundreds of Gigaton shielding and possibly Neutronium Armor).

Where do you get "gigaton" from? What is "neutronium armor"?

 

[Scooby Doo]

Where do you get "gigaton" from? What is "neutronium armor"?

From statement of lower tier missiles being 10 gigatons and scaling of Anti Matter missiles which if weighed as much as a cruise missiles payload would be in the double digit gigatons.

Neutronium materials being super dense star material.

Which they know how to manipulate due to their density compression technology

And shielding tech is confirmed to withstand enemy fire with it typically needing sustained enemy fire to break for weapons tech equal and below. (Unless using shield ignoring hax)

 

[Vyor]

Neutronium materials being super dense star material.

Which explodes as soon as its removed from the star's gravity, yes. There has never been a single scifi that has meant that neutronium when it comes to armor simply because going near a planet with that much of the stuff would suck the atmosphere off the world.

... that is a very, very, very large missile. Like holy shit that is so much plutonium. That would be .25615 tons of antimatter, meaning that twice that much material needs to be turned into energy, so .51230 tons of material. With the most efficient weapon ever designed being only 5.2 megatons per tonne of material (B41 nuclear bomb - Wikipedia) we can actually get a close estimate of how massive that missile has to be.

Since we want 10,000 megatons we can multiply that number by 5.2 and get... 52 thousand metric tons of uranium/plutonium alone.

For some reason, I don't think that weapon is actually nuclear.

Not that it matters because we don't know how far away the missile is detonated or if its a shaped charge. It could be that a mere 5 kilotons of tnt equivalent actually reaches the target or it could be up to 9.99 gigatons.

Or it could be all of it if it detonates inside the target.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Which explodes as soon as its removed from the star's gravity, yes. There has never been a single scifi that has meant that neutronium when it comes to armor simply because going near a planet with that much of the stuff would suck the atmosphere off the world.

Too bad they have the tech for it

... that is a very, very, very large missile. Like holy shit that is so much plutonium. That would be .25615 tons of antimatter, meaning that twice that much material needs to be turned into energy, so .51230 tons of material. With the most efficient weapon ever designed being only 5.2 megatons per tonne of material (B41 nuclear bomb - Wikipedia) we can actually get a close estimate of how massive that missile has to be.

Since we want 10,000 megatons we can multiply that number by 5.2 and get... 52 thousand metric tons of uranium/plutonium alone.

For some reason, I don't think that weapon is actually nuclear.

Not that it matters because we don't know how far away the missile is detonated or if its a shaped charge. It could be that a mere 5 kilotons of tnt equivalent actually reaches the target or it could be up to 9.99 gigatons.

Or it could be all of it if it detonates inside the target.

Sounds like copium, if you're not going to do some basic research I don't think I'll continue addressing some of your posts until you bring up something worth while to discuss.


Seriously you're saying the yield is too big when small bomb big yield is a sci-fi trope

 

[Vyor]

Sounds like copium, if you're not going to do some basic research I don't think I'll continue addressing some of your posts until you bring up something worth while to discuss.


Seriously you're saying the yield is too big when small bomb big yield is a sci-fi trope

You... didn't read the rest of the post, did you?

 

[Scooby Doo]

You... didn't read the rest of the post, did you?

I did it's certainly a lot of copium

 

[Vyor]

I did it's certainly a lot of copium

Not that it matters because we don't know how far away the missile is detonated or if its a shaped charge. It could be that a mere 5 kilotons of tnt equivalent actually reaches the target or it could be up to 9.99 gigatons.

Or it could be all of it if it detonates inside the target.

How much energy is the armor and shield actually taking?

 

[Scooby Doo]

How much energy is the armor and shield actually taking?

 

[Scooby Doo]

Some other nifty things, cloaked based the size of small mountains allowing them to spy on the Imperium or Admech.

Would probably have to insert this before either forces arrive for long term espionage.

Building exceeding the altitude of clouds, just more testament to their structure engineering and gravity tech

And their androids aren't too shabby, they can do a spacewalk and lift in excess of 400 kilograms.

So almost half a ton for their earliest Android Models, with help from the Federation and Guardians they can probably produce billions of Guardsmen equivalent who are stronger and faster.

Put it some counter measures like that likes quantum encryption and the other tech and they should be a reliable easy to replenish ground force for the THA.

 

[Vyor]

So yield statements are... absolutely useless.

 

[Scooby Doo]

So yield statements are... absolutely useless.

Hmm

I don't think so, established calcs were listed in the OP so it's presuming the full payloads energy is released.

Which scales all the shields and armor, and considering even the smallest Corvette can withstand said fire, doesn't look too bad.

With their sublight speed of .99 they'll be able to be dodging return fire like Neo from the Matrix.

 

[Vyor]

I don't think so, established calcs were listed in the OP so it's presuming the full payloads energy is released.

The payload being released doesn't mean the payload all hits the target because square cube law.

With their sublight speed of .99 they'll be able to be dodging return fire like Neo from the Matrix.

Their straight line speed, yes. How fast can they turn?

 

[Scooby Doo]

The payload being released doesn't mean the payload all hits the target because square cube law.

"Square Cube Law"

You know none of the Tyranids would exist if that was the case right?

Their straight line speed, yes. How fast can they turn?

It's based on Space shuttle Design.

Which would mean they turn as fast as the thrusters
Moving in Space | How Things Fly.

So no exact figure but probably maneuverable enough to make them a bitch in a half to hit, even if they could only turn half as fast as a Jet fighter.

 

[Vyor]

"Square Cube Law"

Does in fact apply to explosives, yes.

So no exact figure but probably maneuverable enough to make them a bitch in a half to hit, even if they could only turn half as fast as a Jet fighter.

Not... really. Just a bit of math. Point kinetic weapons ahead of them based on that math and point laser weapons... at them.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Does in fact apply to explosives, yes.

In real life yeah not necessarily in science fiction

Not... really. Just a bit of math. Point kinetic weapons ahead of them based on that math and point laser weapons... at them.

Okay cool. So what's the accuracy rating and range for 40k Navy's?


We already know Tyranids and Orkz are out because of their Navy CQC fighting which is heavily reliant on ramming doctrine and wave tactics.

So you'll need to source the Imperium, AdMech, Eldar and Necrons.

Because you know if the kinetic is too slow the crew can just take evasive action from the incoming projectile or shoot it down with point defense.

Then of course with the laser weapons you'll need to confirm if it's an actual light speed weapon and how accurate it is.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Anyway, for the hardest match up going with the Mechanicus.


They're universally going to be top quality. The Noosphere
Noosphere

Is going to give them flexibility and rapid responses that only the Tyranids can match, their forces are going to be extremely coordinated and sending information back to their commanders faster and more accurately than conventional biological forces can.

This would in turn have Admech forces making moves and counter attacks faster than the Mobile Infantry which is an edge they'll need.


I see the Skitaari Rangers being a MUST, they'll be spread out and used to pick off the heavy weapon users, which is something only the AdMech could really due to their doctrine and high quality.


Mobile Infantry will probably respond with supporting light infantry to suppress the Rangers but the Skitaari Vanguard radiation weapons would make short work of the Light Infantry via RadStorm protocols due to lack of radiation protection.


This forces the THA to rely on Guardians and Robotic Infantry, the Guardians will need to get upgraded armor but their Paracasuality should mess with their forces and the drones would be better than any organics.

Marauders don't have the numbers to be fielded enough to break through Mechanicus lines and the Anti Tank weapons from the Ballista will one shot them.

 

[Vyor]

In real life yeah not necessarily in science fiction

No, we have to assume basic geometry works otherwise you might as well say "this faction wins because I like them".

Okay cool. So what's the accuracy rating and range for 40k Navy's?

The range of Plot.

That isn't a joke, it varies on source and even within the same source.

Then of course with the laser weapons you'll need to confirm if it's an actual light speed weapon and how accurate it is.

what

They're universally going to be top quality. The Noosphere
Noosphere

Is going to give them flexibility and rapid responses that only the Tyranids can match, their forces are going to be extremely coordinated and sending information back to their commanders faster and more accurately than conventional biological forces can.

This would in turn have Admech forces making moves and counter attacks faster than the Mobile Infantry which is an edge they'll need.

The noosphere isn't interplanetary(anymore)...