Twin Greco-Roman Islands To Modern World

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Another aspect of this scenario that's been on my mind is how the Greeks and Romans might learn today's languages? I'm sure it's possible for their more linguistically inclined constituents to learn in principle, though the fact that they have no scholars or universities who know about them from the get-go means that they'll need uptimer help to get started.

This also assumes they're even willing to take it, which is debatable thanks to conservative backlash on the part of more moralistic, culturally "purist" elements of the Greco-Roman population. Knowing them, our languages will at least peripherally skirt into their line of attack, and probably for misguided reasons like how learning them allows their people to make sense of "degenerate" uptimer media and will lead to lots of "strange" foreign loanwords worming their way into their "undefiled" Greek/Latin. Even if for whatever reason they don't put up much of a fight in that respect, the fact that they maintain a cultural superiority complex probably means that they'd mourn how Greek/Latin don't command the same prestige as was once the case (continued legal, religious and scientific usage notwithstanding).

If, however, more than a handful of Greeks and Romans were in a position to learn, then I think it'd prove a much more interesting experience than a typical case of "native speaker of Language A is currently learning Language B". Because I don't know much about the other major trade languages there are to master--Spanish, Arabic, Mandarin Chinese, etc.--most of my initial thoughts here will cover English. In that case, some of the first key points that come to mind for me are grammar, spelling, and vocabulary.

Latin being an inflected language where words change depending on how they're being used in different contexts, I imagine that sticking to English's more analytic word order would be rather foreign. As would its definite/indefinite articles, distinct lack of grammatical gender, and a tense system that acts in rather interesting ways sometimes. How much experience they have with those sorts of linguistic conventions heading into this scenario (due to my unfamiliarity with whatever Germanic languages they'd have known about), I'm not sure.

English vocabulary also strikes me as a mixed bag for them. There's plenty of English words with Latin and Greek roots, but English has also borrowed words from all over the world thanks to British (and maybe to some extent American) exploration, vastly increasing the array of words that there are to memorize. Plus, there are plenty of terms and concepts that the Romans had no straightforward equivalent for, such as airplane or television; those would prove hard to explain for reasons other than simply being easily lost in translation, I'd think. Nonetheless, I imagine that English's uniquely "open" and "innovative" tendencies will be of great notice to Greco-Roman linguists who bother studying it, though whether they'd see it as largely positive, negative or not really give a damn may depend on the linguist in question, as I don't know whether Latin and/or Greek ever cultivated similar reputations while they were still the great lingua francas of their heyday.

For those Greeks and Romans who do successfully learn it, I wonder how their accents might sound? I know less about Greece, but I'm fairly certain that over ninety-nine percent of Anglophonic Romans won't speak with conspicuous British accents (much to the surprise of the average uptimer, unfortunately).

Perhaps the rather silly Open University video below will provide beginners with some useful (though nonessential) context. As will The History of English Podcast, for those who want something more comprehensive.

History of English (combined)


...Then again, it's also been pointed out to me elsewhere that most of them are more likely to learn modern Greek and Italian, with some of them picking up more global languages like English and Spanish as third languages.
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
As it relates to technological advancements, one thing they're bound to notice about us is how fast technology tends to advance as of the last three-hundred or so years. What might they make of game-changers like the Industrial Revolution, for example? We've certainly had the luxury of time to build off of the discoveries of previous generations, but the compounding speed at which it gets better and better isn't something the ancient Romans and Greeks would've been accustomed to (even considering the latter's technological parity for their time).

Everyday inventions like cars and cell phones aside, their reactions to heavier machinery and larger construction projects should also prove interesting. The fact that we've long surpassed them in these departments will make a great deal of them uncomfortable, I'm sure.

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Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Though we've successfully reconstructed how to speak ancient Latin and Greek, I wonder how Greco-Romans would actually sound when speaking in practice? While I'm sure we could communicate once we got past matters of minutely unclear pronunciation, I'm nonetheless curious to speculate on how they might've truly sounded in life, despite the fact that we'll never pinpoint it for sure. That, and I'd think that there are a handful of words and trivial grammatical features that have either been forgotten or warped over thousands of years, both of which strike me as attributes that uptimer linguists would keep an eye out for.

Would the Greco-Romans be impressed or disappointed by our modern reconstruction of their languages, I wonder? They may be misled by our weird accents and some minor things we got wrong, but given a) their conspicuous lack of audio and recording technology to permanently store demonstrations of how to pronounce certain sounds and b) thousands of years of lost records and linguistic change, I'd hope that at least the reasonable among them have more charitable responses.

Similarly, how might Greco-Roman Anglophones sound when speaking modern English? Again, I know we'll never come up with a perfectly precise answer to that. But for the sake of argument, my intuitive (but uneducated) guess is that their accents would sound semi-Italian or something along those lines. Probably not British though, despite what pop culture might have general audiences believe for whatever reason.
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Even though they're not always historically accurate, I wonder what they'd make of contemporary works made in their likeness? This made-up anthem for the Roman Empire is a more convenient example of what I mean.

National Anthem of Roman Empire (Instrumental)
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Maybe this is an odd question, but I wonder what they'd think of modern political science and the hodgepodge of new and eccentric ideologies that have arisen since their time? We talked about obvious ones like communism and fascism (but not necessarily their various offshoots), though I believe that capitalism and liberal democracy--at least in the way that we practice it--would also seem pretty foreign.

There's also our tendency to place positions or platforms somewhere on a left-wing to right-wing spectrum, which isn't something they'd have been familiar with either. Further, if you tried to explain that left-wing generally means "liberal" or "progressive" while right-wing means "traditional" or "conservative", odds are that'd only raise further questions. Because again, the contrast (and relentless competition) between tradition and progress that defines recent history and our distinctly modern understanding of how things work is a convention that Greco-Romans didn't really have.

I also wonder if you could get a sizable share of downtimers who study these to start formulating their own political views and assigning themselves all sorts of ideological labels, such as Caesar realizing that he's a proud right-populist while Octavian now styles himself an ardent traditionalist (a Roman version of Jacob Rees-Mogg, perhaps).
 

CarlManvers2019

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I admittedly don’t know much about Greco-Roman civilization

But from what I understand there was more than one version of the Greek and Roman pantheon

And guys like the Macedonians although they worshipped “the same Gods” were not considered Greek and were considered “barbarians” by the rest

The Minoans or Cartheginians may have still worshipped Saturn or Kronos, but sacrificed actual babies to them
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Considering their reverence for oratory and public speaking, I wonder what they'd make of highly praised modern speakers and the speeches they delivered? Even leaving aside what'd probably be various different standards as to what a charismatic speechmaker sounds like or how a well put-together speech is written, the fact that microphones exist to amplify their voices--with radio, television, and the internet to broadcast them all over the world, as well as permanently archive them for future listening/viewing--would doubtlessly attract their notice.

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