Two Eagles and a Rising Sun: A Three Nation ISOT

Chapter 1: Prologue

Quickdraw101

Beware My Power-Green Lantern's Light
Now yall are probably wondering, Quickdraw, why the hell are you making another story? Don't you have half a dozen already active? If that is your question, then yes, I do have that many stories I'm working on. Why this very specific and kinda out there story? Well, I've been bouncing between Audiobooks this past week or so, and while contemplating my idea for an Island in the Sea of Time fanfic where the Canadian Atlantic is sent to year 8 AE with Nantucket, I got to thinking. What if we took the assorted empires and nations you see here, and fling them back in time. Now originally, I was going to send these to the Nantucket universe, to spice things up a bit. However, I decided to change things up. If I'd stuck with that idea, I considered putting the 13 colonies on the east coast, a modern Canadian Atlantic, and going from there. But Nantucket would be fucked 7 ways from Sunday, even with a modern Canadian Atlantic Fleet to back them up, should the Germans come knocking, or the Japanese decide to bushwhack every outpost they got in the Pacific.

So this is a new story idea I'm putting down. Still got plenty more rattling around my head, but those will come later. Please let me know what yall think of this one.
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The year is 1812. The French Fortress of Ciudad Rodrigo was overrun by a joint Anglo-Portuguese Army under Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington, the Flag of Argentina is raised over the city of Rosario during the Argentine War of Independence, the city of Caracas is devastated by powerful earthquake, and President James Madison of the United States had asked the U.S. Congress for a declaration of war against the United Kingdom. Napoleon Bonaparte is at the height of his power in Europe as he plans an invasion of Russia, and the war is officially declared between the United States, Great Britain, and Canada.

But then, bright flashes of light are seen around the world, and the world would forever be changed from that moment onward. Three great powers from different points in history are tossed onto Earth, overwriting and replacing whole nations. The mightiest nations and empires of 1812 now find themselves greatly outclassed by three new empires on the global stage, all of which seek to change the balance of power in the world. The British and French Empires face a Germany seeking dominance and a free hand in Europe. A Germany whose army numbering in the millions is marching to war east and west, ready to sweep aside all who stand in their way.

Japan seeks to exploit the weakness of the Europeans in Asia, while establishing its dream of creating a Greater East Asian Co Prosperity Sphere, even if it means going to war with the only nations who could possibly stand against them. With its armies in China now returned home, and its navy completely intact, Japan is free to pursue its goals of uniting Asia under the banner of the Rising Sun, which can be achieved now that its biggest rivals and obstacles have either disappeared or are extremely weak.

Meanwhile in North America, the United States of 1907 finds itself in the North America of 1812, soon to be locked in a war against the British Empire, just as The Great White Fleet prepares to set sail. President Theodore Roosevelt thrusts the nation onto the global stage quicker and more violently than anticipated, and America is in a position to cement itself as a great power. But with an America fractured into many pieces from throughout time, he may need to prevent a second civil war.

The states of Florida, California, Washington, the territories of Alaska and Hawaii, and the Canal Zone of 1943 find themselves ready and fighting a war that has yet to take place. With them came the territories of Wake and Guam from December 7th, 1941. Oregon, Arkansas, West Virginia, Vermont, New Hampshire, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Guantanamo Bay Naval base of 2024 find themselves thrown back in a past over a century behind them. While the future knowledge and technology brought along has the potential to elevate the United States to global superpower, the internal unrest and strife threaten to tear the country apart from the inside out.
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Chapter 2: Greetings Through the Sea of Time.

Quickdraw101

Beware My Power-Green Lantern's Light
'The world,' Private First Class Peter Jennings thought. 'Had gone straight to hell.' Just over two weeks ago, he'd been lounging in the USO lounge at Portland International Airport, as he and his unit had been withdrawn from the Korean-Chinese Border, and were being sent back to the states to rest, recover, and retrain.

Word had it they'd be heading to Europe next, most likely to the border of the now civil war torn Russian Federation. Ever since their failed multipronged invasions into Ukraine and the Baltics, the Russians had been dealt defeat after devastating defeat. In what everyone expected to be a long drawn out war against the mighty Russian Bear, turned into an utterly humiliating defeat, and rout from the Baltics to the Donbas.

And while tensions with China had flared up once more, he wasn't sure if being stationed in the Kaliningrad Occupation Zone, or within Belarus would be any safer. Not that it mattered now. He, like the rest of everyone in the state of Oregon, had been victims of a strange phenomenon that had flung them back in time to the year 1812. Only, they weren't the only victims of this strange occurrence either.

When the bright dome of light had finally dissipated, it became clear at least a few other states had come with them. Vermont, New Hampshire, Arkansas, West Virginia, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and the Naval Station at Guantanamo Bay, all had come back with them. But the world that surrounded them was completely alien to all who resided inside those places. Over 14 million Americans now found themselves surrounded by a country that, while technically still the United States, was over a century removed from the America they knew.

Most of the Lower 48, was of the United States as it stood in the year 1907, while California, Washington, Florida, and Alaska were as they stood in 1943. That had thrown everyone off, especially when radio reports came from Alaska talking about the defeat of Japanese forces, or in Hawaii about a resounding victory over the Japanese Navy.

Then there were the assorted radio messages from Guam and Wake Island who claimed it was 1941 and that they were preparing for a Japanese invasion. This had terrified many people to no end. Many had feared, before confirmation actually came through, that the Japanese Empire was once again alive, and back with a vengeance.

But perhaps most interesting of all was the assortment of Army, Navy, and Marine units from all across history found themselves distributed across the country, and were very much out of place. Many of the units in question weren't supposed to even be on the same continent, or in the case of some ships, still floating. Between and across Hawaii, California, and Washington, was an array of naval, marine, and army forces meant for the big push in late 1943, while Alaska held over 100,00 American and Canadian troops who just finished mopping up the Japanese forces on Attu and Kiska.

In Manila Bay, the convoy MS-5, with the USS Langley, two destroyers, an oiler, and an Australian corvette, sat with a small force of transport ships laden with men and materials for a war that no longer existed. In Washington state, all the men killed and ships sunk during the Guadalcanal Campaign manifest in and around the city of Seattle. In Florida, the US 1st Armored Corps, II Corps, and Eastern Task Force for Operation Torch found themselves all along Miami Beach, while the Naval Forces found themselves just off the coast. The 5th and 6th Marine Regiments that were present at the Battle of Belleau Wood, found themselves in the city of Washington D.C.

Units of the First Infantry Division that fought at the Battle of Cantigny found themselves in West Point. The all black regiments of the 92nd and 93rd Infantry Divisions were found wandering around Puerto Rico. In West Virginia, the entirety of the 45th Infantry Division, battle hardened from its campaign throughout Italy and Germany, were wandering around just north of Charleston. Meanwhile at Yeager International Airport, The Five TBF Avenger torpedo bombers of Flight 19, the 16 B-25's of Lieutenant Colonel Jimmy Doolittle's Tokyo Bombing group, and two B-29 Superfortress bombers, were parked wingtip to wingtip with each other.

In Oregon, airports across the state soon found themselves host to the 332nd Fighter Group and 477th Bomber Group, with all their pilots, ground crew, and planes. In Arkansas, the 442nd Regimental Combat Team was found wandering around Robinson MTC by members of the Arkansas Army National Guard, and the all black tank regiments of the 758th, 761st, and 784th tank Battalions in Fort Chaffee. Finally, off the Virgin Islands, appeared the carriers USS Lexington and USS Yorktown, alongside the vessels they sank with during the battles of the Coral Sea and Midway, as well as the Gearings Class Destroyer USS John Basilone, Cleveland Class Light Cruiser USS Little Rock, and Tench Class Submarine USS Tench, sat off the coast with dazed and confused crews.

There had been much confusion in the first few days after The Event. Soldiers and civilians from many different points in time meeting each other for the first time had caused more than a few incidents, some of which turned deadly. But by the third day, everyone realized that something needed to be done. Even more so when everyone with proper radio antennas were picking up transmissions from Tokyo and Berlin, which is how many learned that the German and Japanese Empires were also in this world.

Which was another problem. The German Empire of 1914, and the Japanese Empire of 1941, now shared this world with the United States. And the United States was, most part, dangerously behind them in industry and technology. Both had designs against America in the times they came from, especially Japan, who wanted a free hand in the Pacific.

Now instead of the massive industrial juggernaut the United States was in 1941, or even 1918, the America they faced was the still industrializing backwater of 1907. An America where the Navy was still modernizing in a time where the HMS Dreadnought had only been launched a year prior. While they might stand a chance against the Imperial German Navy, the Imperial Japanese Navy would slaughter them in any engagement.

That was why he and his platoon were gathered here today. The governors and highest ranking military officers left in the post 1907 states and territories had deemed it absolutely essential that they speak with the president. While most of the world was still using muskets and wooden warships, the other two displaced nations did not.

It had been 17 days since The Event happened, and Theodore Roosevelt, after making detours in West Virginia and Arkansas to inspect the military units stationed there, had finally hopped on a train, and came west to Oregon. It was there that he met with some of the finest military officers the United States had ever produced, alongside officers of the 21st century United States, and representatives of the same states. It was here they hoped they could come up with a plan to prepare the United States in the event of war with the Kaiser's Germany, or Hirohito's Japan.

As Jennings surveyed the street, he couldn't help but admire the sheer variety on display. Members of the 9th and 10th Cavalry, representing the United States of 1907, mounted on horses. U.S. Army Jeeps, GMC trucks, and halftracks with their machine guns facing westward towards the sky. Then the assortment of upgunned Humvees, M939 trucks, and even a few M1117 ASV's. It was impressive to the Americans of 1904, and those from WW2 loved the look of the National Guard vehicles, but for the Guardsmen themselves?

Knowing what awaited them in this world, they all wished they had something heavier. And they wished they had more of what they had.

"Hey buddy, you got a minute?" Someone called out from behind, and Jennings turned around to see a menagerie of troops standing before him. Soldiers, Sailors, and Marines, mostly of the Second World War variety, but some older, approached him. "Got a couple of questions to ask you, if you got the time." The same man, a Marine of the 1st MarDiv said.

"Sure thing," Jennings replied. "What do you wanna know?"

"We won the war, right?" The Marine asked.

"That much should be obvious," Jennings said, raising an eyebrow at the men. "Don't think we'd be flying the stars and stripes otherwise."

"Then why are those slant eyed sons a bitches here?" One of the soldiers, one with a thick southern drawl, said from behind the Marine, quite loudly to boot. As he said it, an assortment of eyes fixed themselves onto him, and more than a few of the Guardsmen gripped their rifles tighter.

"I reckon you better watch your mouth, son," Sergeant DaQuan Roberts said, his own South Carolinian drawl just as thick as the soldier's. Now more of his platoon stepped forward, and Jennings could hear safeties click off their rifles. The soldier in question looked ready to explode in anger, but a marine and sailor both grabbed his shoulder, and shoved him back.

"Ignore that dumb bastard," Another Marine, this one with the stripes of a Sergeant on his sleeves said. "But we are curious, why exactly are they here?" He said, pointing behind them, and to the small group of American, German, and Canadian soldiers standing alongside the National Guardsmen.

"Some of them were guards for the consulates, but most were training in Washington and here in Oregon when everything happened," Jennings said. "Some were on leave after training or were enroute to their next training location, and got stranded here."

"You ain't gotta worry about them though, they might have been our worst enemy in your time, but are our best allies in our time." Lieutenant Denise Harper added. "Besides, from what I just heard, we're gonna fucking need it." she said, allowing a small smirk to show on her lips as the various downtimers looked at her in shock, either at her color and rank, or her choice of language.

"And what might that be?" Another man, this time an Army Captain whose uniform identified him as being from the 1907 US Army. A man who looked awfully familiar to a few of them.

"Captain John Pershing?" Sergeant Roberts asked, tilting his head slightly, and seeming to slightly startle the man. He looked down at his rank insignia and chuckled slighlty.

"Left my up to date uniforms behind, this still had captain's bars on it." The man said. "But yes, that's me, Brigadier John Pershing. Is there something I can help you with?"

Without any hesitation on his part, Sergeant Roberts stepped forward and offered his hand to Pershing, which he took, albeit with some hesitation himself. It was soon followed by an out thrust hand from Lieutenant Harper, which Pershing also accepted.

"May I ask what this is about, Lieutenant, Sergeant?" Pershing asked, genuinely confused now.

"Thank you for giving us and those like us a chance, sir!" Harper said, nodding over to some of the 9th and 10th cavalry men who stood behind him.

"Ah, I understand now," Pershing said, nodding his head. "I guess I'm remembered rather fondly then, ain't I?"

"That you are sir," Roberts replied.

"Of course Nigger Jack is loved by a bunch of-" the same soldier from before began before being cut off.

"Jesus Christ you damn hick, I'm gonna have Manny here knock you out if you don't start showing some respect, especially to a lady!" The Marine Sergeant from before snapped, and two other Sergeants flanked the man on both sides, staring at him intently. "I don't give a damn what color she is, but she's an officer, and if you don't show some respect, we'll show you how it's done in New York!" He threatened.

The soldier turned an even darker shade of red than he was before, cast one final glare at Lieutenant Harper and Sergeant Roberts, and stalked off, with one of his buddies in tow. When they were finally gone, the Sergeant turned back around to face the Lieutenant.

"I swear, some guys' mommas never dished out proper discipline!" He chuckled.

"No way! No freaking way!" Specialist Stephanie Flores said as she practically leapt towards the three Marines, who looked rather surprised at the outburst. "Sergeants John Basilone, James Morgan, and Manuel Rodriguez!?" She said, more a statement than a question.

"Yes, that's right?" Basilone replied. "Are you telling me that this sorry bastard is famous too?" He asked, thumbing a finger at Sergeant Morgan."

"Fuck you!" Morgan muttered jovially, just loud enough for him to hear.

"Sergeant Basilone, you're a legend in the Marine Corps!" She practically squealed.

"Oh yeah, forgot to mention she's a prior service Marine." Jennings added. "She just wanted an easier gig after four years with the Crayon Eating Corps."

"Insult the name of my beloved Corps again, pinche pendejo and I'll-" The rest of her short tirade in Spanish, while going over the heads of most present, made Sergeant Rodriguez laugh hysterically, and Lieutenant Harper shook her head.

"I think a lot of you boys from across time will find just how loved you really are in the future," Harper said. "That said, I do believe I should update you all on our current situation, because it's looking pretty damn grim."

"Do go on, Lieutenant." Pershing prompted.

"We're all ears ma'am." Sergeant Basilone concurred.
 
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Subredditzero

New member
This is a great idea! I actually logged on today to see if The Eagle and the Bear had updated but this is just as interesting.

I think I remember reading a gate fanfic years ago written by you on Spacebattles, if I remember correctly you seem to have improved quite a bit. I hope this gets updated regularly.
 

Quickdraw101

Beware My Power-Green Lantern's Light
This is a great idea! I actually logged on today to see if The Eagle and the Bear had updated but this is just as interesting.

I think I remember reading a gate fanfic years ago written by you on Spacebattles, if I remember correctly you seem to have improved quite a bit. I hope this gets updated regularly.
Yeah, I started writing when I was like 16. I'm 22 now so I better have improved in that time. That said, UNDF will be updated fairly soon. What you think about this though?
 

Doomsought

Well-known member
Remember, the 1907 is prior to Woodrow Wilson, and during Roosevelt's presidency. Which means segregation in the Federal government, including the armed forces, was at a local nadir, and race relations where at their peak before the sudden decline in the next few decades.
 

ATP

Well-known member
Yeah, I started writing when I was like 16. I'm 22 now so I better have improved in that time. That said, UNDF will be updated fairly soon. What you think about this though?
1907 - there is no Fed yet.Wall Street could be still stopped from taking over USA and turning it into lgbt hellhole.
Remember - worst american enemies are not peussians from 1914 or japaneese from 1941,but Wall Street - people who planned to enslave you,and started making it in 1913 when they created Feds.

Europe would be taken by prussians,but - they were not genocidal monsters yet.I mean they were,but in Africa,worst what they did in Europe was beating few polish children to death for speaking polish in school.

So,for almost all invaded lands,including England,people would live better under prussian yoke from 1914 then they lived in 1914.

Japan - depend,how they would behave.They could be monsters,like in Nankin,or almost cyvilized occupants,like in Indochina.
All in all - again,they would be no worst then goverments from 1812/usually/

So,forget about saving world,made USA stronger and kill bansksters till they are relatively weak.USA should think about themselves first,even if it mean prussian occupation of Europe and japaneese occupation of Asia.
 

Quickdraw101

Beware My Power-Green Lantern's Light
Remember, the 1907 is prior to Woodrow Wilson, and during Roosevelt's presidency. Which means segregation in the Federal government, including the armed forces, was at a local nadir, and race relations where at their peak before the sudden decline in the next few decades.
Yep, and without the conditions of the First World War and the presidency of Woodrow Wilson, race relations won't decline the same way they did OTL. On the other hand, two southern states, one west coast state, and Puerto Rico with no segregation will piss off many a white folks in 1907. Seeing the future of America will certainly make some people proud, but many will see it as a mongrel nation. Especially the way the US military is structured.
 

ATP

Well-known member
Yep, and without the conditions of the First World War and the presidency of Woodrow Wilson, race relations won't decline the same way they did OTL. On the other hand, two southern states, one west coast state, and Puerto Rico with no segregation will piss off many a white folks in 1907. Seeing the future of America will certainly make some people proud, but many will see it as a mongrel nation. Especially the way the US military is structured.
All true - but what really made them angry would be state schools with lgbt+52 "values"
Going to one school with black kids is one thing,and many 1907 americans could stpmach it,but let your children be molested by dudes pretending to be womans is another thing.

I think,that natural reaction of each and every parent from 1907 would be "kill it with fire" - and they would care about that,not some 1812 european conqered by Kaise,and even more no about asiatic people geing persecuted by 1941 Japan.

Becouse,you knew,your kids are ALWAYS more important then some strangers.

P.S In this scenario ,americans from 2024 could hunt lgbt+52 molestors on their own,too - or,at least,run to other states.
 
Chapter 3: The Battle of Tsingtao

Quickdraw101

Beware My Power-Green Lantern's Light
Jiaozhou Bay, Shandong Peninsula
Kiautschou Bay Leased Territory, City of Tsingtao
German Empire
September 1914/June 1812


Officially, 1st Lieutenant Jack Evans was just another American tourist on a trip through China. One where he indulged himself in the pleasures to be found in the various westernized cities of said country, and generally just having a good time. And if he was being honest with himself, he was having a good time.

Unofficially though, he was sent to reconnoiter various ports and military installations across this region of China, specifically the Japanese port of Riojun, and the German port of Tsingtao. While the United States wasn't at war with either nation, the two aforementioned nations were rivals to the United States, and posed a threat to America's Pacific holdings. The United States needed to be prepared for the eventuality of war with either nation, and that's how Evans found himself in Tsingtao in the first place.

Not long after arriving in the city, war had broken out between the Triple Entente and the Triple Alliance, and Japan, in accordance with the Anglo-Japanese, had joined Britain in its war against Germany. Japan then gave Germany an ultimatum to withdraw from its holdings in China, or face consequences. The Kaiser, who had stated that the fall of Tsingtao to Japan would be worse than Berlin falling to the Russians. Thus, he had ordered his soldiers and sailors to defend the city.

Before long, the city and port was under siege by forces of the British and Japanese Empires, and Lieutenant Evans was stuck right in the middle of it. A few days later, British and Japanese ships had been sighted off the coast, and German coastal batteries opened fire on them. What few German ships were present dared not sortie in the face of the overwhelming superiority of the British and Japanese fleets. Then, on September 2nd, a bright flash of light overtook the city, and everything changed.

A bright flash of light, which Evans first took for a massive explosion, reflexively made him hit the ground, and shield himself from any potential shrapnel. Everyone around him had done the same thing. But there was no sound, no explosion, no shaking of the Earth. Nothing. When he got up and dusted himself off, he noticed nothing out of the ordinary. In fact, nothing seemed to have changed at all.

The only thing that seemed to have changed was the site of a Japanese destroyer that ran aground in the bay, which soon found itself being shelled by the German gunboats, who promptly sank her. It was then that Evans noticed something was wrong. As he looked out into the bay, most of the British and Japanese ships were gone, and everything outside the city looked…different. Settlements and towns that were once outside the territory controlled by the Germans were either gone, or weren't the same as before.

The German defenders rejoiced at what seemed to be an act of god favoring the Germans, as what few ships remained in the bay soon withdrew further out, and the yellow skinned hordes of Japanese troops they had expected, didn't come. The Germans had won before the siege had even started. Or so it had seemed.

A few days later, a group of strange looking and very fast planes flew over the port, obviously performing reconnaissance, but otherwise not attacking. It was then that the Germans sent up planes of their own, two Etrich Taube monoplanes, to try and investigate. That was a mistake. One of the strange planes swooped down onto the German planes, lights began to wink on its wings, followed by the booming sound of cannon fire, and the German planes practically disintegrated mid air.

Some of the Germans fired on the planes, which also proved to be a fatal mistake. Two of the planes dove down towards the ground and opened fire on groups of German soldiers. Evans watched in horror as the green colored planes, guns firing away all the while, turned large groups of men into bloody chunks of meat all across the street and walls of the city. But what terrified Evans even more was the sight of the Rising Sun on the wings of the planes, identifying them as Japanese planes.

But that wasn't possible! Not even Britain, Germany, or the United States had planes that fast, or that well armed! How could a bunch of yellow skinned, slant eyed savages create such things? Then he thought back to the Russo-Japanese War, where the Russians had been utterly humiliated repeatedly by the Japanese Empire, and had been defeated by Japan. Such a victory had stunned the world, and made many reevaluate their opinions on Japan, and what they were capable of.

But what Evans had seen shouldn't have been possible. The planes he'd seen looked nothing like anything anyone had! None of this made any sense. Luckily, things were quiet for the next few days, with the eerie silence of the streets punctuated only by the droning of plane engines overhead. Planes that were larger than the ones before, and in far greater numbers.

A single Japanese battleship, one cruiser, and one British battleship, with two destroyers still remained just off the coast, well out of the range of German guns. Despite this, the ships present in port did not attempt to sortie, as they were still hopelessly outgunned. Then, many smoke trails became visible over the horizon, and by the following day, a massive fleet, one much larger than had been present previously, took up positions outside the bay, effectively blockading it.

Then there was the Japanese division which landed the day of the bright flash, and which was also surrounding the city. Things looked bleak for the German and Austro-Hungarian defenders of Tsingtao.

Then, two days later, three boats, under flag of truce, rowed to port. One boat was all British sailors, while the other two were mostly Japanese, with a few white faces mixed in with them. Faces he didn't recognize, and one which wore a uniform that looked German, but clearly wasn't. Some were even Americans.

Evans followed the group as inconspicuously as he could until they reached the administrative building, at which point he couldn't follow. What he could do was hang around and watch the building. After about an hour, some of the men who escorted the Japanese and British inside, walked out of the building, and looked pale. The expressions on their faces were a mixture of disbelief, shock, anger, and fear. It was then that Evans decided he could afford to get a little bit closer, and as subtly as he could, approached a street vendor that was nearby, and pretended to browse while listening in on the conversation between a group of German soldiers.

"They say they are from the year 1941 and that this city belongs to them in that year, and that they want it back!" One of them said.

"That's impossible! How could they be from the future? Those slant eyed savages are obviously lying." A second replied. "Those yellow skinned bastards just want us to surrender without a siege! Look at the fleet they had off our shores and how it disappeared! They are desperate!"

"He's not lying Günter!" A third voice protested. "They brought British, German, and even Americans with them. Ones who also claim to come from the future, and ones who don't wish to see us slaughtered by the Japanese. They say that Germany and Japan are allies against Britain in the future, and that they wish to avoid further bloodshed!"

This made Evans raise an eyebrow and briefly turn his head towards the Germans, who were too focused on each other to notice him. Future Americans?

"You saw what their planes did to Johan's squad!" The first voice added. "They pulverized them and nothing we fired at them did a damn thing! They have a fleet larger than any we've ever seen just off the coast, and you know full well help isn't coming!"

"They are even in contact with Berlin right now!" The third voice said. "They are trying to work out a solution so they don't have to take this port by force."

"And if we refuse to surrender the city?" Günter asked, a smug expression on his face clearly visible as Evans looked back once more. "What will they do then, Josef?"

Josef swallowed and let out a ragged sigh before answering.

"Our own future consulate staff, as well as the British and Americans, told us about what the Japanese Army did in its war against China in the future. They acted like pure savages, raping, murdering, and burning whole cities, and they said if we didn't give them the city, and force them to take it, they'll brutalize it while taking it!" Josef explained, his fists tightening around the sling of his rifle. "Take a look out there, Günter! Look at those ships, those planes that fly over our heads every day! If we try to defend this city, we will lose!"

As if on cue, a dozen planes flew overhead, the roar of their engines drowning out all sound below them. The smaller of the planes flew downward, flying overhead at rooftop height far faster than anything they'd ever seen before. The Japanese were taunting the Germans, and showing them they couldn't fight back. Even Günter looked uncomfortable as he looked up at the planes, as if finally realizing the futility of resistance.

"You said they are in contact with Berlin?" Günter asked, and the other man nodded. "What makes you think the Kaiser will believe what he's told? Maybe he'll just order us to hold this city anyway, and then we'll all die."

"That's…the other thing. There are panicked reports coming from Berlin. Something about a large French Army armed with muskets and cannon on the border of Alsace and Poland. And something about the year 1812." Josef said, and Günter looked at him as if he were mad. But before he could say something, the first man picked up where Josef left off.

"And something about the United States we only heard bits and pieces of. Point is Günter, something very bad has happened! We all saw that light, and then this all happened! We are needed back home to defend The Reich, not lording over some slant eyed Chinese peasants in this shithole! If the Japanese want it, let them have it!"

Once more, engines droned overhead as yet another flight, this time much larger than the previous, flew overhead. Most of the planes were larger ones, with a few smaller ones escorting it along the side. They flew further inland, over the nearby villages and towns that surrounded the city and its port.

"What the hell!" Evans exclaimed as he watched men begin to jump out of the large planes, white parachutes opening after them as they slowly floated down to the ground. Hundreds, maybe even thousands of soldiers were landing all around the base. Within minutes, they'd have the base surrounded, and would begin to dig in. If they kept this up, they'd outnumber the defending Germans in a few days. And if that fleet, and all those planes were any indication of what the Japanese could do…things looked bleak for the defenders of Tsingtao. Come to think of it, things didn't look good for him either, or any of the white people residing in the city.

"Maybe you're right, Ludwig," Günter said, letting out a tired sigh, his face showing a degree of hopelessness as he looked up at the planes. "But what's to stop the Japanese from demanding Samoa or New Guinea next? We took these lands at great cost to us, and we need them for our empire! Our navy especially needs the coaling stations we've set up on them!"

"None of that will matter if the Japanese take the city by force!" Ludwig argued. "We can't rely on help from Germany, nor our navy! Or do you not recall what happened to the Russians in 1905?"

Günter winced at the thought. He was a little boy when the Russians sent their Baltic Fleet to fight the Japanese Navy in the Tsushima Strait. The battle had been a one sided massacre that saw nearly the entire Russian fleet destroyed or captured, including all its battleships. Granted, most Germans viewed the Russians as little more than barbarians, but they were still white men, and a great power in Europe to boot. The defeat of the Russian Navy forced serious changes in how the German Empire viewed and dealt with the Japanese from then on.

"Yeah, I remember," Günter grudgingly replied. "But we've already lost Samoa to the Australians and New Zealanders, and they should have already invaded New Guinea. This is our last colony in the Pacific that we still control!" Again, Ludwig shook his head.

"No, Günter, it's not!" Ludwig insisted. "Yes, the New Zealanders have landed on Samoa, and the Australians have attacked New Guinea, but no invasion force has taken New Guinea, and there never will be!"

"What do you mean?"

"We are still in contact with Germany, as well as New Guinea, and even Samoa! That same flash of light we saw here happened there too! All over the Empire! They've reported the same things we have here! Everything outside of Germany looks completely different! No fortifications on the French border, no Royal Navy in the North Sea, nothing. Our planes even flew unmolested over France, and not even the Eiffel Tower could be seen in Paris!"

"How is that possible?" Günter said incredulously.

"God has smiled on us, Günter!" Josef added with a wide smile. "In all his wisdom, he has sent The Reich back in time! Back in time to a Europe where Napoleon's Army is the strongest force in the land, and the French soldiers we've captured have said as such!"

"As hard as it is to believe, one needs only look outside the walls of this city to see the truth," Ludwig said. "This is not the China we knew only a few days ago. This is not the world we knew a few days ago. This is a world where we can have the empire we've dreamed of having! An empire that spans all across Europe, and even across Africa and the Americas!"

"But not Asia," Günter grumbled. "And what of the Americans? You said they are still around, right?"

"Bah!" Ludwig waved a hand at the question. "The Americans are nothing but farmers and mechanics, not soldiers! If we choose to take Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Panama, what could they do? Their pitiful little army and inexperienced navy is no match for our own!"

Evans scowled as he overhead the Germans insulting his nation's military. Sure, America had a small army compared to the major European empires, but the United States Navy was first class! They had proven this in 1907 with the launch of the Great White Fleet and the subsequent two year voyage they made around the world. The German Navy had no such feat under its belt, it hadn't even fired a shot in anger in all its young existence.

"Besides, what we're getting via the transatlantic cables keep saying it's the year 1907 over and over again, with some smatterings of obvious lies, or exaggerations. The Americans seem to be in complete disarray right now, and are in no position to oppose us." Josef said. And after all, it was the British who enforced the Monroe Doctrine, not the United States. If the Americans try to oppose us, they will be swept aside."

Evans didn't care to listen anymore. He stood up straight and began walking down the street back to the small room he rented in the tourist quarter. He needed some time alone, time to think about what had happened. What the Germans had said wasn't making any sense. French Musketeers and no Eiffel Tower? The United States in the year 1907? Japan from decades in the future? Just what was happening? He had a feeling he'd find out soon enough.
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Two days after the envoys left the city the bombardment began. Destroyers, cruisers, and battleships unleashed a hellish bombardment upon the port city while dozens of planes soured across the sky, dropping impossibly large bombs, and raking the defenders with machine gun and cannon fire. Explosion after explosion shook the city as Japanese forces pounded the city. From where Evans stood, he could see out into the bay, where the massive Japanese Fleet stood.

Flashes of light blinked in the distance as explosive shells were lobbed into the city from many miles offshore, laying the various fortifications in the city to waste. The first of such fortifications to be targeted was the battery of two 9.4 inch guns in Fort Moltke, located on the left wing of the city. The battery got off but a single volley before the replying naval gunfire impacted in and around the fort, detonating the stores of ammunition, and creating a massive explosion.

Next was the fortifications atop Hill Iltis and its battery of 9.4 inch guns. Guns which fired on Japanese landing boats who began to swarm onto the beaches. Two of the shells found their mark, and the landing craft disintegrated from the hits. However, a flight of Japanese planes roared overhead, dropping large bombs onto the fortification, and silencing the defenses of Fort Iltis.

The last of the major forts was Fort Bismarck, which held four 11 inch howitzers that had been firing nonstop since the bombardment began. The guns of Fort Bismarck were perhaps the luckiest of the German artillery, as they had managed to land several hits on Japanese warships out in the bay in support of the handful of ships the German defenders had. But the guns of Fort Bismarck would quickly draw the ire of Japanese battleships in the bay, as well as from Japanese aircraft.

After 20 minutes, the guns of Fort Bismarck fired for the last time, as two 11 inch shells landed atop a Japanese cruiser, the IJN Takachiho, which was loaded with 120 naval mines meant to be laid around the port's entrance. The initial explosion of the shells set off a chain reaction which would rip the ship apart, and sink her minutes later with all hands lost.

With the forts now reduced to ruins, the Japanese pressed the attack. All that was left to stand in the way of the horde of Japanese landing craft approaching the city were the smaller batteries and redoubts, some with obsolete pieces of Chinese artillery, and a handful of small vessels in the harbor.

Unfortunately for the Germans, since the Austro-Hungarian cruiser had departed with the British ships, and the single cruiser they did have was unfit for combat, what ships they did have consisted of a single torpedo boat and four Iltis Class gunboats. The five ships steamed out of the harbor while under heavy air attack, and maneuvered to confront the Japanese.

The sailors aboard the ships put up a stiff and valiant resistance, but were heavily outnumbered, and outmatched by nearly 30 years of technological progress. Over and over again, Japanese planes strafed and shot up the gunboats, who desperately fired their machine guns up at their attackers. They had even managed to shoot down two Japanese planes over the course of the engagement, but the writing was on the wall.

First to sink was the SMS Iltis herself, after a Japanese plane that was crippled by fire from the SMS Luchs, crashed into her midships into her smokestacks. Fires burned uncontrollably before she suddenly exploded, the fires having reached her ammunition magazine. Next to go was Luchs herself, having finally succumbed to over a dozen planes simultaneously strafing her, and sending her down to the bottom of the bay.

SMS Jaguar was hit directly by two 10 inch shells from the IJN Suwo, flagship of Vice Admiral Kato Sadakichi. One moment she was there, the next she was gone, the shells of the once Russia, but now Japanese battleship atomizing her. The last gunboat, SMS Tiger, managed to get directly in front of, and into the massive force of landing craft, and exacted a heavy price of men and equipment on the Japanese attackers.

Post battle analysis would later show that Tiger had claimed nine separate landing craft, two of which were carrying a Type 95 and Type 97 tank respectively. Ultimately, SMS Tiger would be sunk by the combined efforts of the Japanese naval air forces, as a 550 pound bomb was dropped directly atop her stern, destroying the propeller, and leaving her dead in the water. Minutes later, she would sink.

The single torpedo boat, SMS S90 had fared no better than her compatriots in the gunboats. She had three torpedo tubes and a total of five torpedoes. Her crew, knowing they were already dead men, fired them in a wide spread towards the enemy, managing to quickly reload the last two before multiple shells from Japanese destroyers and cruisers sunk her. The Whitehead torpedoes were ancient compared to what the Japanese Navy had, they were still deadly in the tightly packed waters off Tsingtao.

One of the torpedoes struck a Japanese destroyer, inflicting minor damage, and forcing the ship to withdraw. Another impacted directly into a Soukoutei Class Gunboat, which obliterated the craft upon contact. The other three however, hit nothing. The Japanese ships either maneuvered around them, or simply lay beyond the reach of the torpedoes.

Japanese pilots and sailors would go on to talk about the courage and valor of the men aboard those ships, how they stood and fought against impossible odds, and Vice Admiral Sadakichi himself ordered that all the survivors from those boats be taken directly to his flagship, and to be treated humanely.

Because with the last of the German's major defenses destroyed, they could now press on unabated. Inside the city, German soldiers and citizens alike looked on in abject horror as what fortifications they had left were torn asunder, massive holes were blown open in the city walls, and planes strafed and bombed as they pleased.

Evans watched in horror and amazement as Japanese troops poured into the city from all sides. Strange vehicles with tracks and equipped with what he assumed were light cannon accompanied them, and blew apart any infantry or machine gun nest that dared stand in their way. In places where German defenders inflicted heavy losses, Japanese troops continued to charge forward, letting out ear splitting cries of;

BANZAI!

BANZAI!


BANZAI!

As they went along. Some Japanese officers even charged with swords, and slashed soldiers and civilians alike in a bloody fervor. He saw Japanese soldiers butcher surrendering soldiers and innocent civilians, even bayonetting women who tried to fight off being raped. It was a sickening and gruesome sight.

He and the other foreign citizens in the city could gaze at the utter carnage before them, fearing just what the Japanese would do if they came across them. They did their best to hide, but Japanese forces were overrunning the city, and pushing the beleaguered German defenders into a smaller and smaller perimeter. Before long, they had them pushed back around the administrative quarter of the city, and German soldiers carrying white flags came forward to the Japanese lines.

The two sides talked back and forth for some time, but it was clear by the expressions on the face of the Germans what was being said. From the first shots fired by the Japanese Navy, to the landing of Japanese Marines and soldiers on the beaches around the city, it had taken less than a day for the city to fall. Soon, scores of tired, angry, wounded, and miserable looking German troops were paraded through the streets of Tsingtao, while joyous Japanese soldiers stood guard around them, cheering, throwing curses, or even kicking and punching the downtrodden Germans.

Everyone thought it was over. Vice Admiral Waldeck and his forces had surrendered, and the Japanese Empire was victorious. The Japanese would add another city to their expanding empire, and before long they'd be repatriated to some neutral nation until things could be settled. But they were wrong.

The horrors and atrocities that awaited many of them, what would be inflicted upon the city's inhabitants, and what would be inflicted upon him, would stay with Lieutenant Evans for the rest of his life.
 

ATP

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Bad for Tsingatao people,good for USA.Japan now is Kaiser enemy.

That aside,:
1.What with british fleet from 1914 near Tsingatao? where they go? not to England,they could not support them there.
And how big is it?
2.What with Samoa hold by 1914 New Zealand troops?How many of them is there?
3.What with 1914 japaneese fleet? would they be happy in 1941? in 1914 Japan was honorouable country,after all.
4.What A-H cruiser from 1914 would do? they could not come back to Austria,too.

Brits could go to USA,but A-H cruiser?

P.S From USA point of viev - goverment from 2024 which want gave their childrfen to lgbt molesters is still more dangerous then german taking Europe,of Japan taking Asia and Pacyfic.

P.P.S Who hold Hawaii ? becouse,if it is still free,King could play USA against Japan and try to remind independent.
If it is arleady occupied by USA,then they are fucked.

And - germans used 210mm guns,not 234mm
 
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@Quickdraw101 ,you forget about other worlds you created:

1. 1941 with Japan from 1812 - soviets get Japan,USA Okinawa,notching change in long run except 5M more soviet victims and postsoviet Japan now.

2. 1914 with 1812 german states,they get partitioned by France,A-H ,Russia and even Denmark.
No WW1 here,Kings keeps their power.

3.1907 world with most of USA from 1812 - England and Mexico take whatever they can,even Germany and France could take some colonies.
WW1 still occur,but without USA entire Europe bleed till we have revolution and gulags everywhere.

4.1943 USA with few 1812 states - notching change

5. 2024 USA with few 1812 states - notching change,too.
 

ATP

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@Quickdraw101 ,you forget about other worlds you created:

1. 1941 with Japan from 1812 - soviets get Japan,USA Okinawa,notching change in long run except 5M more soviet victims and postsoviet Japan now.

2. 1914 with 1812 german states,they get partitioned by France,A-H ,Russia and even Denmark.
No WW1 here,Kings keeps their power.

3.1907 world with most of USA from 1812 - England and Mexico take whatever they can,even Germany and France could take some colonies.
WW1 still occur,but without USA entire Europe bleed till we have revolution and gulags everywhere.

4.1943 USA with few 1812 states - notching change

5. 2024 USA with few 1812 states - notching change,too.
I forget few things:

1.1941 - Hokkaido from 1812 was still in Ajnu hands,even when they were Tokugawa servants, so after 1941 we would have soviet settlers there - and,after 1991,it would remain part of Russia,like Kuriles now.

2.There would be Russia vs England war here,but dunno if it develop into WW or not.

3.Most fucked scenario,we would have global soviets here,unless Japan and Americas manage to hold.

4. Indians from 1812 would be not genocided,but still lost their lands

5.2024 - indians would be not genocided,and actually keep their lands.
 

Quickdraw101

Beware My Power-Green Lantern's Light
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“So, this is how it is?” President Theodore Roosevelt asked with a severe look on his face. “This is what the United States now faces?”

“I’m afraid so, Mr President,” Replied Major General Michael Stencel, the Adjutant Commander of the Oregon National Guard. “The situation we now face is more grim than it appears and it will only get worse as time progresses.”

“I must admit, this is not what I expected to hear when I arrived.” Theodore Roosevelt said in a dour tone, his face equally as severe. “After seeing those technological marvels in West Virginia, Florida, and Arkansas, as well as those lovely Marines in Washington, I was under the impression that we’d be far ahead of the German and Japanese Empires.”

“In many respects Mr President, we very much are,” Said Tina Kotek, governor of the state of Oregon. “As you’ve seen for yourself, we’re leaps and bounds ahead of both Germany and Japan in many respectives.”

Roosevelt and those he brought with him viewed the governor rather strangely. There were no female senators or congressmen anywhere else in the country, yet here she was. A female governor of a state with a population of over four million people. A female governor with a wife! Yet despite how so many of those in the room looked at her, she seemed completely unbothered by it. The same could be said with the assortment of civilian and military leadership he’d seen from these “21st Century States”.

“But as we’ve said previously, our biggest problem is our supply chains,” Said Lieutenant General Delos Emmons, the Commanding General of the Western Defence Command. “We’re completely cut off from most of our sources of supply. While we have large amounts of men and material all around the West Coast, as well as a number of factories, we’ll have the Devil’s own time keeping said factories running.”

“I will say however that the forces we have are more than enough to protect our shores from either The Kaiser or the Japs.” Admiral Chester Nimitz added, the expression on his face mirroring that of President Roosevelt, and many of the senior Army and Navy officers in the room.

He was the man chosen by Franklin Roosevelt to lead the fight against the Japanese in the Pacific. He had been given orders by Roosevelt to get out to Pearl Harbor and not come back until the United States sat in Tokyo Bay, and the Japanese Empire was no more. And just when the United States had begun to gain the upper hand in the Pacific, and ready to hit back against the Japanese, “The Event” happened, sending nearly the entire Pacific Coast back in time, and depriving the United States of so many men, ships, and bases it would need to fight Japan.

This was something on the minds of so many of his fellow officers who hailed from the year 1943. What would become of the United States back home? Would Japan prevail in the Pacific now that every major installation and ship from Honolulu to San Francisco was now gone? Would the United States have to sign a peace with Japan? Nimitz dreaded to think about that, and tried to focus on the current situation.

“We we’re gearing up for a large push towards the Central Pacific when this ‘Event’ happened, and even discounting the ships which have seemingly come back from the grave, have a substantial number of ships up and down the Pacific Coast. If they try to invade the United States or anywhere on this continent, we can, and will beat them back.” Vice Admiral William Halsey said with great confidence.
 

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“So, this is how it is?” President Theodore Roosevelt asked with a severe look on his face. “This is what the United States now faces?”

“I’m afraid so, Mr President,” Replied Major General Michael Stencel, the Adjutant Commander of the Oregon National Guard. “The situation we now face is more grim than it appears and it will only get worse as time progresses.”

“I must admit, this is not what I expected to hear when I arrived.” Theodore Roosevelt said in a dour tone, his face equally as severe. “After seeing those technological marvels in West Virginia, Florida, and Arkansas, as well as those lovely Marines in Washington, I was under the impression that we’d be far ahead of the German and Japanese Empires.”

“In many respects Mr President, we very much are,” Said Tina Kotek, governor of the state of Oregon. “As you’ve seen for yourself, we’re leaps and bounds ahead of both Germany and Japan in many respectives.”

Roosevelt and those he brought with him viewed the governor rather strangely. There were no female senators or congressmen anywhere else in the country, yet here she was. A female governor of a state with a population of over four million people. A female governor with a wife! Yet despite how so many of those in the room looked at her, she seemed completely unbothered by it. The same could be said with the assortment of civilian and military leadership he’d seen from these “21st Century States”.

“But as we’ve said previously, our biggest problem is our supply chains,” Said Lieutenant General Delos Emmons, the Commanding General of the Western Defence Command. “We’re completely cut off from most of our sources of supply. While we have large amounts of men and material all around the West Coast, as well as a number of factories, we’ll have the Devil’s own time keeping said factories running.”

“I will say however that the forces we have are more than enough to protect our shores from either The Kaiser or the Japs.” Admiral Chester Nimitz added, the expression on his face mirroring that of President Roosevelt, and many of the senior Army and Navy officers in the room.

He was the man chosen by Franklin Roosevelt to lead the fight against the Japanese in the Pacific. He had been given orders by Roosevelt to get out to Pearl Harbor and not come back until the United States sat in Tokyo Bay, and the Japanese Empire was no more. And just when the United States had begun to gain the upper hand in the Pacific, and ready to hit back against the Japanese, “The Event” happened, sending nearly the entire Pacific Coast back in time, and depriving the United States of so many men, ships, and bases it would need to fight Japan.

This was something on the minds of so many of his fellow officers who hailed from the year 1943. What would become of the United States back home? Would Japan prevail in the Pacific now that every major installation and ship from Honolulu to San Francisco was now gone? Would the United States have to sign a peace with Japan? Nimitz dreaded to think about that, and tried to focus on the current situation.

“We we’re gearing up for a large push towards the Central Pacific when this ‘Event’ happened, and even discounting the ships which have seemingly come back from the grave, have a substantial number of ships up and down the Pacific Coast. If they try to invade the United States or anywhere on this continent, we can, and will beat them back.” Vice Admiral William Halsey said with great confidence.
Thanks to 2024 knowledge,they arleady knew,that Japan have no capability to invade USA,so no need to worry about that.

1943 world could be better here - becouse FDR must send everytching on Pacyfic,and stop suppling soviet genociders.
As a result.soviets would advance slover,and at least part of Central and South Europe would remain free.
Althought Poland probably still would be enslaved,USA from 1943 really wonted us genocided.

Oregon lesbian - she could be happy being one,but americans from older times would be not happy with children being brainwashed by lgbt.And,americans from 2024 states could run to normal ones - as long as they are white.

Which leave us in situation,where american public from 1907,1941 and 1943 would consider 2024 USA as bigger threat to the,then Japan or Kaiser.
And rightly so,becouse they did notching to them yet,when lgbt aready is brainwashing american kids.

They simply must ask themselves - who is more important for me,european kids which could be murdered by germans,asiatic kids which could be murdered by japaneese,or american kids which could be raped by lgbt?
 
Chapter 4: Signals Intelligence

Quickdraw101

Beware My Power-Green Lantern's Light
Let's see how many people understand just what happened here, and what it might mean.

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Chapter Two
Salem, Oregon
United States of America
June 28th, 2024/ November 1st 1943/July 1812
Oregon State Capitol


"It seems the Germans and Japanese both have gotten over at least some of the confusion, and have got their bearings in order just enough to figure out what has happened." Lieutenant Harper said. "They know that they've been sent back in time, they know about each other, and they know about us."

"But do they know the specifics, or are they just vaguely aware we are here?" Private Jennings asked, and Harper just shrugged.

"The Germans seem to have the clearest idea out of the two. The transatlantic cables between the United States and Germany are somehow still present, and radio receivers in West Virginia and Arkansas are both picking up German transmissions. They know that America is here, just not the America they knew."

"And what about Japan?" Sergeant Basilone asked.

"A great deal of confusion is what they're getting," Harper replied. "Please bear in mind that the rest of the Pacific Coast and Florida are that of 1943, as well as a number of outlying Pacific Islands. Wake and Guam meanwhile are claiming its 1941, and are clogging the airways about impending Japanese attacks. This has utterly confused, and in some cases, enraged the Japanese. Some of those in Tokyo think we've just declared war on them, while others think it's a repeat of Orson Welles' War of the World broadcast. But that's just the public reactions."

"What do you mean 'Public Reactions'?" Pershing asked. Harper chuckled at the question, and realized that she may or may not be allowed to talk about what she knew. She was not infantry, or involved in any combat arms unit. She was a Signal Intelligence Analyst, and had already been busy before The Event happened.

Since 2016, the United States has been at a heightened state of military readiness, mobilization, and surge of patriotism. A state due largely in part to China's aggression, as well as the actions by the now dead North Korea, severely weakened Iran, and civil war torn Russia. As such, military facilities had been expanded, and in some cases, created from scratch all across the country. Oregon was no exception.

Aside from the expanded basic and advanced training facilities at Camp Withycombe, there were substantial additions to Portland and Kingsley Air National Guard Bases, and two new bases being constructed in Salem and Springfield. The latter of which Lieutenant Harper was stationed at, and still hadn't been completed yet. Not that it mattered right now.

The equipment she and other members of the Oregon Army and Air National Guard had been using to listen in on Chinese communications, and occasionally on Russian Far Eastern units in Kamchatka and Vladivostok, were turned westward towards Japan.

"Let's just say that the Japanese Army and Navy are losing their shit right now," Harper said with an impish grin. "All their armies from China and Manchuria are wandering around Japan aimlessly, and the navy has reported contact with German, British, and Austro-Hungarian ships. All of which are centered in the port city of Tsingtao, and has the Japanese government absolutely confused."

"Yeah, well they aren't the only ones that are confused here," Sergeant Rodriguez said. "I thought the Japs controlled that place since World War One? And what the hell is an Austro-Hungarian ship doing there?"

"They did, however none of their holdings in mainland China or South Pacific came back. Meanwhile the entire German Empire in 1914 came back, which includes all their islands and holdings in the Pacific. Something the Japanese seem to have just realized, and are no less angry about losing." Harper explained.

"And since the Austro-Hungarians used Tsingtao as a port for their own ships in the Pacific, it makes sense for one to be there." Pershing added. "Although seeing what year we find ourselves in, they ain't gonna have a port to go home to. The whole Adriatic Coast is owned by Napoleon, so they'd have to sail to Germany for a safe port."

"And that assumes the Japanese will let them leave in the first place," Jennings said. "Most of us know how brutal Japan was during World War Two. There's no guarantee the Japs won't just slaughter those poor bastards."

"Well, that's the interesting thing, Jennings. While troops have been airdropped around the city, which have unleashed hell on the countryside, and terrified the shit of the Germans, they haven't attacked the city proper yet. Which brings up another point, all the foreign embassies in Japan have been desperately trying to reach their homelands. Of which are the embassies of Britain, France, the United States, Soviet Union, and Nazi Germany have been the loudest."

More than a few groans could be heard at Harper's mention of the Soviet and Nazi embassies.

"So we gotta worry about communists and fascists then," A soldier commented. "And here I thought all we had to worry about was the fucking Japs, and Kaiser Bill's unhinged ass."

"I wouldn't be so sure about that." Jennings replied. "The Soviets have nowhere and no one to turn to at this time, and Imperial Germany would despise the Nazis. Even if they do try to go back home, neither of their respective homelands will want them."

"That also assumes the Japanese don't outright kill them to keep them from trying to uplift their homelands. Which brings up another point. As it stands right now, Germany and Japan are unquestionably the dominant forces in Europe and Asia. Even with the conventional forces we have at our disposal, we can't really challenge them." Harper said, not noticing how Jennings and Flores took notice of her use of the word 'conventional', and wouldn't care if she did. "As such, they'll have no real opposition to their aims of conquest, which they will most assuredly do. But right now, there's tens of thousands of French troops in Indochina, and an assortment of Commonwealth forces in the Pacific, and of course the Canadian troops in Alaska."

"All of which have no homes to go back to," Sergeant Roberts said. "And neither Japan nor Germany will want them mucking about in their neighborhoods."

"Exactly, Sergeant," Harper said. "If anyone is in danger right now, it's them. Imperial Japan and Germany might have some competing aims, but neither country wants a challenge to their hegemony. Japan might just decide to cut their losses and liquidate them, while Germany sends the High Seas Fleet to New Guinea and Samoa, and obliterates the Australian Squadron based there."

"We can reach them over wireless, can't we? Why not just warn them to get the hell out of there?" Pershing suggested. "We still control the Philippines and Samoa. They could easily reach Subic Bay or Cavite from Tsingtao."

"They already have," Came a voice from behind Lieutenant Harper. Approaching from the nearby communications tent set up in front of the Capitol Building, was Captain Alex Hoffman, friend, and Flight Commander for Harper's intel unit. "Every British, Australian, French, and Austrian ship in the region is hauling ass to The Philippines right now, which I should add is clogged with other American naval ships, and an Australian troop convoy."

"And who might you be?" Sergeant James Morgan asked.

"Captain Alex Hoffman, 9th Intelligence Squadron, and Lieutenant Harper's Flight Commander." Captain Hoffman said in greeting, shaking the hands of the various officers and NCOs in front of him.

"At least they got a white man in charge around here," One of the downtime soldiers said, earning tired glares from most of those present.

"I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that," Hoffman said, turning his gaze over to Lieutenant Harper. "Anyway, I bring some news, and most of it bad."

"How bad, sir?" Harper asked, now noticing the very noticeable bags under his eyes, and wan expression on his face on full display.

"Bad enough that I was sent straight from the ops room to report on the information to leadership, and they took it pretty damn bad." Hoffman said. "President Roosevelt and a number of the World War officers damn near blew a gasket, while the rest are just pissed off, and trying to figure out how to do next."

"Would it be safe to assume this has something to do with this futuristic Japanese Empire everyone keeps talking about?" Pershing asked, and Hoffman let out a tired sigh as he nodded.

"Them and the fucking Germans. For starters, the Japanese waited long enough and attacked Tsingtao yesterday. The city fell within hours and as you'd expect, nothing good happened to the men who surrendered, or civilians inside the city."

"It was the Rape of Nanking all over again, wasn't it sir?" Jennings asked and Hoffman nodded grimly.

"As far as we can tell, yeah. The German radio station in the city transmitted until the Japanese stormed it, and we intercepted, and still are, Japanese radio broadcasts in the region. Which brings up another point, their claiming to have captured an American Lieutenant who was spying on the Germans inside the city. And from what we've heard, they worked him over pretty good."

"Fucking savages." One of the nearby soldiers snarled.

"Yeah well the only reason they didn't kill him is because they found his West Point Academy Ring when they rummaged through his belongings. They handed him over to the American embassy in Tokyo and the man's in bad shape. Between what they're telling us, our radio intercepts, and satellite reconnaissance, things seem to be going from bad to worse every day."

"Satellite reconnaissance?" Sergeant Rodriguez asked.

"We have a satellite?" Jenning asked, all eyes now shifting to Captain Hoffman.

"The hell's a satellite?" One of the downtimer soldiers drawled out. "You mean one a them flying machines they invented in North Carolina?" Dealing with the early 20th century Americans was going to be a very interesting, and very frustrating experience.

"A few satellites came back with us. Any that happened to be in exact orbit above the modern states that came back. Getting into contact with said satellites was a pain, but the facilities in Sugar Grove, and what few ground based radio facilities we have managed to work wonders." Hoffman explained. "Wonders that include watching and listening to everything the Germans and Japanese are up to. And what they are up to has got everyone riled up today."

"And just what are the interdimensional axis up to today, sir?" Harper asked.

"Well for starters, Japan is accelerating their plans for Asia. All the radio chatter and troop movements we're seeing seems to indicate that. They know this is a time period where, embargo or no embargo, their usual sources of oil are gone. They need the resources desperately, and are acting accordingly." Hoffman said.

"But the Japs preparing to invade the Dutch East Indies and Malaya wouldn't be getting the higher ups as riled up as you claim." Sergeant Basilone pointed out. "There's more isn't there?"

"That there is Sergeant. Our latest satellite orbit shows at least one fleet carrier and one escort carrier operating around the Philippines, launching fighters, and performing reconnaissance flights over the archipelago. Reconnaissance flights which have been fired upon by American and Australian ships in Subic and Manila Bay, and have shot down at least three planes only a few hours ago."

"I'm not seeing how that's supposed to be a bad thing though." Pershing said. "It might teach those bastards not to mess with us." At that, a few of the World War Two and 21st century soldiers and marines laughed grimly in response.

"More sensible minds would think so," One of them added.

"But the Japs aren't reasonable." Sergeant Morgan finished. "If anything, that'll just piss them off even more."

"Correct Sergeant, which brings me to my next point. They know their surroundings aren't that of 1941 and plan to take full advantage of the fact. Right now more and more ships are leaving mainland Japan and Hainan, in three different prongs. One towards Malaya and the East Indies, one towards German New Guinea, and another forming up around the Philippines. Battleships, cruisers, carriers, transports, you name it."

"They're going to invade," Harper said. "And there's nothing we can do to stop them."

"What do you mean we can't do anything to stop them!" Pershing exclaimed. "The entire Pacific Fleet plus all those British-" He was cut off by Sergeant Basilone, who, along with all the other World War era soldiers who had fought the Japanese, gave him a grim look.

"I mean this with the utmost respect sir, but that same line of thinking is what got so many men killed early in the war." Basilone said. "You can think of them as slant eyed monkeys all you want, but don't underestimate their willingness or ability to kill you."

"And believe us, they have no lack of ability to kill." Sergeant Rodriguez added. "All those ships bottled up in the Philippines will be nothing but big, fat targets for Jap planes."

"Which is exactly what we've told the higher ups. We suggested getting all those ships out of there and towards Hawaii, others wanted to send the rest of our fleet to confront them, and a few want them to hold their positions to intimidate the Japanese." Hoffman said. "Suffice to say that last one got ridiculed and shot down pretty quickly."

"And what about the first two?" One of the downtime American soldiers asked.

"Sending our fleet directly into Japan's backyard is not a fight we'd win," Private Jennings said. "That's exactly what they want and both us and them know how that fight will end."

"So we're just supposed to leave our men out there to die at the hands of those slant eyed bastards?" Said an older, crustier looking Master Sergeant who looked old enough to have fought in the Spanish-American War.

"After all the men we lost to claim the Philippines in the first place? After all the friends I lost in that place?" Another soldier, an obvious veteran of the Philippine-American War added.

"Have you listened to nothing we've been saying this entire time?" Harper said in annoyance. "It won't be a fight, it'll be a slaughter if we send our fleet to the Philippines!" The Master Sergeant looked as if he were about to say something, but was cut off by one of the Marines.

"And if you don't want to listen to her, then listen to us! We spent the last two years fighting those bastards!" One of them said, "Those boys in the Philippines are screwed if the Japs decide to attack."

"Yeah, if you thought Pearl Harbor was bad, all those ships bottled up in port…" The Marine trailed off. They all understood what he meant and what it meant for the thousands of American, British, and Australian sailors in the Philippines. If the Japanese decided to attack, it would be almost certain death for them. The thought depressed them, downtime or uptime. The thought that they'd be unable to do anything while Japan runs wild in Asia, and massacres all those who stand in their way.

"So what can we do, sir?" Jennings asked, looking over at Captain Hoffman.

"We've all made it clear to President Roosevelt that holding the Philippines in the event of war isn't possible. But we might not have to fight a war. At least not yet."

"What do you mean? I thought you said their fleets were moving to blockade the Philippines?"

"They are. However, Radio Tokyo is picking up transmissions from all over the West Coast, and all they keep hearing makes them think that the entire United States from either 1943 or 2024 is present, and a lot of them are scared shitless." Hoffman said. "Which is why we've picked up a multitude of messages from Tokyo aimed at the West Coast, asking for, and I quote 'An end to all trade restrictions and a treaty of understanding in this new world.' They think that we're either two years into a war with them or damn near a century ahead of them, neither of which is boding well for their military ambitions."

"Yet they're moving their whole damned fleet around the Pacific according to you, you think they're just doing it for shits and giggles?" Sergeant Morgan said.

"Not at all. We know for a fact their gonna invade Southeast Asia and take every German colony in the region, which is why we warned the Aussies and Kiwis to get the fuck out. But they don't have to worry about a British or German Empire coming to contest them." Hoffman replied. "But they have to worry about us, at least for the moment. Their military is still in a state of chaos and probably isn't in a position to fight us right now. But that's liable to change real soon though."

"Speaking of the Germans sir, you said it was them and the Japanese that have the higher ups pissed." Harper inquired.

"Yeah, what'd the Krauts do that gots the higher ups pissed off?" Sergeant Basilone asked as a large flight of P-40 Warhawks flew in formation overhead, followed by a pair of F-15 Eagles who screamed above the Warhawks at full afterburner, AIM-9 Sidewinders mounted on their wings.

"The hell are those mounted on their wings?" One of the Marines asked, looking over at the Oregon Guardsmen, his expression changing as he saw the looks on their faces.

"Those are from Kingsley Field!" One of them commented. "And they're loaded for bear! What the hell is going on?"

They got their answer as air raid sirens in the city began to blare. More planes from the 332nd Fighter Group, as well as a number of B-25 bombers, raced northwest, towards Astoria. A few seconds later, every radio among the uptime soldiers and marines began blaring to life with panicked voices and commands issued over the net. Then, a number of Humvees and Jeeps came racing up the street, tires screeching as they came to a stop in front of the State Capitol, and dozens of soldiers piled out, and began rushing towards the building.

"JAP SHIPS OFF THE COAST!" One of the World War Two soldiers shouted as he ran past the group of American servicemen, through the parking lot, and into the building.

"The fuck?" Sergeant Roberts exclaimed. "How the hell did they get through?"

"No fucking idea," Captain Hoffman said, turning his head to a Army Guardsmen and waving him forward. "Hey, what the hell's going on?" The soldier, a Corporal, turned and looked towards Hoffman, and gestured up north.

"A group of submarines surfaced off the coast up north." The Corporal shouted as he came to a stop in front of the group. "Started shelling the beaches near Astoria and Fort Stevens! Fuckers even launched a couple of planes before the Coast Guard and Navy sunk them!"

"Still doesn't explain how the hell they managed to sneak through the most heavily defended coastline on the planet!" Harper said, looking over at Captain Hoffman, who had an unreadable expression on his face.

"Because they didn't sneak past it. Not really." Hoffman said, looking over at Lieutenant Harper, and motioning for her to follow him. "Follow me Lieutenant, we need to talk."

"The hell you mean they didn't sneak past the fleet? How else would they have gotten there?" Sergeant Morgan asked, but was ignored as Hoffman left the group with Lieutenant Harper in tow.

"The fuck was that about?" Sergeant Rodriguez asked.

"I don't know," Jennings said, looking up at another group of Warhawks flying overhead. "But I think this situation just got a whole lot worse for us."
 

ATP

Well-known member
Well,it change notching if japaneese take Malaya or Dutch colonies,they would not find rubber and oil in 1812.They must build everytching there.

So,no reason to panic for USA - if Japan after capturing oilfields in 1942 could not invade USA,they even more could not invade them now.

But,those evacuated french and australian soldiers could be useful.France in 1940 had in Indochina one light cruiser and 3 escort ship,not much but still.
They could not evacuate few planes they had,but pilots would be useful.

Kaiser is even less thread here,if he manage to invade USA,1907 fleet with 1943 and 2024 planes would be enough to beat them.

So,no reasons to fear anytching,unless lgbt from 2024 start molesting american children in other states.

!943 USA which lost Pacyficshore - it would be interesting world,becouse USA must send supplies there,not to soviet genociders,but it not change Manchattan project.

So,as a result,soviet genociders would be between Dniepr and Don rivers in 1945,when A bombs end war.
Free Central and South Europa not given to soviet monsters.
 
Chapter 5: Briefing and Attack

Quickdraw101

Beware My Power-Green Lantern's Light
Oregon State Capitol
Salem, Oregon
United States of America
June 28th, 2024/November 17th 1943/December 17th 1907/July 1812
17 Days After The Event


When President Theodore Roosevelt witnessed the strange flashes of light enveloping the city of Washington early on the morning of December 1st, he had thought he was seeing the Second Coming of Jesus Christ himself. But when the light dissipated he was met with the arrival of an entire brigade of United States Marines. Marines that, when initially questioned by a confused populace, claimed they were fighting the Germans.

That had caused a great deal of confusion among the civilians, as well as what few soldiers were inside the city. Some 10,000 Marines, dressed and equipped for war, were now wandering around the nation's capital, all of which also claimed that it was the year 1918. But that was just the start of Roosevelt's troubles over the next few days.

Reports of strange lights came in from across the country, and before long the whole country found itself in a state of confusion. The border with Canada and Mexico looked nothing like it had before. The cities of Toronto, Vancouver, Victoria, and Tijuana were completely unrecognizable, if they were even there at all. Even more odd was the appearance of wooden sailing and warships straight out of the last century. Cities such as New York, Boston, Norfolk, Savannah, and Seattle were host to wooden sail ships, sloops, and even a frigate. A frigate belonging to the United States Navy, and whose crew claimed it was 1812.

More reports flooded in about strange military formations appearing across the country, others talking about whole states having disappeared, and being replaced. Reports of strange airplanes and flying machines. None of it made any sense. Then he saw one of the strange flying machines flying over the White House, and could even see men inside the strange black machines.

Over the next few days, the true extent of what had happened became clear to Roosevelt, and his administration. God, in all his infinite wisdom, had sent the United States of 1904, to the year 1812. Most of the United States anyway. A handful of states and almost all its overseas territories, had been replaced by versions from the future. Some by decades, others by over a century. There were also a number of Army and Navy units from the future, from coast to coast, who looked primed and ready for a fight!

It seemed almost unimaginable, yet the proof was undeniable. Once the shock and disbelief had worn off, Roosevelt went to see it for himself. He, along with his Secretary of State Philander Knox, Secretary of War Jacob Dickinson, Army Chief of Staff Major General Frank Bell, Navy Secretary Victor Metcalf, along with a handful of other Army and Naval officers, came to the West Coast to discuss the implications of what had happened, and what they needed to do going forward.

In Portland they were met with an assortment of officers from the Army, Navy, Marine, and some branch called the "Air Force", as well as the governors of Oregon, Washington, and California, and a number of other important looking individuals. When the meeting began, Roosevelt and his cabinet had high hopes and were looking forward to what these marvelous, if very strange, Americans from the future.

But the longer the meeting went on, the quicker their moods soured. In the year they came from, 1907, tensions between the United States and Japan were high, and Germany was a rising power in Europe whose ships had visited the United States only months earlier in New York. Now the United States was somehow sent back in time to the year 1812, but they weren't the only ones.

They shared this world with a Germany who was the strongest European nation in the time they came from, and a Japan that was gearing up for war with the United States. A war that the United States as a whole was unprepared to fight. Not counting the states and territories from the future, the United States of 1907 was nearly a decade behind Germany, and nearly four decades behind Japan in terms of technological advancement.

That alone had unsettled and upset President Theodore Roosevelt and his cabinet. As the briefing went on and more officers had filtered in and out of the room, including officers bringing in fresh intelligence from Joint Army-Air Force listening facilities in Oregon and New Hampshire, their feelings had turned into ones of rage and disbelief. Especially when news of Japanese and German military movements aimed at the United States were delivered.

"So, this is how it is?" President Theodore Roosevelt asked with a severe look on his face. "This is what the United States now faces?"

"I'm afraid so, Mr President," Replied Major General Michael Stencel, the Adjutant Commander of the Oregon National Guard. "The situation we now face is more grim than it appears and it will only get worse as time progresses."

"I must admit, this is not what I expected to hear when I arrived." Theodore Roosevelt said in a dour tone, his face equally as severe. "After seeing those technological marvels in West Virginia, Florida, and Arkansas, as well as those lovely Marines in Washington, I was under the impression that we'd be far ahead of the German and Japanese Empires."

"In many respects Mr President, we very much are," Said Tina Kotek, governor of the state of Oregon. "As you've seen for yourself, we're leaps and bounds ahead of both Germany and Japan in many respectives."

Roosevelt and those he brought with him viewed the governor rather strangely. There were no female senators or congressmen anywhere else in the country, yet here she was. A female governor of a state with a population of over four million people. A female governor with a wife! Yet despite how so many of those in the room looked at her, she seemed completely unbothered by it. The same could be said with the assortment of civilian and military leadership he'd seen from these "21st Century States".

"But as we've said previously, our biggest problem is our supply chains," Said Lieutenant General Delos Emmons, the Commanding General of the Western Defence Command. "We're completely cut off from most of our sources of supply. While we have large amounts of men and material all around the West Coast, as well as a number of factories, we'll have the Devil's own time keeping said factories running."

"I will say however that the forces we have are more than enough to protect our shores from either The Kaiser or the Japs." Admiral Chester Nimitz added, the expression on his face mirroring that of President Roosevelt, and many of the senior Army and Navy officers in the room.

He was the man chosen by Franklin Roosevelt to lead the fight against the Japanese in the Pacific. He had been given orders by Roosevelt to get out to Pearl Harbor and not come back until the United States sat in Tokyo Bay, and the Japanese Empire was no more. And just when the United States had begun to gain the upper hand in the Pacific, and ready to hit back against the Japanese, "The Event" happened, sending nearly the entire Pacific Coast back in time, and depriving the United States of so many men, ships, and bases it would need to fight Japan.

This was something on the minds of so many of his fellow officers who hailed from the year 1943. What would become of the United States back home? Would Japan prevail in the Pacific now that every major installation and ship from Honolulu to San Francisco was now gone? Would the United States have to sign a peace with Japan? Nimitz dreaded to think about that, and tried to focus on the current situation.

"We we're gearing up for a large push towards the Central Pacific when this 'Event' happened, and even discounting the ships which have seemingly come back from the grave, have a substantial number of ships up and down the Pacific Coast. If they try to invade the United States or anywhere on this continent, we can, and will beat them back." Vice Admiral William Halsey said with great confidence.

"But that doesn't help our boys in the Philippines should the Japanese strike." Roosevelt pointed out. "Or any of the other island possessions we currently hold in the Pacific west of Hawaii. In fact, you all seem to be arguing in favor of abandoning them in the face of the Japanese in the event of war."

"Mr President, the Japan you knew in 1907 is not the Japan of 1941 that we now face," Admiral Nimitz said. "The Japan we now face was gearing up for war against the United States and the European powers in Asia. A Japan with an untouched industrial base and military that was the best in the Pacific at the start of the war."

"And while we have many experienced sailors and pilots who've fought and won against the Japanese, our own industrial base is severely limited, and overall military strength is still lower than that of Japan." Vice Admiral Raymond Spruance said. "We have no means to replace any of our fleet carriers, and production of light carriers in Washington will be very slow. The same goes with any replacement aircraft, to say nothing of pilots and crew."

"In a sick twist of fate, the situation between America and Japan in World War Two is now reversed," One 21st century naval officer said. "Japan had no ability to keep up with American industrial might or replace its losses in a timely manner. Now we sit in the position Japan once sat in, only much worse."

"We can't replicate most of our equipment in anything short of years if at all, our factories will need to fix their supply issues before resuming production, to top it off our nation is split between three separate eras in history." An uptime army officer finished. "Meanwhile Germany and Japan, have all their industry intact, a complete and clear chain of command, aren't split between three eras of time, and are geared or gearing up for a war."

"To put it simply, Mr President, we cannot hold the Philippines or Guam in case of war with Japan." General Stencel said. "They are too far and too deep into Japanese territory to support and resupply, and no matter how badly we may want to."

"So that's it then?" Admiral Robley Evans exclaimed. "You would so readily abandon thousands of American soldiers and sailors to those little yellow barbarians?"

"We may not have a choice, Admiral Evans," Major General Frank Bell said with a heavy sigh.

"We have all seen these technological marvels in these states, and there's nothing like these in the Philippines." Lieutenant General Arthur MacArthur said. "If they say the Japanese have these, and I see no reason to doubt them, our boys in the Philippines will be slaughtered."

"So that's it then," President Roosevelt said, slowly taking his glasses off, and wiping them clean with a handkerchief. "After all the blood and treasure we spent to take the Philippines we can do nothing to defend them. Despite all these wonderful soldiers and weapons I've seen these last few weeks, nothing can be done to defend the Philippines."

"Mr President, our navy could sortie to the Philippines, but we'd be running into the jaws of a fully intact, and waiting Japanese Fleet." Admiral Nimitz admitted. "We'd be facing an enemy that would outnumber us, outgun us, and have crews that are better trained than most of our own. If we lost those men and ships, we'd be opening the United States up to attacks not just in Hawaii, but also the West Coast."

"And the West Coast contains the vast majority of our strategic industry vital to protecting our country." Governor Kotek added.

"And if we lose our shield, and the Japanese can strike us here on the West Coast, we'd be forced into a situation the United States hasn't faced since the War of 1812, and indeed even worse than that. We would be faced with very uncomfortable options." General Stencel finished, not needing to elaborate further.

Portland had a thriving microchip industry which, while not as robust or advanced as others around the 21st century United States, or in Taiwan, which would be invaluable for maintaining some semblance of 21st century life. California and Washington held factories that manufactured everything from M4 Shermans, Boeing B-17 Flying Fortresses, and Casablanca Class light aircraft carriers.

If those industries were open to attack by the Japanese Empire, they could cripple the majority of America's advanced civilian and war making industry. But that would only be possible if the American Navy was dealt a crippling blow. A blow that Japan could give if the U.S. Navy sortied out to meet the Imperial Japanese Navy head on. A "Decisive Battle" that Admiral Yamamoto and the Japanese Navy sought out against the United States during the entire Pacific War. A battle that would force the United States to sue for peace and suffer the humiliation of a peace dictated by one of America's worst enemies.

"Which is why remaining on the defensive is so critical right now," Commander Samantha Roberts added. She was CO of one of the two Ticonderoga Class Cruisers caught in the event, and the only one in the Pacific. The USS Lake Champlain, like the handful of other ships she was in charge of escorting from Bremerton Naval Yard, were scheduled to have been decommissioned over the last couple of years.

However, due to multiple brushfire wars and rising tensions with China, many ships were being called up from reserve or getting a life extension. Lake Champlain was one such ship, and was heading down to San Diego Naval Base before heading off to the Western Pacific against the Chinese. When "The Event" occurred, Commander Roberts was escorting two Avenger Class Minesweepers alongside the Littoral Combat Ships USS Independence and USS Freedom. Now the ships were anchored in Portland and Astoria alongside the Coast Guard, and the assortment of foreign naval vessels left over from Fleet Week.

"However, we may not have to go to war." An Air Force Intel Major by the name of Anderson said. "As stated before, both Japan and Germany want to open talks with the United States. Mostly Japan as they seem to think we're either at war with them, or our entire country is from 2024."

"But we can't ignore the possibility that such chatter might be an attempt to trick or mislead us." General Stencel said. "If what we're hearing from the Japanese is correct, and we see no reason to suggest otherwise, they are three months from carrying out the attack on Pearl Harbor, and are in desperate need of resources for their military. They may yet decide to go to war with us anyway."

"Which is why I want to know what you plan to do about it!" President Roosevelt demanded. "If the Japanese are as much of a threat as you all claim it is, then what can we do in the event of war! And please tell me it doesn't involve abandoning our boys across The Pacific!"

General Stencel let out a weary sigh and it was Admiral Nimitz who spoke up.

"Most of us came to the conclusion that the best course of action for all the ships currently seeking shelter in the Philippines is to retreat to the Hawaiian Islands, outside the reach of Japanese forces, and well within our defensive perimeter. However, many of the ships in the Philippines do not have the range to reach Hawaii without oilers or colliers to refuel them." Nimitz said. "But we have a relief force ready to set sail from Hawaii to reinforce Wake and Guam, as well as help evacuate those ships from the Philippines. We're just waiting for the go ahead to send them west."

"For God sake, what are you waiting for Admiral!? Send them already and get those men out of there!" Roosevelt exclaimed and both Nimitz and Halsey smiled. Turning to a nearby Ensign, Nimitz said.

"Get word to Admiral Spruance and Turner to get Task Force 50 sailing for the Philippines immediately!" Nimitz ordered.

"Yes sir!" The young officer replied, giving a quick salute before exiting the room.

"And what about our men on the ground? There's thousands of soldiers in the Philippines stationed all over the archipelago!" General MacArthur said.

"Withdrawing all of our troops from the Philippines in the short term is not feasible," General Emmons said. "It could very well send the Japs the wrong message and they'd launch an invasion immediately."

"Not to mention just abandoning the Filipinos to the savagery of the Japanese Empire is simply intolerable." Governor Kotek said. "It's bad enough we occupied them after kicking the Spaniards out. The least we can do is ensure they don't fall victim to the Japanese and give them the independence they so want and deserve."

It was at this point Roosevelt and most of his entourage looked at Governor Kotek as if she were insane. A few of the Army officers even looked at her in outright disdain or disgust, which was noticed by anyone paying attention.

"She's right, you know," Commander Roberts said. "Politics and legality of the occupation aside, it would be setting a very terrible precedent to abandon them at the first sign of trouble. Even more so since they are more modern than the vast majority of the world and we cannot afford to cede ground to anyone here."

"And it would make the Japanese believe we're weak, or at least weaker than we are, and they will exploit any perceived weakness." General Stencel added. "They are already exploiting such weakness against the Germans right now, and we don't want our men to suffer the fate of the Germans."

"So what are you suggesting we do about it, General Stencel?" Roosevelt pressed. "What can we do about our soldiers in the Philippines!"

"We suggest withdrawing troops from all but a few key positions in the Philippines, mostly in and around Manila Positions that would not only provide a tactical advantage, but easier to withdraw from should that become necessary."

"There are also a number of orphaned troop ships in Manila and Subic Bay's right now," General Emmons said. "If need be, we can order those troops to help shore up defenses in the short term, especially in locations where we know the Japs would land. We could make it a very costly endeavor for the Japs should they choose to invade."

"Which, hopefully, should prove unnecessary should these talks of peace from Japan be legitimate." Major Anderson reiterated.

"Do you seriously expect us to treat with the Japs? After everything they did and are preparing to do?" Admiral Halsey said furiously.

"We may not have a choice, Halsey," Nimitz said. "If nothing else, negotiation will buy us time to plan a new strategy."

"But it also relies on the Japanese military wanting to negotiate in the first place," One Army officer said. "The Imperial Japanese Army wanted a war, especially Tojo. 'To back down would be a tremendous blow to the morale of the Army' is roughly how he justified it. And with all of their gains in China being made moot by this Act of God, they'll want to fight someone. And that someone is likely going to be the United States."

"Either way, this is something we can't afford to pass up, either with Germany or Japan. The former of which is aware of what happened in Tsingtao, and is hinting at us negotiating with the Japanese to get their men back." Anderson added. "As Admiral Nimitz said, it buys us time if nothing else.

"Even if we do consider negotiations," General Emmons began. "Where would we hold them? We sure as hell won't be bringing any Japs to the West Coast or Hawaii. We can't risk them getting a look at our defenses and reporting back to Tokyo. And if we send them further east, they'll find out just what situation the United States is in."

"They might already know," Anderson replied. "They know the Philippines right now aren't from the future. And sooner or later, the Japanese will figure out the situation we're in, and that will make negotiations even more difficult for us."

"Governor-General Smith is currently in the Philippines," President Roosevelt said. "We can inform him of the situation and direct him on how to negotiate with the Japanese if we need to."

"Mr President, that might not be a good idea," Nimitz said. "Those in the Philippines will be completely out of their depth and unaware of the political situation facing them."

"If we do open negotiations, it will have to be with individuals from our respective periods of time," Governor Kotek added. "That way negotiations will have a much better chance at succeeding. And I do believe a solution exists for where we can hold any potential talks."

"Well Governor Kotek," President Roosevelt began, turning his gaze over to her. "Where do you propose we hold these talks with Japan?"

"Juneau, Alaska." She answered. "Before the war with Japan, President Franklin Roosevelt suggested the city as a halfway point for talks with the Japanese Prime Minister. It won't put any valuable infrastructure at risk and there's thousands of troops, American and Canadian, defending it."

"And we know how the Japanese planned to attack Alaska," Commander Roberts added. "They'd be sailing into the teeth of our navy, and we would sink the bastards."

"Young lady, I would love to have an officer like you with my task force next time I go to sea. Think you and that magnificent ship of yours can come along?" Admiral Halsey asked, an approving smile on his face. At least the ranking naval officers in the room were polite and took her seriously.

"Provided the fuel situation can be taken care of, you can count on my escorting you to Hawaii." Roberts replied. "However I would recommend the other ships stay behind in Oregon for the moment, they won't be of much use right now."

"Fuel can be arranged, Commander," Admiral Nimitz said. "But I am in agreement with Halsey. I don't care what color you are, I need you, and I need your ship in Pearl. I have a feeling we're gonna need it."

"And don't you worry about the crew either," Halsey added. "Nimitz and I will make sure they are taken care of when they arrive."

"Well ain't this bully!" Roosevelt said, his spirit lifted to some degree. He was actually smiling, which made those in the room smile as well. Then a loud, droning sound began going off outside. A sound which many in the room were familiar with, and had them standing up as the armed soldiers and marines in the room reflexively took up positions near windows and doors. The air raid sirens in Salem were blaring to life and calls to take shelter were heard in the distance, followed by the roar of jet engines and propellers slicing through the air.

As one of the National Guardsmen in the room pulled open the curtains on a nearby window, a flight of F-15's, followed closely by a flight of P-40 Warhawks, raced northward in the direction of Astoria.

"That's not good," He said, turning back to those gathered in the room. "They're headed north, and look loaded for bear!"

In his typical boisterous fashion, Roosevelt jumped up, and made his way over to the window, smiling like a little kid as he watched a flight of P-47's and even a group of B-25 bombers. In 1907 planes were only a few years old. Even biplanes were an impressive sight for the President, to say nothing of P-40's, B-25's, or the jet fighters of the modern U.S. Air Force. But before he could remark on the sight before him, a group of soldiers and guardsmen burst through the doors in the room, panicked looks on their faces.

"Japanese submarines off the coast!" One of the Guardsmen said as he rushed in.

"WHAT!?" Came the simultaneous reply of a dozen different people in the room.

"They started shelling Astoria and the Navy and Coast Guard are engaging them now, but we have to move you all to safety immediately!" Another soldier said, gently, but firmly grabbing the arm of President Roosevelt, and ushering him out. "I'm sorry, Mr President!"

"Oh, don't be sorry, young soldier!" Roosevelt replied in his cheerful manner, following as he was directed, by the soldiers and Guardsmen who rounded up everyone present, and escorted them to a convoy of armored Humvees and M117 ASV's waiting outside. As President Roosevelt was loaded into the back of one of the ASV's, he marveled at the interior and design of the vehicle. "Bully I say!"

"If you think this is awesome, you should see a Bradley or Stryker, Mr President!" Said the same Guardsman who escorted him into the vehicle.

"Young man, there is a great deal I can't wait to see! But first, we must deal with these perfidious Japs who have attacked our great nation!" Roosevelt exclaimed. "And I do believe we will make them pay dearly for this treachery!"

"Alright, let's go!" A Sergeant shouted from the entrance outside the ASV. Slamming the door shut, he slammed on the hull three times, and the vehicle lurched forward, joining the convoy now leaving the Oregon State Capitol, and heading for Camp Withycombe Army National Guard Base.
 

ATP

Well-known member
Well,shit happen.
But - it could not be war,only submarine captains acting on pre-event orders.
Japan do not need war with USA now,too.
They need time to take Dutch India and made refineries there.

The same goes for Germany - they need time to conqer Europe,not war with USA.

What should happen would be Big Japan Empire taking all european colonies in Asia /well.maybe not Australaia and new Zealand/
and Big german Empire taking Europe and at least part of Africa.

When USA would keep Americas and maybe part of Africa.

If you wonted Big War,you should add more strong countries in Europe or Asia - for example,Poland from 1939 would stop 1914 germans,and Thailand from 2023 would stop 1941 Japan.
 
Disposition and Location of ISOT'd American Military Forces

Quickdraw101

Beware My Power-Green Lantern's Light
Please note that of the units on this list, all listed as KIA over the course of the World Wars, are present as well.
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New Hampshire-Vermont Region:
5th Infantry Division, 1945
2nd Cavalry Division, 1944
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Off The Coast of New England:
Omaha Class Light Cruiser USS Marblehead
Brooklyn Class Light Cruiser USS Boise
Benson Class Destroyer: USS Benson, USS Hilary P. Jones, USS Mayo
Sims Class Destroyer: USS Buck
Wickes Class Destroyer: USS Ellis, USS Lea, USS Upshur
Gleaves Class Destroyer: USS Gleaves, USS Niblack, USS Plunkett
Clemson Class Destroyer: USS Reuben James, USS Borie
Destroyer Tender USS Hamul
Cimarron Class Fleet Oiler: USS Salamonie
Transports USS Wakefield, USS Orizaba, USAT Uruguay
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West Virginia:
45th Infantry Division, 1945
Five TBF Avengers of Flight 19
16 B-25's of Lieutenant Colonel Jimmy Doolittle's Tokyo Bombing Group
B-29 Bombers Enola Gay and Bockscar, both loaded with the Little Boy and Fat Man atomic bombs.
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Arkansas:
442nd Regimental Combat Team, 1945
758th Tank Battalion, 1945
761st Battalion, 1945
784th Battalion, 1945
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Oregon:
101st Airborne, 1945
332nd Fighter Group, 1945
477th Bomber Group, 1945
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Puerto Rico:
All black regiments of the 92nd and 93rd Infantry Divisions, 1918.
33rd Pursuit Squadron, 1944
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Virgin Islands:
82nd Airborne, 1945
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Off the coast:
USS Lexington CV-2
USS Yorktown CV-5
Sims Class Destroyers USS Sims and USS Hammann
Cimarron Class Oiler USS Neosho
Gearings Class Destroyer USS John Basilone, 1964
Cleveland Class Light Cruiser USS Little Rock, 1961
Tench Class Submarine USS Tench, 1968
Note: The ships lost during the Battles of the Coral Sea and Midway only had crews and pilots lost during the battles themselves, leaving the ships drastically undermanned.
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West Point, New York:
1st Infantry Division from Battle of Cantigny, 1918.
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Washington DC:
5th and 6th Marine Regiments, Battle of Belleau Wood, 1918.
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Florida:
All American Land and Naval Forces slated for Operation Torch, 1942.
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Washington State:
All ships, troops, and aircraft lost in the Guadalcanal Campaign, including the carriers USS Wasp(CV-7), USS Hornet(CV-8), and a multitude of planes parked in airports and airfields across the state. However, it should be noted that like with the ships off the Virgin Islands, only crew who were killed in battle are present, also leaving the ships with a skeleton crew.
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Panama Canal Zone:
Northampton Class Cruiser USS Houston
Clemson Class Destroyers USS Alden, USS Barker, USS John D. Edwards, USS Parrott, USS Bulmer, USS John D. Ford, and USS John Paul Jones.
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Philippines:
USS Langley
Kanawha Class Oiler USS Pecos
MS Sea Witch
Clemson Class Destroyers: USS Edsall and USS Whipple
USAT Willard A. Holbrook
 

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So,they had 8-9 relatively modern dyvisions.Enough to defend,not enough to attack.
Another reason to made peace after sinking few japaneese ships - remember,Japan do not had resources to invade USA in OTL,and now when there are no dutch refineries to take,they are unable to made it even more.

1914 Germany had no means to invade USA,too.

Just made peace,nobody here could invade others.
 

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