Hey Bacle.
Have you not seen how I explained it?
They literally can not do any lasting damage to those airmen unless TPUSA was labeled as a terror group.
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Have you not seen how I explained it?
They literally can not do any lasting damage to those airmen unless TPUSA was labeled as a terror group.
I've seen how you ignored the point @S'task and others have tried to make.
I also am speaking of other service members who elsewhere who have seen the story and reacted to it.
They are more upset the memo got out than they are TPUSA being pejoratively labelled 'alt-right'/'far-right' in the DoD's sphere.
Because they are trying to claim this was all down to local fuck-ups at Minot, and not anything to do with the wider situtation of the military adopting progressive terminology/definitions for conservatives.
They also get real annoyed when the whistleblower is treated as a hero, rather than shitbag.
The military is brainwashed to be silent on matters internal. That's a fact. So the whistleblower is almost always derided by the Jolly Green Giant...that's just normal OP.
Also, I've not really seen ANY blowback from people in the military regarding this, but I haven't been looking for any either. Just none in my regular channels.
I've seen some in Discord channels; some of them were people at Minot, and they just wanted to blame some NCO for the fuck up of poor choice of words, and ignore the whole political angle/threat implied in it.
Not a single person I work woth cares.
No one in the military truly cares.
Any that do? They will either be leftists upset that the DoD gave TPUSA recognition or people who are easily upset.
As I have said.
There is literally nothing they can do to affect any service members career.
I only found out about this through my political channels.
Because we also know that you arnt supposed to talk politics at work.
You can go to any event not labeled as a terror group in your personal time.
They can not punish you for it.
Because we don't care.
Simple as.
Did you know that there was a protest in Austin sometime last year? No word for us to avoid it.
Trump visited.
No word for us to avoid it.
Because no one truly cares.
Some officers probably got butt hurt that TPUSA was in town and were trying to force something they can't.
The story/excuse I am being told was that the NCO's involved had a large number of other issues at the time, and that a game of telephone down the ranks is responsible for the wording of the final memo, because no one cared enough to think through the implications of labelling TPUSA as 'alt-right'/'far-right' and the implicit threat in the wording.
They were trying to avoid one PR disaster, and poor/rushed wording caused a different PR disaster instead.
So standard military stuff.
A memo gets messed up.
Simple as.
If that is true. Most likely initial goal was to tell them to avoid going in uniform, if it happend right after or during work hours.
Could have led to the designation by someone not paying attention.
Which is normal.
But as I had been saying.
We really don't care
This isn't a thread about whether those already in the DoD care, though, is it?
Do you just completely ignore the civie political/PR realities aspect of this, and the deeper implications for conservatives relationship with the military?
I care about the misrepresentation both sides paint the military.
Like jumping to conclusions.
Conservatives and liberals will join if they want.
It offers plenty of stuff one can do and all one has to do is show up at the right place, right time, and uniform, and most jobs just sit at a desk.
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We just don't care because as an NCO, it is my job to train and mentor soldiers.
Let them soldiers learn from you.
What is and isn't wrong, and how bullshit the command can be.
When I was in Korea, we were told not to rent vehicles, not to go to bars under 21, not to go to Seoul before it opened.
Do you think that stopped the military? It didn't.
Because as a junior at the time, we had the mindset kf wnjoy it. We had NCOs who would watch our ass and even be out with us.
Because that is how it is
Did I agree politically with majority if the guys I was there with?
No, a few I did, but a few I didn't.
My current unit? A few I agree with and a few I don't.
The guys I am closest too? One is a classic liberal the other is a centrist leaning right.
We do nit care about politics at work. Because I trust them to do thier jobs no matter what.
I trust an officer I work with even though he thinks Trump is the worst person in the world.
Because in the end, it is up to me to help shape the soldiers.
But we are also adults, with our own identities, our own lives.
I don't care what bad PR we get. Why should I? What I see is not what you civies see.
Let them soldiers learn from you.
What is and isn't wrong, and how bullshit the command can be.
When I was in Korea, we were told not to rent vehicles, not to go to bars under 21, not to go to Seoul before it opened.
Do you think that stopped the military? It didn't.
Because as a junior at the time, we had the mindset kf wnjoy it. We had NCOs who would watch our ass and even be out with us.
Because that is how it is
Did I agree politically with majority if the guys I was there with?
No, a few I did, but a few I didn't.
My current unit? A few I agree with and a few I don't.
The guys I am closest too? One is a classic liberal the other is a centrist leaning right.
We do nit care about politics at work. Because I trust them to do thier jobs no matter what.
I trust an officer I work with even though he thinks Trump is the worst person in the world.
Because in the end, it is up to me to help shape the soldiers.
But we are also adults, with our own identities, our own lives.
I don't care what bad PR we get. Why should I? What I see is not what you civies see.
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OK, let me clarify something for you that it appears the American military is forgetting to teach you and, given their actions regarding Trump, even many of the Joint Chiefs seem to have forgotten.
The US Military serves and is accountable to the Civilian Government. It does not get to do it's own thing. This means more than just the civilian government controlling the budget, it also means that civilian oversight gets to have a say in every little thing the military does. The head of the military is a civilian official, the President, and Congress gets to have oversight as well on how the military is trained, how it's personnel are behaving, and how it spends its money. Given that Congress is heavily driven by public perception of things due to them, yanno, REPRESENTING the People and States, this means that public perception of the military is absolutely critical for maintaining the military.
What has happened of late has strongly negatively impacted the formally most pro-military political party. You know what that means if you guys don't start cleaning up and trying to win back support? It means you'll have two political parties that won't give a damn about gutting the military's budget. It means that you'll have two political parties that won't give a damn about paying your veteran's benefits. It means you will have two political parties more interested in using the military as a political football than in ensuring security and readiness of US forces.
You need to understand that what the civilians see as your PR is more important than you own internal viewpoint, because civilians hold your purse strings. Congress can cancel your veterans benefits, take away that free college, and completely demolish all your bonus and pay and you can do NOTHING about it, since all that stuff was granted via a law and thus can be unilaterally ALTERED by a law.
The military is playing a very, VERY dangerous game with how it's becoming viewed by half the American public. And that can, and will, translate to how the military is treated by Congress.
Zach, I don't claim any detailed knowledge of US military rules, but it looks there as if you are making a very shaky assumption:
That Leftist SJW types can be trusted to follow the written rules of whatever organization they infiltrate.
They shouldn't be! Leftists don't follow other people's rules in good faith. They will pretend to, and will scream condemnation at any non-Leftist who infringes the rules even slightly, but if one of their fellow Leftists ignores the rules because those rules conflict with the goals of Leftism, they will cheerfully turn a blind eye.
Maybe your own training has lead you to take obedience to legitimate orders, verbal or written, so much for granted that the Leftist mindset is simply alien to you.
Then what can the military do that arnt the highest levels?
The biggest issue with civilians looking in don't realize how much he woke stuff isn't wide spread to the level it is often pushed.
We also do jot care about it.
yes the highest levels may be oushing it, but that is for congress and the president to deal woth.
hell, the secretary of the Army was being called out by Senator Cotton for beinf the reason the ACFT didnt become gender neutral.
the civilians that have never served such as secretary Of the Army Wormuth, who have political agendas, are part of thw reason for this.
Yes i know we have civilians at thw top.
it doesnt mean they should get to force thier politics becuase THAT IS WHAT HAS HAPPEND.
people who ere never military, never know what everyone experienced. Trying to tell us how things work.
people in congresss at least have vets and some currently serving gurard reservist....
As am enlisted it is diffrent for us from officers.
We are often thrown under the bus by officers if you have horrible ones.
Sometimes they can't get away with it because the rules predate the modern political split.
You can still punish someone who goes to a BLM protest in uniform just as going to a pro life one in uniform.
Same rules.
UCMJ is a political.
The JAG and commanders can change that, but if you are doing the right thing you are fine.
Zach, you know that old line about how 'Just because you want to ignore politics, doesn't mean politics will ignore you.'
The US military has tried to ignore that reality for too long, while also trying to have a 'Progressive' double standard at the political level, and now is losing support on both sides of the aisle because of it.
The reality is the UCMJ needs to be updated for modern times and the political participation regs tossed, because they are very selectively enforced and thus just a source of abuse.
Serving should not preclude service members openly participating in politics while in uniform, enlisted and officer alike, and the UCMJ should not be held to a higher importance than the US Constitution and the political rights enshrined in it.
We should be a country mature enough to handle our candidates having openly uniformed service members at their rallies, just like openly uniformed auto workers and other civie professions are able to.
It's time for the military to grow with the times, instead of fossilizing in it's mindset in regards to political participation in the modern world. When the shit is abused so selectively, the rule needs to go completely.
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The only problem I see with this is that if things are changed in regards to the rules it will be done so to benefit the wokies currently running the show.
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Good god, race-baiters are just god-awful and insufferable pricks. And not to be a race-baiter myself, but it almost always seems to be white liberals doing this kind of upside-down projection onto other white people.
They'll even describe non-white people as 'white supremacists' ffs...
its about power, if just 30% of america's black population stops voting democrat then the party is strait up fucked. This is the real reason they have gone off the chain.
This is also the reason why the dems are just going to give up on democracy when it stops working.