Yes,they could do so.But then they would piss Sweden becouse they could not sell their planes,not only Poland.
It is less probable,that USA piss 2 countries then one.
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It is less probable,that USA piss 2 countries then one.
Smart dude.We need sometching which keep working when our airfields would be destroyed,in case when kgbstan become competent,Caliphate become real,or China get here.
Not mention USA going 200% lgbt nuts and making lgbt Crusade on us.
Agent23
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Notice those videos I linked?
That is president Radev doing cool stuff with one of those inferior MiGs you keep bitching about.
By the fact he has actually flown a hell of a lot of different aircraft and is an actual high level airforce officer, his opinion trumps yours by a longshot.
EDIT here is his actual info:
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I mean, it really doesn't. Pilot skill only matters in the sense of you are able to detect, close, and get into a situation where your maneuvering wins the battle.
And we can see the F16s were able to dodge six fucking SAMs. F22s, sneak up on fuxking F4s without then noticing, check out thier load out, and then tell them thwy don't wanna do it.
That is jist off the top of my head in what we know skilled USAF pilots can do. The fact that fighter pilots in the USAF also fly more hours then majority of the world outside of western Europe...
And we can see the F16s were able to dodge six fucking SAMs. F22s, sneak up on fuxking F4s without then noticing, check out thier load out, and then tell them thwy don't wanna do it.
That is jist off the top of my head in what we know skilled USAF pilots can do. The fact that fighter pilots in the USAF also fly more hours then majority of the world outside of western Europe...
It should be pointed out that the Gripen saw modest success on the export market simply for being the cheapest “new” Western 4+ generation fighter and thus attractive to countries which had a limited defense budget. However, the so-called “Super” Gripen has been a complete failure in export because while it is more capable than the baseline Gripen, the substantial increase in cost spoils its relative value. Moreover, Super Gripen itself refutes the previous Swedish claim that as a new airframe design, Gripen had more room for future expansion than an F-16.
Now the truth is that Gripen is more expensive and less capable than a current update F-16, and future expansion is essentially nil. Super Gripen on the other hand is nearly as expensive as F-35 while being only on par with said updated F-16s. Truly a fool’s bargain for anyone but Sweden which must buy its own indigenous design out of national pride and independence.
Now the truth is that Gripen is more expensive and less capable than a current update F-16, and future expansion is essentially nil. Super Gripen on the other hand is nearly as expensive as F-35 while being only on par with said updated F-16s. Truly a fool’s bargain for anyone but Sweden which must buy its own indigenous design out of national pride and independence.
In other words -- any nation which can afford F-35s should not even consider any other fighter because stealth capability is that much of a game-changer. Even if your budget is very tight, you *absolutely* want F-35s as the "high" component in a high-low mix, with Eagle IIs or Vipers as the "low" component. Rafales are a the best alternate option for "low" if you don't want to be sole-source dependent on the United States; Typhoons drag you into the morass of international bureaucracy that is the Eurofighter upgrade program, and Gripen is just not keeping up.
Or make your own stealthy options like Japan and SK do.
SK isn't. The "KF-21 Boramae" is at best a semi-stealth design which even the Koreans class as 4th generation, and the last major development in that program was that it's indefinitely stalled because the United States denied permission to borrow technology from the F-35.
Not stalled anymore. It has a flying prototype since last year, and half a year ago in-flight radar testing was announced with at least 4 planes available now and 2 more planned to be completed this year.
AESA-equipped KF-21 fighter jet prototype has successful test-flight
A test flight of South Korea's domestically produced KF-21 Boramae fighter with an advanced active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar mounted has been conducted successfully, the arms procurement agency said Saturday, in the latest sign of progress in the advanced jet's development.
www.koreatimes.co.kr
Seen a lot of strange maneuvering with foreign financing partners indicating money problems being at least part of delays, but seems very much not stalled now.
Yeah, it probably won't be as stealthy as F-35, but besides that, it will still be more stealthy than all the operational European fighters.
Agent23
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Gripen is cheaper.
It is more rugged, as opposed to "having to run a vacuum cleaner" over the field before each take off and landing so as to make sure nothing damages the F-16's absurdly low engine and intakes.
Can fire a good assortment of modern missiles like the IRIS-T and the Meteor, and last I checked the latter is not something the F-16 can carry.
Overall it would work a hell of a lot better for us than the F-16, since we want a budget defensive solution and the territory we want to secure is not that big and we do not plan to offensively bomb anyone right now.
As to the Poles, well it really depends, do they want to go toe to toe with 4.5 and 5 fighters and play expansionist?
In those cases maaybee it might be a good choice for them to buy Rafale, since the Frenchies might be a lot of things, but scrupulous arms traders they are not.
They will sell anything to anyone and find all sorts of fun and profitable ways to get around embargoes.
It is more rugged, as opposed to "having to run a vacuum cleaner" over the field before each take off and landing so as to make sure nothing damages the F-16's absurdly low engine and intakes.
Can fire a good assortment of modern missiles like the IRIS-T and the Meteor, and last I checked the latter is not something the F-16 can carry.
Overall it would work a hell of a lot better for us than the F-16, since we want a budget defensive solution and the territory we want to secure is not that big and we do not plan to offensively bomb anyone right now.
As to the Poles, well it really depends, do they want to go toe to toe with 4.5 and 5 fighters and play expansionist?
In those cases maaybee it might be a good choice for them to buy Rafale, since the Frenchies might be a lot of things, but scrupulous arms traders they are not.
They will sell anything to anyone and find all sorts of fun and profitable ways to get around embargoes.
If they could operate from roads - sure,if not - they are waste of money.
Becouse Poland either would not fight at all,or somebody capable of destroing our airfields.
Indeed.
Since we do not need our lost territories back/there is notching worthy there except graves nad remnant of poles,which could be bring here/ we should go for Gripen.
Becouse french,in case we fight new old alliance Moscov-Berlin,would certainly stop delivering parts.
Norwegian Air Force land F-35 on highway; a first for them - Interesting Engineering
Norwegian pilots have successfully landed not one but two F-35A fighters on a highway in Finland for the first time.
interestingengineering.com
And you think Sweden is somehow harder to threaten or pressure? That is, besides the logistical problem, with such small production scales you don't even know if the planes and parts will exist in the numbers needed even if someone would be willing to provide them, but you do know that they will be expensive.
Also the rule of thumb is that any carrier capable aircraft is usually also fairly easy to adapt for highway airstrip operations, due to the gear durability and performance requirements that inherently come with such capability.
paulobrito
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Any modern jet fighter can operate (more or less) from roads.
If said road is certified to that weight - hint, many good quality roads are, but cheap roads/roads without maintenance are not.
They can land (if said road has enough free space on the sides) and take off.
But the necessary support units are not present, so is little more than a PR stunt.
And very few countries have mobile support units for that.
But doing one or two flights from a piece of autobahn? Is (relatively) easy. Operate a combat unit in wartime? Not the same, by a wide margin.
If said road is certified to that weight - hint, many good quality roads are, but cheap roads/roads without maintenance are not.
They can land (if said road has enough free space on the sides) and take off.
But the necessary support units are not present, so is little more than a PR stunt.
And very few countries have mobile support units for that.
But doing one or two flights from a piece of autobahn? Is (relatively) easy. Operate a combat unit in wartime? Not the same, by a wide margin.
Ukraine has already been operating their MiG-29's and Su-27's from roadways as well. There's multiple articles and reports about it.
Norwegian Air Force land F-35 on highway; a first for them - Interesting Engineering
Norwegian pilots have successfully landed not one but two F-35A fighters on a highway in Finland for the first time.
And you think Sweden is somehow harder to threaten or pressure? That is, besides the logistical problem, with such small production scales you don't even know if the planes and parts will exist in the numbers needed even if someone would be willing to provide them, but you do know that they will be expensive.
Also the rule of thumb is that any carrier capable aircraft is usually also fairly easy to adapt for highway airstrip operations, due to the gear durability and performance requirements that inherently come with such capability.
Indeed,i would have notching against F18,but F15 we plan to buy? they need airfields,and during war would be hangar queens.