Warship Appreciation Thread

[Marduk]

The point is that the shock-propagation damage to electronics is solvable by actually building for it. Even if it's literally just sticking the equipment in spring-isolated blocks or some other similarly tonnage-bleeding brute-force approach.

Kinda, to a degree.
But then how do you cover the antennas and armor the bridge and make fires not wreck shit?

Do you seriously think that a smaller ship with less engineering constraints on hull shaping is certain to be slower than the supercarriers?

Smaller, but very heavy for their size, Iowas in cold war mod have higher draft than a Nimitz or Ford.

They pour R&D money into a wide variety of hardware that this is true of. Because you can carry hundreds of times the ammo for the cargo space and cost of a typical cruise missile loadout with various forms of non-missile artillery.

Again, range problem.
Yeah, of course a 16in shell is smaller than a fucking Tomahawk, but it has something like 3% of its range.
Meanwhile, compared to a Harpoon, which has "only" 4x the range, the projectile alone is heavier than the Harpoon.

I'm not comparing the Iowas to the Nimitz or Gerald R Ford classes. I am saying that defensive design can in fact deal with cruise missiles, because the Iowas' issues almost all come from problems we've hammered at to try to avoid the same in the supercarriers. Getting electronics and crew to survive the shock propagation is an every-ship problem, not just a battleship problem, but a battleship gets devote much more tonnage to the answers.

Again, you can't cover the antennas. Also even if you somehow succeed, that just means the other side will stock some more Onyx/Granit sized missiles.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Let me ask, would you rather have say, the US blown back to the age of steam, or the bronze age?

I mean ideally blown back to pre-Cambrian levels, if you ask me.
But if I was living in the US, either option is equally bad.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I wonder if a telescoping sensor suite could help a battleship in the modern day.
The idea is have all the sensitive bits below the main deck plating, yeah you're blind, but you can use the sensors of your escorts.
Then after the enemy is out of AShM's, you raise the big boi sensors and blow them out of the water.

Frankly far more impractical than just building a bunch of destroyers, but big guns go booms.

 

[Zachowon]

Your bridge is still exposed and unarmored, and the fact of the matter is they are not fit for modern combat.
You are still way outranged by most rocket artillery let alone missiles

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Your bridge is still exposed and unarmored, and the fact of the matter is they are not fit for modern combat.
You are still way outranged by most rocket artillery let alone missiles

Move the bridge under the deck as well, who says it needs to be exposed, we have cameras now (which will certainly get exploded of course).

 

[Zachowon]

Move the bridge under the deck as well, who says it needs to be exposed, we have cameras now (which will certainly get exploded of course).

That doesn't work for ships though due to thier nature.
A bridge needs ti be in a spot where you can see with the Mark 1 eyeball for a reason.
Yes there are battle bridges inside the ship, but again, a modern AsHM would destroy everything of value.
Retractable sensors arnt really feasible in the way you think.
Radars can't just be folded up, neither can not Satcom dishes.
Not in a time frame that would be viable

 

[ATP]

Let me ask, would you rather have say, the US blown back to the age of steam, or the bronze age?

There are degrees of damage even in nuclear war, and the are ways to survive and rebuild if you are able to keep some amount of equipment, knowhow, and resources alive so as few knowledge gaps as possible exist among those who rebuild.

True enough.Even during cold war,there was no enough H bombs to kill entire USA,not mention humanity - becouse soviets must use some on China,too.

 

[Marduk]

I wonder if a telescoping sensor suite could help a battleship in the modern day.

Nope.
Look at any high end modern warship.

If i told you to put a circle on all sensors and antennas on the picture, it would take a long time, and the picture would be hardly recognizable.
Can you imagine the mechanical complexity of making all that telescoping?
Now don't forget to ensure that all these moving parts need maintenance, they need to be reinforced to not warp from aging or a hit so the sensor would be broken anyway, and then remember that EM interference can be a bitch and even small inaccuracies in the telescoping gear from age, wear or damage can fuck up the radar stats.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Battle of Drobak Sound forcesub.



Not sure replacing the Blucher with the USS Gerald R. Ford and putting it in the exact same position as the German Heavy Cruiser is worth such an expensive simulation but there you go.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Perun Did a Video on Aircraft Carriers and their Future.



The video starts with a brief history of the Carrier and its origins, what is a carrier and the different types, before covering all of the various countries that operate carriers starting with the US Navy, and covering France, the United Kingdom, China and India as well as Russia and often adding some interesting anecdotes, especially in regards to China's first carrier (theme park) acquisition.

He then covers their strategic purpose and why countries would want them and then the economics of building and operating a carrier, their vulnerabilities both historically (such as air attack and submarines) and new ones (hypersonic glide vehicles and antiship ballistic missiles) and possible countermeasures from Carriers and finally what is the future of the aircraft carrier, or if there are alternatives to them.

 

[Bacle]

Man, what a find; the fact any of that has survived is amazing.

Really neat to have the actual blueprints, drafts, and constructions photo's for Musashi, when so much of that stuff was lost at the end of the war.

 

[Bacle]

Guess it'll need some repair work like the Sullivan's did last year.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Guess it'll need some repair work like the Sullivan's did last year.

The Old Girl has probably seen worse. She’ll pull through, no doubt.

For such a small and somewhat poor country, Greece’s navy is surprisingly powerful all things considered.

 

[Husky_Khan]

The Old Girl has probably seen worse. She’ll pull through, no doubt.

For such a small and somewhat poor country, Greece’s navy is surprisingly powerful all things considered.

Need to keep the Ottoman backed Barbary Pirates at bay. We can't afford to lose Crete, Rhodes and Cyprus again.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

 

[Lord Sovereign]

You know, I’m a Royal Navy stan, but Iowa class battleships are some of the most handsome vessels ever built.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

You know, I’m a Royal Navy stan, but Iowa class battleships are some of the most handsome vessels ever built.

Here's a lovely large-scale model of HMS Hood that is part of the museum displays on board USS Iowa.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

(This is a large-scale model of HMS Hood that's on display on board USS Iowa.)

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Here's a lovely large-scale model of HMS Hood that is part of the museum displays on board USS Iowa.

Ah the Mighty Hood. One of the most beautiful warships ever built and perhaps a touch more handsome than the Iowas. She’s the peak of the Great War era capital ship design as far as I’m concerned.

Such a shame what happened to her, but such are the fortunes of war.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Ah the Mighty Hood. One of the most beautiful warships ever built and perhaps a touch more handsome than the Iowas. She’s the peak of the Great War era capital ship design as far as I’m concerned.

Such a shame what happened to her, but such are the fortunes of war.

From a technical point of view, it's interesting to see how comparatively sparse her superstructure is -- on top of not having a unified superstructure like the American BBs tended to, she has so few AA guns in the upper works. It's very clear that this is a warship that was designed prior to aircraft being considered much of a serious threat.