Western Civilization - what is it? and it enemies

[ATP]

Exactly like that.What,in your opinion,made West,well,West - and who is fighting us,and why.
Also - defeats and victories.

Here,what i think - West is made from Aristotle philosophy,Roman Law,and Christian/not judeo-christian/ morality.
And,since it depending on religion,could be saved by religion.
If we really ask God and His Holy Mother for help.

Few cases:

1.Equador - President Garcia Moreno offered his country to Holy Heart of Jesus in 1874,and in 2024 vovs were renewed.Country is one of few peaciful in South America.
Masons murdered him for that when he leaved Church,but they could not destroy country till it is in Jesus hands.

2.Colombia - it was constant war,till president Alvaro Uribe,good catholic,gave his country to Holy Heart of Jesus.Civil war stopped.

Of course,you could not mock God and pretend to be good christians,becouse it would not work then.

3.Poland in 1920 asked God for help,every woman go pray to Church,and all able poles go to army.We win - but,we let masons and socialist rule later,and in 1939 God could not saved us.

 

[ATP]

Polish philosopher,Henryk Elzenberg,belived that sense of life mean fighting against not only evil,but also conformism,cowardice and ugliness.
I think,that he was right,and that evil simply must be ugly and covardly.

 

[RenegadeInterrupt]

Here,what i think - West is made from Aristotle philosophy,Roman Law,and Christian/not judeo-christian/ morality.

It... literally was Judeo-Christian, though? Jews were very instrumental in the establishment of the U.S. as it is today - which is, of course, the lodestar juggernaut of the West.

 

[ATP]

It... literally was Judeo-Christian, though? Jews were very instrumental in the establishment of the U.S. as it is today - which is, of course, the lodestar juggernaut of the West.

Nope.roman law,greek philosophy,and christian morality.Not jewish morality.
And in 1776 USA was created without jew help.Just like their Constitution.
Jews could be blamed for Federal reserve,but it is what kill USA now.

 

[RenegadeInterrupt]

Nope.roman law,greek philosophy,and christian morality.Not jewish morality.
And in 1776 USA was created without jew help.Just like their Constitution.
Jews could be blamed for Federal reserve,but it is what kill USA now.

I wasn't talking about the founding. And no, Jews cannot be blamed for the Fed. That was the Freemasons. Senator Nelson Aldrich led the meeting at Jekyll Island that led to the founding of the Fed, he was a Freemason and a harbinger of the Rockefeller dynasty, and all were Christians.

 

[Cherico]

I wasn't talking about the founding. And no, Jews cannot be blamed for the Fed. That was the Freemasons. Senator Nelson Aldrich led the meeting at Jekyll Island that led to the founding of the Fed, he was a Freemason and a harbinger of the Rockefeller dynasty, and all were Christians.

thank you for that.

 

[ATP]

I wasn't talking about the founding. And no, Jews cannot be blamed for the Fed. That was the Freemasons. Senator Nelson Aldrich led the meeting at Jekyll Island that led to the founding of the Fed, he was a Freemason and a harbinger of the Rockefeller dynasty, and all were Christians.

Rockefellers are jews,but i agree that it was mostly mason work.

 

[RenegadeInterrupt]

Rockefellers are jews

No.

John D. Rockefeller - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[King of Light]

Left wing ideology is technically a western set of ideas, one that represents a hatred against its source. Like a son/daughter that hates their father.

I do also find fun how Marx's own life was, it does crystallize a bunch of things.
Hatred against the Parents.
Hatred against God.
Hatred against his own culture.

The thing is that I find more ironic is that Marx...wasn't really poor, but feared becoming one or having to work (which were things poor people do) since well...that makes you look poor (that is the only way I can perceive their inability to economize money).

 

[ATP]

No.

John D. Rockefeller - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Well,good,then i could blame it on protestants,not jews.
Althought Heine wrote,that protestants are jews who eat pigs....

 

[King of Light]

Just think like this.
People do things that end up growing into structures of tyranny.
Rockfeller had an interest in having a monopoly. The government had an interest in controlling fuel production and the current president needed economical support.
Win-Win for them. Loss-Loss for the people.

 

[ATP]

How western civilization almost get destroyed - by state education,mainstream media and entertainment
It could be named as Triade from hell.

How to fight it?
home education,real catholic media and sport.Maybe somebody have better ideas?

 

[ATP]

British anthropolog,Joseph Unwin, in 1934 finished his work which checked 86 cultures and proved that monogamy and virginity before marriage is thing which made cultures strong - and abadonning that lead to fall in 3 generations.
And people stop rational thinking in last stage.
It seems,that WQest is just in 3 generation....

 

[ATP]

John Gray,british philosopher ,show funny thing - Liberalism was created by western monoteism,and its freedom part of christian civilization.and now it want to destroy Chrystianity but keep its freedoms.
Which,of course,is impossible.

 

[Cherico]

Well,good,then i could blame it on protestants,not jews.
Althought Heine wrote,that protestants are jews who eat pigs....

No, no they are not.

Protestants are their own thing, they are not a member of the tribe, if they wish to become jews I would gladly welcome them to the tribe but they are not. I respect that protestants are their own thing and are doing their own thing. I just want to do my own thing.

 

[Dauerschriff]

British anthropolog,Joseph Unwin, in 1934 finished his work which checked 86 cultures and proved that monogamy and virginity before marriage is thing which made cultures strong - and abadonning that lead to fall in 3 generations.
And people stop rational thinking in last stage.
It seems,that WQest is just in 3 generation....

If i may object, (i did not read it Unwin, but i read Levi Strauss)


It is a myth or an ideal but was never a reality. Like saying the press is free and neutral.
Or that prostitution does not exist and was not rife and normal.

Monogamy was never the norm for those who could afford polygamy (a minority), it was social monogamy (cheating was rife), and virginity before marriage is dubious. Victorian propaganda. Unless you speak of arranged marriage/ childhood sweetheart married at 15-18, but again not normal again. Hajnal Line;
Monogamy is the norm because of money and violence. Hence mistresses and affairs.
We have more females ancestry and genetic diversity than males one. Science is brutal.

However it kept the working class under control (the illusion if you are not a believer) that they were good and moral and would be rewarded in the afterlife, was yes, far more effective than the insane hopes of democracies.

 

[ATP]

No, no they are not.

Protestants are their own thing, they are not a member of the tribe, if they wish to become jews I would gladly welcome them to the tribe but they are not. I respect that protestants are their own thing and are doing their own thing. I just want to do my own thing.

I knew.Heine still write that!/well,about puritans,not all protestants/

If i may object, (i did not read it Unwin, but i read Levi Strauss)

I read reviev of his book.

It is a myth or an ideal but was never a reality. Like saying the press is free and neutral.

Ideal.

Or that prostitution does not exist and was not rife and normal.

there were societies where it not existed.

Monogamy was never the norm for those who could afford polygamy (a minority), it was social monogamy (cheating was rife), and virginity before marriage is dubious. Victorian propaganda. Unless you speak of arranged marriage/ childhood sweetheart married at 15-18, but again not normal again. Hajnal Line;
Monogamy is the norm because of money and violence. Hence mistresses and affairs.
We have more females ancestry and genetic diversity than males one. Science is brutal.

Yet societies who keep it still take over the world,when those who openly practices polygamy lost to them.

However it kept the working class under control (the illusion if you are not a believer) that they were good and moral and would be rewarded in the afterlife, was yes, far more effective than the insane hopes of democracies.

That normal for all societies.Society which do not belive in God/gods is destinied to fall quickly.Like EU now.

 

[Dauerschriff]

I knew.Heine still write that!/well,about puritans,not all protestants/


I read reviev of his book.

Ideal.

there were societies where it not existed.

Yet societies who keep it still take over the world,when those who openly practices polygamy lost to them.

That normal for all societies.Society which do not belive in God/gods is destinied to fall quickly.Like EU now.

- Ideal indeed.

- Prostitution being shunned (as it should be) and abnormal is different. The act of outlawing it is linked to leftist feminism not to traditional societies. It is like mercenaries, shunned but a necessity.

I would Disagree About Islam/Moghols/else.
Polygamy is very efficient to:
- maintain high level of population growth
- and creating a large surplus of disposable young men for war and expansion
- And Overrunning civilization with monogamy in time of peace
- Monogamy is more stable true and create richer society for obvious parental investment reason. However most civilizations including the western one always allowed rich/nobles men polygamy one way or another as a reward.
- Polygamous Africa has less HIV

Would you not agree that Polygamy is extremely efficient for it's purpose: conquest.

 

[ATP]

- Ideal indeed.

- Prostitution being shunned (as it should be) and abnormal is different. The act of outlawing it is linked to leftist feminism not to traditional societies. It is like mercenaries, shunned but a necessity.

Not always.There were societies where both prostitution/as kind of work/ and mercaneries do not existed.
Which do not mean that some womans do not take money for sex,but not as their work for living.The same goes for people taking money for fighting - they could do that,but they do not lived from that.

I would Disagree About Islam/Moghols/else.
Polygamy is very efficient to:
- maintain high level of population growth

agree.

- and creating a large surplus of disposable young men for war and expansion

agree.

- And Overrunning civilization with monogamy in time of peace

agree.

- Monogamy is more stable true and create richer society for obvious parental investment reason. However most civilizations including the western one always allowed rich/nobles men polygamy one way or another as a reward.

No,lovers were not the same thing.

- Polygamous Africa has less HIV

Would you not agree that Polygamy is extremely efficient for it's purpose: conquest.

Wery good - in times where people win in glorious melee.Now? it is time of armored knights again,and one well trained soldier could massacre tribals with AK,like knights of old massacred savages with spears.

 

[King of Light]

The problem with prostitution is less it and more 'MODERN prostitution'.
One is a consequence of humanity's plight and life over the earth, the life we live carries us, and some end up in really bad situations and...well, they survive. I don't think they are devalued due to it.
Now the other has a special poison called 'feminism' and 'misandry', which consistently devalues, promotes a utilitarian frame set, and creates misery for women and men likewise, no matter their social position.

It is telling that you see more women calling each other 'sluts' or 'bitches' than men. And we are talking about men who were sleeping with prostitutes before...
Now let's ask ourselves. Which ones were devaluing and disrespecting women? Women themselves.