What's really behind the destruction of Europe? by SteamPoweredShoelace

Bassoe

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European boycotts on energy imports are collapsing it's economy. Energy prices are soaring and Industrial output is falling. In two months there will be rolling blackouts, and widespread lack of indoor heating and hot water in places that were previously thought of as "rich". Nearly all small businesses are going go out of business. They won't be bought, they'll just go out of business and disappear.

European heads of state are acknowledging this future, but are refusing to do anything to prevent it. They say it must be done. Europe must endure hardship. But why? Why must Europe suffer?

The stated reason is so that the "enemy" will suffer. But that's not happening, and they still continue down this road. The next reason is to "green the planet". Which also isn't happening.

For context: The way we know it's not those two reasons is because cash payments to Russia for energy have increased, even as energy imports fall, due to the artificial squeeze on supply raising energy prices; and this won't result in less emissions because the proposed short term solutions for making up this energy shortfall are to fire up defunct coal plants and just burn coal instead.

So what's the real reason?

The real prize is Small and Medium Enterprises (SMEs). Companies with hundreds of employees. These medium-sized companies have assets, hardware, clients, and skilled labor. They either compete with large corporations, or they are part of their supply chain. SMEs account for more than half of the GDP in Europe, and employ more than 60% of all workers. Together they have more wealth than the major corporations, but they have much less cash. When their income stops, they will go on the market for a fraction of their current value. Large corporations are going to gobble them up. Creating larger and larger monopolies.

What we are about to see is the largest merger and acquisition wave in history. This is the end of the "well-off" wealth in Europe. It's going to get messy.
 

PsihoKekec

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The government (both state and EU) attitude towards SMEs is rather predatory.

In Slovenia this is a legacy of our socialist past, when small private enterprises were allowed but not wanted, so bureaucracy did their best to impede them and the attitude carried on past death of socialism. I thought the attitude was less negative in the West but talking to people from places like Germany and France disabused me of that notion, it looks like different paths can lead to the same end point.
In general the big businesses can leverage their influence to get passed legislation that is advantageous to them and devastating to smaller businesses, along with endless bailouts. Bureaucracy on the other hand has to take on someone to justify it's endless expansion, but not big businesses as their execs play golf with top administrators and also have armies of lawyers and accountants on their payroll, small businesses are thereby much better targets for everyday ego affirmation.

Not to mention that we are in the looting phase of our civilization, so the ones with the power trying devour as much wealth as possible, those with some wealth and little power (middle class) are thus the prime target.
 
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AnimalNoodles

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Arrogance, narcissism and wishful thinking.

The entire elite is infected with the mode of thinking that they can bend reality to their will. "I think, therefore it is."

There is also the modern neoliberal status anxiety. They would sooner destroy themselves than lose status by looking bad in front of thier peers by negotiating with the the MAGAChud....errr....Russians.

In the Neoliberal mindset people who oppose them are literally opposing the future, and are thus either insane, stupid or evil. Thus you cannot negotiate with them in good faith nor do you need to consider them fully human anmd worthy of rights and respect. There is a seamless continuum of behaviour between how they treat a dissident podcaster, to how they treated the truckers to how they are dealing with Russia.
 

Marduk

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Arrogance, narcissism and wishful thinking.

The entire elite is infected with the mode of thinking that they can bend reality to their will. "I think, therefore it is."

There is also the modern neoliberal status anxiety. They would sooner destroy themselves than lose status by looking bad in front of thier peers by negotiating with the the MAGAChud....errr....Russians.

In the Neoliberal mindset people who oppose them are literally opposing the future, and are thus either insane, stupid or evil. Thus you cannot negotiate with them in good faith nor do you need to consider them fully human anmd worthy of rights and respect.
What i find surprising in this and many other takes in more or less aspiring spicy takes on this situation is how often people forget to mention the absolutely critical role of green politics in this mess.
Being reliant on Russian gas for energy of all things is something that many have warned about for years, sometimes more than a decade. They were called "russophobic" and paranoid.
Yet now out of all people, many on the "dissident right" suddenly are more eager to complain about "phobic" people, out of all people doing that huge lol here, than take an opportunity to go "told ya!" at the green nutjobs.
Considering the similar silence about the choice combination of their Russia reliant energy policy and green nutjob simping on the liberal side too, there has to be some odd political alliance alignment of interests there.
If not for the widespread acceptance of green bullshit in western halls of power, western countries would have had less unreliable renewables and natural gas power meant to compensate for that unreliability, and more coal and nuclear power, in addition to more domestic oil production (see: green lobbying against pipelines and shale gas in USA and Canada).

There is a seamless continuum of behaviour between how they treat a dissident podcaster, to how they treated the truckers to how they are dealing with Russia.
The scandal here isn't that they treat a hostile foreign power like it should be treated, it's that they treat their own citizens like a hostile foreign power.
 

AnimalNoodles

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What i find surprising in this and many other takes in more or less aspiring spicy takes on this situation is how often people forget to mention the absolutely critical role of green politics in this mess.
Being reliant on Russian gas for energy of all things is something that many have warned about for years, sometimes more than a decade. They were called "russophobic" and paranoid.
Yet now out of all people, many on the "dissident right" suddenly are more eager to complain about "phobic" people, out of all people doing that huge lol here, than take an opportunity to go "told ya!" at the green nutjobs.
Considering the similar silence about the choice combination of their Russia reliant energy policy and green nutjob simping on the liberal side too, there has to be some odd political alliance alignment of interests there.
If not for the widespread acceptance of green bullshit in western halls of power, western countries would have had less unreliable renewables and natural gas power meant to compensate for that unreliability, and more coal and nuclear power, in addition to more domestic oil production (see: green lobbying against pipelines and shale gas in USA and Canada).

Modern Green thinking is, all to often "I think, therefore it is."
 

ATP

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Europe is ravaged by one revolution after another - first 1517,then 1789,then 1917,then 1968 - and now children of 1968 are ruling over us.
 

Syzygy

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I've said it before, and I will keep saying it until the inevitable comes to pass: the obsession with centralizing authority at any cost will bite them in the ass when an outside force stumbles into the position of power they are desperately cultivating to preserve their dynasty. That, or one of their own will see an opportunity to seize power and purge any competitors, because for whatever reason the elites cannot reconcile the conflicting notions of "I will sit on the mountaintop" and "so do all of my peers that are helping me climb."
 

WolfBear

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The government (both state and EU) attitude towards SMEs is rather predatory.

In Slovenia this is a legacy of our socialist past, when small private enterprises were allowed but not wanted, so bureaucracy did their best to impede them and the attitude carried on past death of socialism. I thought the attitude was less negative in the West but talking to people from places like Germany and France disabused me of that notion, it looks like different paths can lead to the same end point.
In general the big businesses can leverage their influence to get passed legislation that is advantageous to them and devastating to smaller businesses, along with endless bailouts. Bureaucracy on the other hand has to take on someone to justify it's endless expansion, but not big businesses as their execs play golf with top administrators and also have armies of lawyers and accountants on their payroll, small businesses are thereby much better targets for everyday ego affirmation.

Not to mention that we are in the looting phase of our civilization, so the ones with the power trying devour as much wealth as possible, those with some wealth and little power (middle class) are thus the prime target.

So, Eastern Europe has Western Europe's problems minus immigration and to a certain extent Wokeness? I guess that this makes sense. And of course Eastern Europe is considerably more corrupt than most of Western Europe is:


Seems like reducing bureaucracy and making government more transparent (in order to make it easier to identify government officials who steal) seems like a good idea, no?
 
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WolfBear

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There’s been far too much political centralization lately, and a bit too much economic centralization as well.

Not sure about Europe, but the US has been experiencing political centralization since the Civil War, and then with World War I and the New Deal and World War II and the Cold War and beyond.
 

TheRomanSlayer

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Just how big would the protests be in Europe come around next month, let alone December? Because if it's going to be a literal dark winter, I fear that the protests would end up making the Arab Spring look like the Freedom Convoy protests in Ottawa.
 

Cherico

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Just how big would the protests be in Europe come around next month, let alone December? Because if it's going to be a literal dark winter, I fear that the protests would end up making the Arab Spring look like the Freedom Convoy protests in Ottawa.
Won't know till we get there
 

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