Circle of Willis
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In 1969, tensions between the Soviet Union and PRC were at an all-time high. Longstanding border issues from Xinjiang to Manchuria had been exacerbated by the ideological break between the two Communist powers, with Chairman Mao disavowing the Soviets after Khrushchev succeeded Stalin and began to back away from the harshest excesses of the latter's policies: basically, to keep a long story short, the ideological side of their split was defined by the Chinese condemning the Soviets as 'revisionists' for no longer being sufficiently psychotic & totalitarian to qualify as 'real' Communists, while the Soviets were moving from quiet to open contempt of the more radical Chinese and the excesses of Mao's Cultural Revolution following the Great Leap Forward's tumble off a cliff and especially Mao criticizing their invasion of Czechoslovakia (not because he liked the Czechoslovaks, Dubcek's 'socialism with a human face' was even worse 'revisionism' in his eyes, but because it signaled a Soviet willingness to go to war to maintain Communist orthodoxy as they envisioned it). Over a hundred men (total) died in various skirmishes between the two red giants across 1969, and both Mao and Brezhnev did actually plan for the possibility of open hostilities with one another, until Ho Chi Minh's death and funeral provided an opportunity for deescalation.
But what if any of the preceding border incidents had escalated to open warfare between China and the Soviet Union before even a limited attempt at deescalation & reconciliation could get off the ground? May be worth noting that the Soviets had many more nukes, but were genuinely concerned that China could still have enough men left over to pull off human wave attacks that threatened Vladivostok & the Trans-Siberian Railroad. Meanwhile China, besides not being as well-armed when it came to nukes, was still in the throes of the Cultural Revolution's climax - they just barely came down from having a bunch of mini-civil wars across their cities the year before and there are still rampaging hordes of crazed student-revolutionaries raping, lynching and eating (not even necessarily in that order!) basically anyone they didn't like in Guangxi, Guangdong and frankly probably a lot of other places still.
My own expectations are that the Soviets would ultimately win; Mao breaks his own record for Chinese deaths before getting vaporized himself; and above all Communism would lose. Obviously, North Vietnam's patrons going to war with one another the year after the Tet Offensive would give the US & South Vietnam probably their best singular opening to win the Vietnam War, ever. I imagine the Soviets having to glass China (because I don't see Mao, who's been at the peak of his murderous insanity for a while as of 1969, choosing to back down once war is declared) will also hurt Soviet efforts to meddle in the Third World, as nuking one's fellow (and critically, non-white & even more aggressively 'anti-imperialist'!) Communists will probably make the 'we're here to deliver you from the evil white colonialists of the West' angle a little more difficult to sell, to put it mildly.
But what if any of the preceding border incidents had escalated to open warfare between China and the Soviet Union before even a limited attempt at deescalation & reconciliation could get off the ground? May be worth noting that the Soviets had many more nukes, but were genuinely concerned that China could still have enough men left over to pull off human wave attacks that threatened Vladivostok & the Trans-Siberian Railroad. Meanwhile China, besides not being as well-armed when it came to nukes, was still in the throes of the Cultural Revolution's climax - they just barely came down from having a bunch of mini-civil wars across their cities the year before and there are still rampaging hordes of crazed student-revolutionaries raping, lynching and eating (not even necessarily in that order!) basically anyone they didn't like in Guangxi, Guangdong and frankly probably a lot of other places still.
My own expectations are that the Soviets would ultimately win; Mao breaks his own record for Chinese deaths before getting vaporized himself; and above all Communism would lose. Obviously, North Vietnam's patrons going to war with one another the year after the Tet Offensive would give the US & South Vietnam probably their best singular opening to win the Vietnam War, ever. I imagine the Soviets having to glass China (because I don't see Mao, who's been at the peak of his murderous insanity for a while as of 1969, choosing to back down once war is declared) will also hurt Soviet efforts to meddle in the Third World, as nuking one's fellow (and critically, non-white & even more aggressively 'anti-imperialist'!) Communists will probably make the 'we're here to deliver you from the evil white colonialists of the West' angle a little more difficult to sell, to put it mildly.