Women protest at new Polish abortion laws

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Thousands of protesters gathered in Warsaw to demonstrate a ruling that meant Poland has a near-total ban on abortion. A decision last week by the country's constitutional court banned virtually all abortions, sparking a week of protests.

It ruled that abortions due to birth defects, which make up a majority of all legal terminations in Poland, are unconstitutional. The country's laws on abortion were already some of the strictest in Europe.

Poland is a largely conservative country compared to much of Europe, a place where churches fill up on Sundays and Roman Catholicism is deeply interwoven with the national identity. The country's abortion law, which was forged in 1993 between the political and Catholic church leaders of the time, allowed abortion only in the cases of fetal defects, risk to the woman’s health and crimes — incest or rape. The law has been often described as a “compromise” between those seeking liberal abortion regulations and the church, which favours a total ban.

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I believe that this puts the "Based Poland" to bed then. There is a reason accelerationists exist on the far right side.

I have said it before, feminism is what opens you up to the rest of leftism.
 
Found something on Neogaf:




Thousands of protesters gathered in Warsaw to demonstrate a ruling that meant Poland has a near-total ban on abortion. A decision last week by the country's constitutional court banned virtually all abortions, sparking a week of protests.

It ruled that abortions due to birth defects, which make up a majority of all legal terminations in Poland, are unconstitutional. The country's laws on abortion were already some of the strictest in Europe.

Poland is a largely conservative country compared to much of Europe, a place where churches fill up on Sundays and Roman Catholicism is deeply interwoven with the national identity. The country's abortion law, which was forged in 1993 between the political and Catholic church leaders of the time, allowed abortion only in the cases of fetal defects, risk to the woman’s health and crimes — incest or rape. The law has been often described as a “compromise” between those seeking liberal abortion regulations and the church, which favours a total ban.

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I believe that this puts the "Based Poland" to bed then. There is a reason accelerationists exist on the far right side.

I have said it before, feminism is what opens you up to the rest of leftism.

Of course, it is to be expected that they will resist this because abortion is the life blood of the left. It's the pinnacle of the Culture of Death. So they have to resist it.
 
Of course, it is to be expected that they will resist this because abortion is the life blood of the left. It's the pinnacle of the Culture of Death. So they have to resist it.

How else can they also justify other things that involve much “sacrifice” and “guilting” people for using up too many resources and causing “global warming”?

Part of their lifeblood is the concept of “sacrifice”

But they expect YOU to be the ones doing the “sacrificing” for them or “others”

All while the elites supporting this spend lots of money on alcohol and expensive cars
 
How else can they also justify other things that involve much “sacrifice” and “guilting” people for using up too many resources and causing “global warming”?

Part of their lifeblood is the concept of “sacrifice”

But they expect YOU to be the ones doing the “sacrificing” for them or “others”

All while the elites supporting this spend lots of money on alcohol and expensive cars
You're pro-life now?
 
You're pro-life now?

I’m explaining the thought process of these dudes

They operate on a sort of “the needs of the many” and “How dare you!?” with a Greta Thunberg voice

Except it’s not just Climate Change or even “Family Planning”

It’s anything they can get their hands on whilst villifying the existing customer base or creator circle that doesn’t really comply and even villifying those who do

Try seeing things as “clubs” and Far Leftists as being enthusiastic “fans” who are gonna wreck even military operations

Hell, they’ll even wreck your life and make everyone think you’re a rapist or racist regardless of the lack of evidence or the amount of stuff that goes against what is said
 
I’m explaining the thought process of these dudes

They operate on a sort of “the needs of the many” and “How dare you!?” with a Greta Thunberg voice

Except it’s not just Climate Change or even “Family Planning”

It’s anything they can get their hands on whilst villifying the existing customer base or creator circle that doesn’t really comply and even villifying those who do

Try seeing things as “clubs” and Far Leftists as being enthusiastic “fans” who are gonna wreck even military operations

Hell, they’ll even wreck your life and make everyone think you’re a rapist or racist regardless of the lack of evidence or the amount of stuff that goes against what is said
So, you know that the elite want to have people get abortions. You know it's evil and kills babies.
 
So, you know that the elite want to have people get abortions. You know it's evil and kills babies.

Dude, no matter what, I’ll never be a TradCon

But I honestly think if they don’t want the babies they should have worn a condom, actually watched their periods and if they were pregnant, give the baby to some orphanage or something and make it so that they can never find out whom their biological parents are/were

If they were married however, I gotta say I don’t have much sympathy if they want kids later and find out they can’t anymore
 
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Dude, no matter what, I’ll never be a TradCon

But I honestly think if they don’t want the babies they should have worn a condom, actually watched their periods and if they were pregnant, give the baby to some orphanage or something and make it so that they can never find out whom their biological parents are/were

If they were married however, I gotta say I don’t have much sympathy if they want kids later and find out they can’t anymore
It's not about being TradCon or not. Abortion is not a bipartisan issue. It's about what is The Truth. And they know that if you have sex you will get pregnant.

Your moderate position makes no sense. Either it's all okay or nothing is okay.
 
Not necessarily. Of course the Left is going to muster up enough people to protest. It doesn't mean they aren't a loud minority like the protests in here.

Riiight, since I'm Polish I'll add a few words on the subject.

Also typing from phone, so I will keep this relatively short, though a full essey would be needed.

In total, about 67% of Poles support the previously existing "abortion compromise". Some 19% wants law to be more liberal, about 14% wants it more restrictive.

The protests we see are more complicated then "just" abortion issue, however given how well organized and funded they are, with "liberal media", academics and groups / organisations known to be sponsored by "Open Society Foundation" all in lockstep, we could be looking at another "colour revolution" sponsored by "you-know-who" (ROTFL @ the pun).

That's just a theory though.

However, the abortion issue appears to be the proverbial spark that lit the fuse of discontent that's has been brewing for quite some time.

Law and Justice came to power over previously ruling Civic Platform over issues such as: graft, corruption, appalling arrogance of disconnected politicians living in friendly media bubble, nepotism, country and state apparatus being completely dysfunctional to the point of the state basically coming apart at it's seams, authorities being "strong" in minor cases of crime / against "little people", yet completely helpless in cases of "big" (well-connected) crime / corruption cases. And let's not forget "amazingly common" cases of politically inconvenient people suffering "serial suicides".

All while the CP had it's fingers stuck in their ears singing "all is well, all is good".
Which it was, but only for them and their cronies.

Not so for the rest of the population, it is estimated some 2-2,5 million Poles left the country because of unemployment during their reign that saw the second emigration wave (first was after we entered EU).

All in all the CP loosing power was fully deserved, they've thought they'd rule forever as they "had nobody to loose against".

Then came out the "tapes of truth" scandal, where important CP politicians were secretly recorded and everybody got to see what it really looks like behind the curtains, and what they think of the population.

(Given how utterly, slavishly servile Law and Justice is to US, with the US ambassador acting as province governor in all but name, my personal theory is that it was the US, not Russia as some claimed, that was behind this "soft regime change". Especially as CP was / is a client of German interests, and Russia has no reason to undermine Germans like that, especially not when knowing the most likely replacement "likes" Russia about as much as Hitler "liked" the Jews... Law and Justice basically hate Russia more then they love Poland.)

CP lost soundly, Law and Justice took power on promise of setting things right.

Which, to some degree, they did or at least were seen trying to do - that is they managed to "sell themselves" as champions of the common people, while the CP couldn't give less of a damn about "them unwashed masses", caring only about circlejerk of friendly media and self-appointed "elites".

Basically France prior to sage advice of eating cakes in absence of bread...

But as usual in politics, the L&J became victims of their own success. Arrogance, "we know better then you", graft, corruption, incompetence, nepotism, waste of public money with grandiose declarations nothing ever comes out of, and much ridiculed propaganda (seriously, our state television is compared to N.Korean one, and not without reason...) became their norm.

Just like CP before them.

There was a publicity stunt about emergency buy of medical equipment from China, the list of what actually arrived had to be revised time and again because "stuff grew legs" and money went for undelivered items, while the purchase was made via company of some known arms dealer and Minister's of Health buddy / skiing instructor.

Same minister whose family LLC company during his term grew about 1000 times in capitalisation without any transaction history to back it... Just imagine the same with a "normal person"...

Also, more and more their propaganda and observable reality are at odds. L&J had a slogan of "getting off our knees", in reference to CP being completely servile to Berlin and Merkel.

Only now they are even more servile to US and Ambassador Mossbacher acting in worst tradition of Russian governors during Partitions of Poland then CP at it's worse ever was.

Then is the matter of abortion issue that L&J made promises about when they won their first election, and did completely nothing about for whole first term and 2 years out of 5 of second term. Yet when they "wanted" - for example US ambassador told them to, laws would be written literally over night and passed (Sejm, Senate, presidential signature) in the morning.

And then the duck-tator of Poland, Kaczyński (kaczka is duck, so "duck-inski") decided that "all good and moral people should support this" and decided our agricultural sector, a powerhouse in export of kosher and halal beef and poultry, can do without this and to ban ritual slaughter for export.
Also to ban fur industry in which we're also a big player, and also which consumes animal waste products from meat industry, which would greatly raise costs for said meat industry as they would need waste incinerated, and that's very expensive and dominated by German companies.

So basically kiss of death for small, family owned companies that will be wiped out and replaced by big internationals.

There were massive protests, so the duck-tator "relented" by "reducing" ritual slaughter ban only to beef, leaving poultry legal.
Only that beef is mostly family business, while poultry is dominated by big international corporations.
Cue more protests...

Also, during L&J time, pork industry has been gutted under pretense of fighting swine flu. Swine flu that is spread by frozen carcasses of pigs delivered in car boots and dropped by "unknown perpetrators" next to independent pig farms. Then the pigs get culled on sheer suspicion of being infected with no legal recourse.

Kaczyński is an old guard "big state", "tax and spend" socialist who larps as conservative (mostly do to how our political scene evolved and who got which role) but hates private business, considers making a profit for yourself something deeply suspicious and immoral, and tries to re-enact pre-WW2 "Sanacja" government that likewise hated private business and did all it could to make everything state-run (by their own cronies of course).

CP OTOH was all about "privatise (at firesale prices) everything as long as we can charge a commission, otherwise do as Berlin tells us to".

This was followed by well observable hypocrisy of L&J in case of elections - when they needed to win presidential election earlier this year, it was "perfectly safe, virus is in retreat". Once they won, "more restrictions since we need to stop the epidemic".

Of course there were other issues, just to name a few:

Well liked journalists got kicked out of public radio sender, a popular song was "censored out" of a hit list over high crime of being critical / highlighting hypocrisy and double standards of L&J leaders, and so on.

Remote education turned out to be a total failure.

Medical system likewise is throat-deep in shit.

With a side of blowing a mountain of cash on preparing for holding elections by remote voting, nothing was done, money was wasted by one of their cronies.

Nepotism is the norm, and all state owned companies and public institutions are being taken over by family members of ruling party (though that's kind of standard procedure, everybody does that).

All in all, social discontent was rising slowly but surely, abortion issue seems to be proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

So when you look at the protests, it's not just "in favour of abortion", it's also "against the government" with abortion being a small (or not so small) part of greater whole.

And all above is just scratching the surface, one could write a Magisterium Thesis on all the complicated, multi-layered factors at play here.
 
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Wroclaw is a nice city, hope you liked it there. :)
It was a very nice city, quite liked it, it was my first time seeing a large city not suffering from traffic congestion 24/24, I appreciated the change of pace.
Took me a bit of time to figure out the tram since I couldn’t find a map in english(or French), but everything worked out ok in the end.
A very colorful history to it too.
 
It was a very nice city, quite liked it, it was my first time seeing a large city not suffering from traffic congestion 24/24, I appreciated the change of pace.
Took me a bit of time to figure out the tram since I couldn’t find a map in english(or French), but everything worked out ok in the end.
A very colorful history to it too.

Well I'm glad you liked it, for trams and municipal communication there are Android apps with schedules, maps and everything. "Jak dojadę" is best among them I think.

In Wroclaw I love all those pubs and restaurants, especially around city centre / market square.

Be glad you weren't in Warsaw though, traffic is terrible there.
 
Well I'm glad you liked it, for trams and municipal communication there are Android apps with schedules, maps and everything. "Jak dojadę" is best among them I think.

In Wroclaw I love all those pubs and restaurants, especially around city centre / market square.

Be glad you weren't in Warsaw though, traffic is terrible there.
Sorry, I am a filthy apple user.:sneaky:
I eventually just found a map and matched up number, it worked.
Not much of a Pub person myself(I don’t drink), the food was nice though.
The Churches and the old university building were amazing too :oops:
The « new » university building, not so much, but I guess that’s modern age for you...
 
I believe that this puts the "Based Poland" to bed then.

Oh noes! A change to the abortion law served as a flashpoint for pretty much everyone discontented with the current Polish government! Clearly this is proof we must abandon all modern civilisation and return to monkeh!

There is a reason accelerationists exist on the far right side.

I.E. "sit back, let the left take over everything and destroy the country, so we can become lords of the rubble and then implement leftism+an ethnostate"?

Real geniuses there.

I have said it before, feminism is what opens you up to the rest of leftism.

Which goes to show that you have no understanding of the history of leftist ideology. An actual look at the ideological development shows that Marx's neo-Hegelian interpretation of history-as-class-warfare was imposed onto the relationship between men and women in the mid-20th century, given impetus by the recent invention of new labour-saving devices which made middle-class women a lot more bored around the house.

I mean, feminism in its modern sense did not exist at the time of Marx, so it's inane to argue that "feminism opens you up to the rest of leftism" (not to mention that when the female vote was first introduced, women voters tended to swing conservative).

Attempting to advance communism under the guise of women's rights (which existed prior to the communist takeover of it) is the same as attempting to advance communism under the guise of race issues or "saving the planet" - nothing more than a smokescreen for advancing communism. Focusing on the smokescreen is what the commie wants you to do.
 
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Oh noes! A change to the abortion law served as a flashpoint for pretty much everyone discontented with the current Polish government! Clearly this is proof we must abandon all modern civilisation and return to monkeh!
What? My post was me saying that those who keep saying that those who keep shilling that Poland is a based country in a sea of leftism are likely full of shit.

I.E. "sit back, let the left take over everything and destroy the country, so we can become lords of the rubble and then implement leftism+an ethnostate"?

Real geniuses there.
Their position is that leftism cannot be beaten as it gives people what they demand and also that its not sustainable.

You see that freaking leftists when talked about "The Great Reset" go yay, Free healthcare*. Thats all they care about. Corporations putting machines in us and listening to our thoughts or corporations saying you will own nothing and you will be happy means nothing to them. As long as they get their free healthcare and student loan debts for basket weaving be cleared.

* = whats funny with the free healthcare position is that feminism pushes for fat is beautiful which means more people suffering and needing healthcare.

Which goes to show that you have no understanding of the history of leftist ideology. An actual look at the ideological development shows that Marx's neo-Hegelian interpretation of history-as-class-warfare was imposed onto the relationship between men and women in the mid-20th century, given impetus by the recent invention of new labour-saving devices which made middle-class women a lot more bored around the house.

I mean, feminism in its modern sense did not exist at the time of Marx, so it's inane to argue that "feminism opens you up to the rest of leftism" (not to mention that when the female vote was first introduced, women voters tended to swing conservative).

Attempting to advance communism under the guise of women's rights (which existed prior to the communist takeover of it) is the same as attempting to advance communism under the guise of race issues or "saving the planet" - nothing more than a smokescreen for advancing communism. Focusing on the smokescreen is what the commie wants you to do.

You say this:

An actual look at the ideological development shows that Marx's neo-Hegelian interpretation of history-as-class-warfare was imposed onto the relationship between men and women in the mid-20th century, given impetus by the recent invention of new labour-saving devices which made middle-class women a lot more bored around the house.

And yet then say that I'm wrong. Leftism abhors men. Leftism and feminism are linked. They use the same arguments. They advocate for the same things. Leftism abhors children just the same as Feminism does.

They are all the same to me in the end.

Hell, I would say that Liberalism is also Leftism just not as far on the leftism scale. Current Leftists are very far to the left on the Leftism scale if you will.
 
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I'm not saying this as some neo-reactionary or ethno-nationalist. Its me and my thoughts about leftism, feminism and liberalism.
 

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