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Mastriano is a decent guy from what I've seen.

He should have that plane checked for sabotage too.

Shadow Air Force One.

It being increasingly the case that there's a Shadow Presidency, not as a loyal opposition thing but as basically more akin to a pretender to the throne is a potentially pretty interesting development in American politics. We'll see if it sticks around post Trump-Biden.

LindyAF said:

Shadow Air Force One.

It being increasingly the case that there's a Shadow Presidency, not as a loyal opposition thing but as basically more akin to a pretender to the throne is a potentially pretty interesting development in American politics. We'll see if it sticks around post Trump-Biden.

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Who do you think is running Biden? We know he's just a puppet. My money is on Obama. Possibly Kamala. Or Obama through Kamala.

There's also the idea that the people REALLY running things keep a low profile and we've probably never even heard of them.

Rocinante said:

Who do you think is running Biden? We know he's just a puppet. My money is on Obama. Possibly Kamala. Or Obama through Kamala.

There's also the idea that the people REALLY running things keep a low profile and we've probably never even heard of them.

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I don't think things need to be necessarily that hidden. I doubt there's one specific known or unknown guy covertly running him.

Rather, Biden employs a great number of people in a variety of roles and interacts with (or his executive branch interacts with) who set or influence policy in one or more areas. These people aren't secret but range from middling-high profile (VP, Cabinet Secretaries, Department Heads, White House Chief of Staff, etc.) to low profile (White House staff in general, Speechwriters, Lobbyists, Interns, etc.) To some extent, all presidencies work like this. No president has been without advisors.

Biden is merely at the extreme end of having his policy set by others, likely I think to the extent that he has few if any policies which he is the driving force behind. Firstly, because of his age and declining mental state. Secondly, because he's old enough that his first reaction to some issues is likely out of step with the current democratic party, and to some extent I suspect he knows this and defers to avoid making political missteps, because he cares more about good politics than good policy.

LindyAF said:

I don't think things need to be necessarily that hidden. I doubt there's one specific known or unknown guy covertly running him.

Rather, Biden employs a great number of people in a variety of roles and interacts with (or his executive branch interacts with) who set or influence policy in one or more areas. These people aren't secret but range from middling-high profile (VP, Cabinet Secretaries, Department Heads, White House Chief of Staff, etc.) to low profile (White House staff in general, Speechwriters, Lobbyists, Interns, etc.) To some extent, all presidencies work like this. No president has been without advisors.

Biden is merely at the extreme end of having his policy set by others, likely I think to the extent that he has few if any policies which he is the driving force behind. Firstly, because of his age and declining mental state. Secondly, because he's old enough that his first reaction to some issues is likely out of step with the current democratic party, and to some extent I suspect he knows this and defers to avoid making political missteps, because he cares more about good politics than good policy.

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Yeah I second this. Biden has only a few concerns (keeping the Democrats in power, paying off the unions for their backing, etc) that he just is content to let things go otherwise.

As far as the whole "shadow presidency" goes I think that only really started with Obama, and even then only because Trump won. If it had been Clinton, he'd probably have kept in the background and done what other presidents do once they've retired. Trump, by virtue of being completely unpalatable to the national media, meant they preferred to focus on Obama instead since they like him, and Obama was fine with it because he despises Trump.

Likewise, Trump came within a whisker of winning the election* and given that he's still eligible to run in 2024, has every reason to continue operating in the background. If he'd been ineligible, nobody except the press would care (and them only because it would distract from Biden's many screw-ups).

*-There may have been some shenanigans at a very small level but I generally don't buy the "election was stolen" argument, especially when the latest argument is over whether a bunch of ballots in Arizona had bamboo fibers in them indicating they were made in China or whatever. Note that this sort of nonsense drowns out any legitimate gripes and at this point there's really nothing to do except focus ahead on 2022 and 2024. Especially since it's becoming increasingly clear that Biden is in over his head and the progressive wing is clearly demonstrating to swing voters that they are in fact as batshit insane as Trump warned.

“Trump has been telling...”



Yet he hasn’t posted about this on his “from the desk of trump” website has he? Why no “BIG ANNOUNCEMENT”?

In all seriousness...how do we know these people are really q supporters and not paid trolls? That woman at 0:15 sounds like she’s repeating talking points from a script. Have you ever seen a qtard in real life? I only spotted two Q bumper stickers despite spending a decent time in a few places, plus two weirdos selling q gear at a gun show. Not all of the supposed 15% of people in surveys who believe in satanic pedos are q followers (a good number probably say so to troll pollsters). We know bots used to inflate follower counts on social media exist too. Libs who tell stories about family members falling down the rabbit hole have no reason not to maliciously inflate affiliations of “crazy relatives” for sympathy. Even on January 6th it could be argued that some of the people in Q gear were agents provocateurs.
Basically some people call themselves “flat earth believer denialists” and I’m close to labelling myself a “Qanon believer denialist” just to piss off libs.

Clanner Moment said:

Yet he hasn’t posted about this on his “from the desk of trump” website has he? Why no “BIG ANNOUNCEMENT”?

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Because the Demorats are desperately trying to get something, anything to stick so that he may not be viable as a candidate again. If they can't use law, then they will just destroy his credibility. They refuse to get that their actions just prove his claims.

Clanner Moment said:

“Trump has been telling...”



Yet he hasn’t posted about this on his “from the desk of trump” website has he? Why no “BIG ANNOUNCEMENT”?

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“Because if he was going to pull off a coup he wouldn’t be advertising it to the world” would be the NYT’s response.

Meanwhile, back here in this place called “reality” it’s because the NYT is trying to generate more clicks for its stories and whatnot. Well, that and the ongoing case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

The only mention I heard of anything *approaching* this was Michael Flynn suggesting it would be “good” if such a thing happened here (note: obviously it wouldn’t...) but I also think Trump is at least smart enough to recognize an obvious losing proposition if nothing else. Not to mention that he is likely more interested in winning legitimately in 2024, to shove it in the left’s faces that Biden and the Democrats fucked up so badly America would actually prefer four more years of Trump)*

*-Whether that is the case or not obviously remains to be seen, especially since we are still only in 2021 and we have the midterms to go through at a minimum. But again, that’s kind of off topic from the NYT piece.

Airedale260 said:

“Because if he was going to pull off a coup he wouldn’t be advertising it to the world” would be the NYT’s response.

Meanwhile, back here in this place called “reality” it’s because the NYT is trying to generate more clicks for its stories and whatnot. Well, that and the ongoing case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

The only mention I heard of anything *approaching* this was Michael Flynn suggesting it would be “good” if such a thing happened here (note: obviously it wouldn’t...) but I also think Trump is at least smart enough to recognize an obvious losing proposition if nothing else. Not to mention that he is likely more interested in winning legitimately in 2024, to shove it in the left’s faces that Biden and the Democrats fucked up so badly America would actually prefer four more years of Trump)*

*-Whether that is the case or not obviously remains to be seen, especially since we are still only in 2021 and we have the midterms to go through at a minimum. But again, that’s kind of off topic from the NYT piece.

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He will be and has always been better for America then Biden. There is nothing Biden has done that was better then Trump

Zachowon said:

He will be and has always been better for America then Biden. There is nothing Biden has done that was better then Trump

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Biden is a much more accomplished liar.

So as an update to this, apparently I was wrong and there is something to this, according to a National Review article:


Long story short, it seems like Trump is still talking about the possibility of him being “reinstated” according to some of his advisors, but it seems as though it’s not necessarily serious talk, just idle musing (which, as this is Trump, is entirely possible).

While there’s no harm per se in him believing he really won (Hillary Clinton continues to believe she really won in 2016, for example), the problem is that, by continuing to obsess over this, he’s not only not concentrating on the issues of the day, but he’s also planning on using it as a litmus test for who to support and who to fuck over come 2022 and 2024. While that may be a boost for his ego, it also means he could be a secret weapon for the Democrats if he decides to continue a split inside the GOP and turn what should be an entirely winnable election in Congress in 2022 into a repeat of 2020, where the Democrats actually manage to eke out small wins when logic says they shouldn’t. To say nothing of 2024 where, if he is the nominee, he sinks enough people with him and the Democrats wind up with sufficient majorities to do everything they currently want.

As it is, we are only in 2021, but the fact that he’s still obsessing over this six months later in the hopes of changing the outcome (which isn’t possible for multiple reasons) and then continuing to get mad and fuck over anyone who tries to tell him to focus on the future and try again is not only unhealthy but really unhelpful. At this point most of the country cares more about the future and the issues of the day, and if Trump is going to have any success, he needs to focus on that.

Yeah... Trump can't get reinstated. Regardless of whether or not cheating happened at the popular vote level, the popular vote doesn't actually do anything to choose the President, the Electoral College does and the Electoral College placed their votes and it's done with. The popular vote is merely there to tell the Electoral College what the people want them to choose, and in most states, they are perfectly legal to vote otherwise if they feel like it.

There's a lot of irony there given how much the liberal establishment raged against the Electoral College but now that it's protecting Biden I've noticed there isn't nearly so much "Popular Vote Pact" or "Abolish the Electoral College" going on.

Trump can't be "reinstated" because there's no legal mechanism in place to actually do any such thing. Legally speaking, the votes of the states were certified, Biden was acknowledged and sworn in as the winner, and took office. There's no legal process for a party from a prior stage to back out and undo the whole thing, there's no take backs in the presidency.

Eh not entieraly true. A military coup would be the only way.
I do not condone it, just saying

Zachowon said:

Eh not entieraly true. A military coup would be the only way.
I do not condone it, just saying

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Legal mechanism. emphasis on legal.

Battlegrinder said:

Legal mechanism. emphasis on legal.

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I mean, technically it is legal

Zachowon said:

I mean, technically it is legal

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No it's not. A military coup is by definition an illegal seizure of power.

Battlegrinder said:

No it's not. A military coup is by definition an illegal seizure of power.

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Is it illegal if the way the person in power got is also illegal? Dont two wrongs make a right?

Zachowon said:

Is it illegal if the way the person in power got is also illegal? Dont two wrongs make a right?

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You're confusing legality with legitimacy. It's always illegal, not always wrong.