Maybe he develops a stronger bond with Mary Cheney, with her convincing him to forego this as a national-level policy agenda and instead leave this question to the states in the name of states' rights?
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Maybe he develops a stronger bond with Mary Cheney, with her convincing him to forego this as a national-level policy agenda and instead leave this question to the states in the name of states' rights?
Zyobot
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Possibly.
Actually, I was also wondering about having him (implicitly) back it by framing it as a states' rights issue and attacking the Clinton administration for overreach with the Defense of Marriage Act. The GOP base may murmur about it whenever he's pressed on the issue, of course, but considering that he also campaigned on an end to foreign entanglements, what's one more contra-party stance that's at the bottom of the list for most 2000 voters?
Yeah, I think that many GOP voters switched on foreign entanglements after 9/11 along with Bush. And Yeah, Bush could say that US states should be able to adopt even policies that are unpopular so long as they are not too unreasonable. So, he could say that if Massachusetts wants to redefine the definition of marriage, then let them just so long as they don't bother anyone else with it!
Zyobot
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In that case, I get the impression Bush would be more of a closet gay-marriage sympathizer who gradually "nudges" public and political opinion whenever he can, rather than loudly break with his party's social conservatism and sacrifice his chances of winning?
I think that it would be easier for Bush to do this after the 2004 election when he no longer has to worry about his political career. He can declare that he had an epiphany and a coming-to-Jesus moment in regards to this.
@Zyobot 'AHC: Have France and Germany become BFFs in the years and decades after 1871'
Also, can you please take a look at this thread of mine? :
Also, can you please take a look at this thread of mine? :
Zyobot
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You mean my thread?
A much better world overall due to much less historical homophobia, misogyny, religious intolerance, religious puritanism, et cetera.
Zyobot
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Very well; then forget I asked. I don't want to force discussions about anything here.
Anyway, back to one of my earlier posts here:
Zyobot
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What about this? :
'AHC: Legalized same-sex marriage in the West several decades earlier or more than in real life'
I don't think that the Russian Empire was actually big on genociding Central Asian Muslims, with the exception of the 1916 Urkun:
Central Asian revolt of 1916 - Wikipedia
de.wikibrief.org
Worth noting that European countries generally don't have birthright citizenship like the US and Canada have. Still, when it comes to Indians, Europeans have a rather mixed attitude. On the one hand, many of them rather strongly dislike the Roma (of Indian descent), but at the same time, I don't think that the Indian middle- and upper-classes who move to places such as Britain in huge numbers actually generate very much resentment over there. The Indians in Britain certainly don't have any scandals like some of the Pakistanis in Britain have:
Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Well on the last point, although IIRC they were largely from the Parsis minority in India the 1st non-white MPs in the British Parliament were from India in the late 19thC. Also as one hang-over from the Raj a lot of the Indian upper classes especially are English speaking which would make it easier for them to be accepted in Britain and possibly to a lesser degree elsewhere in western Europe as they would be fluent in a language that a lot of other Europeans speak.
Moving tens of millions of people, especially if in the aftermath of a major conflict or an ecological collapse would be a huge operation however and you could see more dying that making it to the end of the voyage.
Well on the last point, although IIRC they were largely from the Parsis minority in India the 1st non-white MPs in the British Parliament were from India in the late 19thC. Also as one hang-over from the Raj a lot of the Indian upper classes especially are English speaking which would make it easier for them to be accepted in Britain and possibly to a lesser degree elsewhere in western Europe as they would be fluent in a language that a lot of other Europeans speak.
Moving tens of millions of people, especially if in the aftermath of a major conflict or an ecological collapse would be a huge operation however and you could see more dying that making it to the end of the voyage.
I suspect that Europeans prefer educated Indians to uneducated Indians, similar to how they prefer educated Afghans over uneducated Afghans:
Afghan Refugees Face Two-Tier System in Europe (Published 2022)
Educated elites evacuated to Europe after the Taliban’s return are welcomed, but they struggle with their lives in exile, even as their poorer compatriots are shunned.
The Indian immigrants in Europe right now are actually fairly split between well-educated ones and poorly-educated ones:
But even uneducated Indian immigrants have an advantage over uneducated Muslim immigrants because the risk of terrorism with them is presumably astronomically less. Indian immigrants in the West don't murder Westerners for, say, eating beef like some radical Muslim immigrants in the West do for, say, drawing and/or showing Muhammad cartoons.
He wouldn't be making sexist jokes like his claim that his US Senate opponent in 1950 is pink right down to her underpants!
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
He wouldn't be making sexist jokes like his claim that his US Senate opponent in 1950 is pink right down to her underpants!
We’re talking about the Democratic Party as it was seventy-one years ago, though, so I doubt he’d be crucified for that then. (Nowhere near like nowadays, at least.)
True, but hasn't feminism been a big thing among Democrats since at least the 1960s, if not even earlier than that?
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
I’m typing this on my phone in bed, so whatever I’ve read before, I’m too tired to recall now.
Besides, just because a certain party pushes for certain causes or takes a stance on a particular issue, doesn’t mean individual members can’t have “contrarian” remarks or behaviors behind closed doors. LBJ may have rammed Civil Rights legislation through, but that didn’t stop him from calling it the N-word bill and using the term regularly. The Fifties and Sixties were a different time, of course, but the same applies to Nixon, given that he was active at the same time LBJ was.
That would depend on just how strong the pressure and urge to subsequently "cancel" them for this is, I suppose. Kyrsten Sinema might be politically punished for her opposition to abolishing the filibuster, for instance.