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War is Peace
Also its funny how the west is all gung ho about those protests but the truckers in Canada were "nazi's"
The Georgians weren't pushovers? Fought hard? They essentially abandoned their tanks and ran without a fight as I recall.
Ukraine is not broken yet, and so far seems to be capable of bloodying the Russian's nose just fine.
ISIS still exists and have attacked Syrian forces literally this month. If that's what you consider a victory, then the US absolutely DESTROYED the Taliban, since it broke their grip over the country much faster and with much less reliance on proxy forces (the Syrians, Hezbollah, Kurds), and no other superpower shouldering part of the burden (the US).
If the Russians ever intended to leave (higher ability to say "fuck you" to theor own population's wishes, being a dictatorship and all) we would've seen how long it would've taken ISIS to take vast swathes of Syria again. My guess is: not long.
Not even going to talk about Saddam's Iraq, which the US absolutely flattened.
If you're going to compare an invasion to an occupation, then you're a propagandist and we have nothing to talk about. Either compare an invasion to an invasion, an occupation to an occupation, or GTFO.
Whatever you say mr. armchair general.
Protests are happening all over Russia.Anybody got a good summary of why Putin is doing this?
What is he gaining domestically?
If this not the right thread - should I ask about the political side of the conflict in the "Politics" forum?
They wontWe have yet to see the proof of that.
Of course, the Russians also have to win the occupation as well.
The US has not lost militarily, only politicallyThat's because they pick their enemies carefully, and because they usually have more freedom of operation far from the eyes of the press, and less say for their own population. None of these advantages means anything in a conventional war with a western country.
They paid off the ChechensYep, absolutely. Let's see just how much of a resistance, either active or semi-passive (think Solidarity in Poland in the 1980s), the Ukrainians will subsequently put up under Russian occupation.
Anyway, it's quite interesting. Russia has been on a roll over the last 25 years:
2000s: Defeated the Chechen separatists
2008: Crushed Georgia
2014: Annexed Crimea and saved the Donbass separatists from total destruction
2016: Got Donald Trump elected US President
2022: Invaded Ukraine and will likely overthrow the existing Ukrainian government
Most probably, but China is the biggest winner here, whatever the west sanctions where exports are concerned they will be happy to buy.Honestly I think Russia will possibly come out on top of all of this long term
Depends on what is done in the aftermath if europe finally pays attention to things and begins rearming, no. If not, then yes.
We had people willing to fight every damn day. We were winning every battle left and right. We hadnt had any major injuries in years in the middle east since Trump until the pullout
Specifically, the U.S. has won battles time and time again but has it won those wars? What were you guys really fighting them for like that over there? If you were to introduce Liberal Democracy you would get screwed over big time. When the Soviets put in their regime, at least they didn't have to turn half the country into rubble to do it. And they were able to hold on for a while realistically!Utterly irrelevant, you did actually lose some battles, and the Taliban are still holding the country and laughing.
A little humility, self-reflection, and with less jingoism please. At the end of the day, we tax payers decide if you even have a job, and if you can't win wars, why should we continue to pay your salaries as oppose to firing you and finding someone who can win a war?
They fought for 12 days and adding up the puppet forces to the Russian Totals, they had a 1 to 1 exchange in losses. The Georgian President threw in the towel before its military did.
It has already effectively lost. They can sting, but the Russians are not allowing them time to organize defenses and accepting losses to quickly pocket the Ukrainian Army.
I didn't say they were defeated, only they have stood up well, lasting longer than the Chechs did in the battle phase before the insurgency phase started. As it is ISIS lacks the means to take territorial control in the Levant at the moment and its main fronts are in Africa, largely forgotten in all the other conflicts brewing there.
The Syrian Arab Republic Military is a far different beast now. Years of combat, Darwinism, good habits rubbed into them by Hezbollah and Iranian training and a complete re-equipping by Russia has resulted in a far better Army. Assad burnt his country down to do so, but ISIS doesn't have the networks of civilian collaborators to operate with like it used to.
So? Iran won, puppetized Iraq under the US's nose, and brazenly looted US equipment supplied to the Iraqi Military in broad daylight.
You are playing semantics. They are one and the same. A war only ends when the enemy is pacified and stops resisting.
I look at actual results. The US lost Iraq and Afghanistan. Mayhap we need to reassess the US Military's actual ability to win wars in an honest way don't you think?
Husky Karen.Here's your new thread. It too gets a special Title named after a special someone.
Husky Karen's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, Shotguns, and much much more)
DonBass literally means the Basin l/Pool of the Don river, dude.As to the details,well, you did start them quite often.I feel attacked...
I'm going to assume that I'm not considered a Donb Ass though. That must be everyone else who engaged in derails. I don't think my fragile ego can take anymore if that isn't the case though.
I don't want to get into this too deeply because we're starting to derail the thread as it is, but I have to say your takes are delusional, and stop at that.
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Yeah, no. Completely different beasts. By this criteria Russia has not won a war in it's entire history, arguably the Soviet Union either (bar WWII).
Now who is playing semantics? Define "loss" and define "victory". Maybe you need to stop with the mental acrobatics that allow you to define the results of any wars Russia prticipates in as "victory", and any war the US participates in as "defeat", even when the actual, factual results are either the same or in reality are flipped on their head. Don't you think?
DonBass literally means the Basin l/Pool of the Don river, dude.As to the details,well, you did start them quite often.
TBH the discussion of Realpolitik and US foreign(Monroe doctrine, permanent, bloated security state, US intervenrionalism and the reasons behind it) policy merits a thread of its own.
Husky Karen's DonBass did it again.I know that... but look at how she titled the Thread.... DonbAss. That's an awfully convenient typo.
I know that... but look at how she titled the Thread.... DonbAss. That's an awfully convenient typo.
Palestinians Making it All About Themselves
"Sigh"
Again, who is the one that won?
Is there even a religious difference? Both are Eastern Orthodox Christians mostly.Russia = Israel, Donbass + Crimea = Israeli settlers, Ukraine = Palestinians. Good analogy. I thought of it yesterday. With the notable exception that the religion difference is much, much less pronounced in Russia vs. Ukraine than in Israel vs. Palestine.
Is there even a religious difference? Both are Eastern Orthodox Christians mostly.