Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Arlos]

Russian doctrine has definitely evolved but it still seems inferior to that of the US when it comes to a conventional war.

Hard to say, US hasn’t exactly fought a conventional war against someone able to put a fight in a lonnnnng time, doctrinal loss/change can be subtle and involuntary at time.

 

[Tiamat]

How did this go from war in Ukraine to talk of traps? Damn degenerates.

Join the US military and you’ll see how a typical conversation amongst enlisted easily goes south like this. Speaking from experience.

 

[Chiron]

Russian doctrine has definitely evolved but it still seems inferior to that of the US when it comes to a conventional war.

They win their wars. Your argument is invalid.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

They win their wars. Your argument is invalid.

We have yet to see the proof of that.

Of course, the Russians also have to win the occupation as well.

 

[GoldRanger]

They win their wars. Your argument is invalid.

That's because they pick their enemies carefully, and because they usually have more freedom of operation far from the eyes of the press, and less say for their own population. None of these advantages means anything in a conventional war with a western country.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Hard to say, US hasn’t exactly fought a conventional war against someone able to put a fight in a lonnnnng time, doctrinal loss/change can be subtle and involuntary at time.

I know I read a declassified document written by Soviet military planners after desert storm where they freaked out and concluded that they would be utterly incapable of halting a US armor advance barring the use of tactical nuclear weapons.

 

[WolfBear]

I know I read a declassified document written by Soviet military planners after desert storm where they freaked out and concluded that they would be utterly incapable of halting a US armor advance barring the use of tactical nuclear weapons.

In Russian?

 

[Carrot of Truth]

doctrine wise the biggest difference I see between the US and Russia is that the US will commence with a month long strategic bombing campaign before they launch ground offensives.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

I regret not buying a Saiga 12 back in the day probably won't get the chance to buy one for a sane price in my lifetime after this.

 

[Floridaman]

I regret not buying a Saiga 12 back in the day probably won't get the chance to buy one for a sane price in my lifetime after this.

Avoid the Chinese knock off.Brandon hrrera showed the problems With it. Although I think the US based Kalashnikov USA has one out.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Avoid the Chinese knock off.Brandon hrrera showed the problems With it. Although I think the US based Kalashnikov USA has one out.

I have a KS-12 imo its inferior to the Saiga-12 because it has serious recoil

 

[Floridaman]

That's because they pick their enemies carefully, and because they usually have more freedom of operation far from the eyes of the press, and less say for their own population. None of these advantages means anything in a conventional war with a western country.

Picking your enemies carefully is pretty much the most important part of strategy.

 

[GoldRanger]

Picking your enemies carefully is pretty much the most important part of strategy.

Right up until one day you're the one who gets picked. Granted, at Russia's weight class that's less of a concern, but it still exists.

 

[Floridaman]

Right up until one day you're the one who gets picked. Granted, at Russia's weight class that's less of a concern, but it still exists.

If you have enough nukes to end all life on the planet several times over, picking a fight with you is never the correct idea.

 

[Agent23]

Why are we talking about some degenerate moron on a war thread?

Unless he got his head blown off or something?

Why are we talking about some degenerate moron on a war thread?

Unless he got his head blown off or something?

Also it’s not incest I’d totally fuck a female clone of myself.

Cause all that aggression means U R secretly gae.

Embrace the gae.

 

[DarthOne]

Cause all that aggression means U R secretly gae.

Embrace the gae.

I suppose you could call contempt ‘aggression’...still doesn’t change that you’re wrong about everything else though.

 

[GoldRanger]

If you have enough nukes to end all life on the planet several times over, picking a fight with you is never the correct idea.

No, not never, there are certainly many cases when that's EXACTLY the correct idea, as the Israelis proved in 1970 and as the Americans proved in 2018. It's all about context and type of the fight you're picking with them.

 

[Floridaman]

No, not never, there are certainly many cases when that's EXACTLY the correct idea, as the Israelis proved in 1970 and as the Americans proved in 2018. It's all about context and type of the fight you're picking with them.

There is a difference between a game of chicken like we did back in 2018, and going to war with them. and I don’t recall Israel ever fighting a major nuclear power beyond a minor skirmish with soviet advisors in the Egyptian Air Force We will try to screw them diplomatically and with other means, they do the same, but neither of the big boys will attack each other we are in the great game.

 

[Agent23]

Is Bush Jr. number 3 in the most hated US presidents of the last century list now that Brandon's Corpse fucked everything up?

What was the saying, people in glass houses should not throw stones?

 

[Floridaman]

Yep, absolutely. Let's see just how much of a resistance, either active or semi-passive (think Solidarity in Poland in the 1980s), the Ukrainians will subsequently put up under Russian occupation.

Anyway, it's quite interesting. Russia has been on a roll over the last 25 years:

2000s: Defeated the Chechen separatists
2008: Crushed Georgia
2014: Annexed Crimea and saved the Donbass separatists from total destruction
2016: Got Donald Trump elected US President
2022: Invaded Ukraine and will likely overthrow the existing Ukrainian government

Beyond cnn saying so 2016 wasn’t a win for Russia, they got an unpredictable man who crippled their budget for a few years with sanctions.... during a time of falling oil prices.