Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

ATP · Apr 28, 2022

Abhorsen said:
Please stop with you constant racism. Or at least if you need to continue posting it, at least use a spell check like grammerly.

It is not problem of race,but cyvilisation.If russians were 100% mongols but behave,there would be no problem.
racism is stupidity,civilisation is what matter.

Unfortunatelly,kgb still act as horde - and,it is not problem of morality,but efficiency.Becouse acting as horde gave victory in ancient or medieval times,but not now.
kgbstan could rape and steal waschmachines,but it would not gave them victory.

P.S about grammar - if gender could be changed according to will,so could be grammar.
And yes,for orthodox jews goim means cattle.And,i have nothing against it.If somebody consider my nation cattle,good tor them - as long as they do not eat us.

strunkenwhite · Apr 28, 2022

Agent23 said:
UN report: 81% of Ukraine shelling victims are innocent civilians of Donbass - and victims of Kiev aggression -- Sott.net

Anyway, CRP is back, with a vengeance:

Originally, I wasn't going to respond to this, but the final map in that thread has been eating away at my brain:

It's utter madness, albeit madness we've seen argued before in this thread. Flags everywhere. Not only national flags but also little flags on top of the national flags to show associated (patron) nations: mainly US, EU, and in the case of Ukraine literally Nazi fucking Germany. And I don't know if all those flags in the southeast are supposed to be Russian puppets or flags of provinces and I dare not gaze too long into the abyss.

Moving on. We are supposed to believe that Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania will all take bites out of rump Ukraine. (But not Belarus, apparently.) Romania's bites are especially hilarious. Russia takes Transnistria from Moldova, of course, but also takes some land in Moldova's south for some reason? Like what?

I can't take this map seriously. And the post it lies within is hardly better. "Russia will pour billions into their newly acquired territory. It will prosper and flourish." When was the last time a conquered Russian client state "prosper and flourish"ed? Let alone one that's gonna need a huge rebuilding to do so?

planefag · Apr 28, 2022

Abhorsen said:
Please stop with you constant racism. Or at least if you need to continue posting it, at least use a spell check like grammerly.

The genocide apologist will now lecture us on racism.

Abhorsen · Apr 28, 2022

planefag said:
The genocide apologist will now lecture us on racism.

Um, when did I defend genocide? I'm very confident I haven't. I've been pretty consistent saying that the Russians did Bucha, for example. If I did, please tell me, I likely made a typo.

paulobrito · Apr 28, 2022

TheRejectionist said:
@Husky_Khan On a purely military perspective... I am wondering...despite the media here is saying the Ukranians are winning, how the fuck they still need that much equipment?

You still believe in the western media? I have that proverbial bridge in that well know desert place to sell you.

PsihoKekec · Apr 28, 2022

Husky_Khan said:
United States planning on passing a Ukranian "Lend Lease Act" through Congress soon.

That's diabolical. Ukraine is fighting American war and USA uses the opportunity to push them deeper in debt instead of just giving them supplies they need.

sillygoose · Apr 28, 2022

Butch R. Mann said:
That's diabolical. Ukraine is fighting American war and USA uses the opportunity to push them deeper in debt instead of just giving them supplies they need.

Literally how the US has always operated via the IMF. See what they did to Argentina.

Husky_Khan · Apr 28, 2022

Abhorsen said:
Um, when did I defend genocide? I'm very confident I haven't. I've been pretty consistent saying that the Russians did Bucha, for example. If I did, please tell me, I likely made a typo.

Abhorsen. Agent23. Tomato. Tamato.

ATP said:
Thanks God,you are still alive! remember - never meet fsb alone.You could be another suicide victim of putin.

PSA to everyone! If your skimming over ATPs posts your doing yourself a disservice.

Zachowon · Apr 28, 2022

Butch R. Mann said:
That's diabolical. Ukraine is fighting American war and USA uses the opportunity to push them deeper in debt instead of just giving them supplies they need.

So push US further into debt?

Zachowon · Apr 28, 2022

planefag said:
The genocide apologist will now lecture us on racism.

You are drunk.
Abhorsen is not 23.
One is American one is Bulgarian.

PsihoKekec · Apr 28, 2022

Zachowon said:
So push US further into debt?

It's only fair, since USA pushed the Ukrainians into doing the dying part.

Zachowon · Apr 28, 2022

Butch R. Mann said:
It's only fair, since USA pushed the Ukrainians into doing the dying part.

I mean we didn't.
They are defending themselves and have been fighting for 8 years.
We didn't do anything

Zachowon · Apr 28, 2022

Aldarion said:
I'm not so certain West is completely blameless. Anyway, a bit of what I found on the causes of war in Ukraine:

Do 2022 roku Rosja wywoła wojnę w Europie lub na Bliskim Wschodzie - Krzysztof Wojczal blog geopolityczny

Książka pisana przez 2 lata. Zaczyna się sprawdzać! Ostatnie egzemplarze: TRZECIA DEKADA. Świat dziś i za 10 lat Po tak mocnym tytule, kilka faktów.

www-krzysztofwojczal-pl.translate.goog

Causes of War in Ukraine

So why did Russia attack Ukraine? Putin’s speech, available on the link below, provides some clues: Russia Ukraine: Vladimir Putin’s full speech (smh.com.au) From the opening paragraph, it is…

historyandwarfare.wordpress.com

Putin claims Ukrainians are not really Ukraonains but all Russians.
He doesn't see then as a country.
Never has

Marduk · Apr 28, 2022

Butch R. Mann said:
It's only fair, since USA pushed the Ukrainians into doing the dying part.

>pushed
Excuse Ukrainians for wanting an independent country that is not vassal state of Russia. Such crazy demands, totally the west's fault.

sillygoose · Apr 28, 2022

Marduk said:
>pushed
Excuse Ukrainians for wanting an independent country that is not vassal state of Russia. Such crazy demands, totally the west's fault.

Given that they installed their own puppets in Kiev, yes it is America's fault.

Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call

A transcript of the alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt discussing the crisis in Ukraine.

www.bbc.com

The United States Is Reaping What It Sowed in Ukraine

The U.S. government continues sending weapons to Ukraine, escalating the likelihood of war with Russia.

progressive.org

https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy

How and why the U.S. Government Perpetrated the 2014 Coup in Ukraine

This will document that the ‘new Cold War’ between the U.S. and Russia did not start, as the Western myth has it, with Russia’s involvement in the breakaway of Crimea and Donbass from Ukraine, after Ukraine — next door to Russia — had suddenly turned rabidly hostile toward Russia in February...

moderndiplomacy.eu

The Paet-Ashton Transcript - Fort Russ

Eric Zuesse, 3 Feb. 2015 Here is a complete transcript of the extraordinarily revealing phone conversation, that occurred on 26 February 2014, in which the foreign-affairs chief of the European Union, Catherine Ashton, was informed by her investigator, Urmas Paet, into his findings regarding...

web.archive.org

ATP · Apr 28, 2022

sillygoose said:
Given that they installed their own puppets in Kiev, yes it is America's fault.

Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call

A transcript of the alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt discussing the crisis in Ukraine.

www.bbc.com

The United States Is Reaping What It Sowed in Ukraine

The U.S. government continues sending weapons to Ukraine, escalating the likelihood of war with Russia.

progressive.org

https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy

How and why the U.S. Government Perpetrated the 2014 Coup in Ukraine

This will document that the ‘new Cold War’ between the U.S. and Russia did not start, as the Western myth has it, with Russia’s involvement in the breakaway of Crimea and Donbass from Ukraine, after Ukraine — next door to Russia — had suddenly turned rabidly hostile toward Russia in February...

moderndiplomacy.eu

The Paet-Ashton Transcript - Fort Russ

Eric Zuesse, 3 Feb. 2015 Here is a complete transcript of the extraordinarily revealing phone conversation, that occurred on 26 February 2014, in which the foreign-affairs chief of the European Union, Catherine Ashton, was informed by her investigator, Urmas Paet, into his findings regarding...

web.archive.org

So,Obama in 2014 was anti-kgbstan? i do not think so.He was doing everything kgbstan wonted.

Personally,i think that was german plot which go wrong,becouse Janukowycz run instead of massacring Majdan.If that happen,Putin could go there as liberator and install somebody who woud serve both kgb and germany.

But let assume,that you are right - WHY UKRAINIANS ARE FIGHTING AND WINNING WITH 2th ARMY OF THE WORLD,AND "RUSSIANS" DO NOT WANT FIGHT THERE ?

sillygoose · Apr 28, 2022

ATP said:
So,Obama in 2014 was anti-kgbstan? i do not think so.He was doing everything kgbstan wonted.

Personally,i think that was german plot which go wrong,becouse Janukowycz run instead of massacring Majdan.If that happen,Putin could go there as liberator and install somebody who woud serve both kgb and germany.

Nah, he was trying to work with the Medvedyev to try and get Putin out, not understanding how Russia operated behind the scenes.

Why would you think it is a German plot? This is all about cutting the Nordstream pipelines to keep Germany from getting out of the US's pocket. Same with Syria. Follow the pipelines.

The Crisis in Ukraine is not about Ukraine. It's about Germany

“The primordial interest of the United States, over which for centuries we have fought wars-- the First, the Second and Cold Wars-- has been the relationship between Germany and Russia, because united there, they’re the only force that could threaten us. And to make sure that that doesn’t...

www.unz.com

If Germany started working with Russia and could break away from US control the US system collapses. As it was the Germans were already removing their gold from the US:

Germany Gets Its Gold Back From The Fed And It's A Big Deal

Kitco News talks with some of the most influential gold market analysts, economists, investors and mining CEOS to get their take on the industry and financial markets and the global economy

www.kitco.com

No, the US is broke and desperately trying to shore up the dollar as the global reserve currency because that is the only thing keeping the US economy from cratering. Turns out outsourcing your industrial base is really stupid.

ATP said:
But let assume,that you are right - WHY UKRAINIANS ARE FIGHTING AND WINNING WITH 2th ARMY OF THE WORLD,AND "RUSSIANS" DO NOT WANT FIGHT THERE ?

I'm not sure what your fantasies are, but what you wrote has nothing to do with reality.

Marduk · Apr 28, 2022

sillygoose said:
Given that they installed their own puppets in Kiev, yes it is America's fault.

Of course everything is America's puppet's fault, nothing ever is the fault of the puppets Russia installs, like in DNR and LNR.

Aldarion · Apr 28, 2022

Marduk said:
Of course everything is America's puppet's fault, nothing ever is the fault of the puppets Russia installs, like in DNR and LNR.

The Maidan revolution did follow the usual Western Deep State pattern of revolutions and installation of puppets. So that part of his argument I have no problem with.

Problem I have is, why can't both the West and Russia just leave Ukraine alone?

ATP · Apr 28, 2022

sillygoose said:
Nah, he was trying to work with the Medvedyev to try and get Putin out, not understanding how Russia operated behind the scenes.

Why would you think it is a German plot? This is all about cutting the Nordstream pipelines to keep Germany from getting out of the US's pocket. Same with Syria. Follow the pipelines.

The Crisis in Ukraine is not about Ukraine. It's about Germany

“The primordial interest of the United States, over which for centuries we have fought wars-- the First, the Second and Cold Wars-- has been the relationship between Germany and Russia, because united there, they’re the only force that could threaten us. And to make sure that that doesn’t...

www.unz.com

If Germany started working with Russia and could break away from US control the US system collapses. As it was the Germans were already removing their gold from the US:

Germany Gets Its Gold Back From The Fed And It's A Big Deal

Kitco News talks with some of the most influential gold market analysts, economists, investors and mining CEOS to get their take on the industry and financial markets and the global economy

www.kitco.com

No, the US is broke and desperately trying to shore up the dollar as the global reserve currency because that is the only thing keeping the US economy from cratering. Turns out outsourcing your industrial base is really stupid.

I'm not sure what your fantasies are, but what you wrote has nothing to do with reality.

1.Obama trying anything in kgbstan - really funny.He would shit themselves before trying anything.

2.Why german plot - becouse german idiots try to form alliance with kgbstan to take over Europe again.Using Ribbentrop-molotov pipeline,too.And murder again Poland,of course.

Idiots forget,that they have alliance with german tsars ruling Russia.Those tsars was murdered by soviets,just like Russia.
Now all we have is kgb mafia - which yes,would made deal with germans to murder Poland,but next they would murder germans.
Just like their idol sralin planned.

Fortunatelly,that german plot failed,and now we have Uraine beating kgbstan.

3.kgbstan is 2th army of the world.Ukraine is 22.If "russians" wanted to fight and knew how,Kiev would be taken month ago.
Fact,that kgbstan still achieved practically nothing,is proof tht ukrainians want fight,and "russians" do not.
And,i do not blame themUkrainian are fighting for their homes,when "russians" for...putin ego.

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