Taiwan Straights Tension

Arch Dornan

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Two-faced politician...hmmm... :unsure:
Unfortunately I only watched what someone said so I can't provide the source of the dialogue but judging from the results of the 2020 election can you say China's hopes for Biden have been lackluster that anti CCP policies are still continued?
 

Arch Dornan

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Try these ones?


  • Beijing’s lengthy readout selectively quoted Biden’s comments in the secure videoconference — a violation of diplomatic norms against one side making public what the other leader said. Not surprisingly, Beijing chose to reveal Biden’s reassurances to Xi on key aspects of U.S. policy toward China and Taiwan such as the “One China Policy.” The Chinese report described Xi Jinping’s criticism of the previous U.S. administration and his warning that now “some people” on the U.S. side were damaging bilateral relations by encouraging Taiwanese independence.


President Xi stressed that he and President Biden share the view that China and the US need to respect each other, coexist in peace and avoid confrontation, and that the two sides should increase communication and dialogue at all levels and in all fields. President Biden has just reiterated that the US does not seek to have a new Cold War with China, to change China’s system, or to revitalize alliances against China, and that the US does not support “Taiwan independence” or intend to seek a conflict with China. “I take these remarks very seriously,” said President Xi.

President Xi pointed out that the China-US relationship, instead of getting out of the predicament created by the previous US administration, has encountered a growing number of challenges. What’s worth noting in particular is that some people in the US have sent a wrong signal to “Taiwan independence” forces. This is very dangerous. Mishandling of the Taiwan question will have a disruptive impact on the bilateral ties. China hopes that the US will give due attention to this issue. The direct cause for the current situation in the China-US relationship is that some people on the US side have not followed through on the important common understanding reached by the two Presidents and have not acted on President Biden’s positive statements. The US has misperceived and miscalculated China’s strategic intention.

President Xi underscored that there have been and will continue to be differences between China and the US. What matters is to keep such differences under control. A steadily growing relationship is in the interest of both sides.
 

Zachowon

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In way that basically ensures that most of it is embezzled by the same sorts of people the Bidens were in business with, yeah.


Which I agree with, but I'm aware that a lot of others don't; and to be fair, it's being done in a way that makes America look weak.


And China is a lot more valuable than Taiwan to the people in the United States government who would actually make the decision to get involved or not.




Before the Afghanistan retreat, I would have argued that there was zero chance that American troops would leave behind American civilians in a war zone; not to mention billions of dollars in undamaged military hardware to be seized by our enemies. I've since then learned not to underestimate the depths to which we've fallen.
What is being embezzled? Maybe some money bu all the equipment we send is actually going to Ukraine.
Unless those HIMARS are just a figment of our imagination.
And no, the people the bidens worked with were not the ones in charge currently, and iirc were Oligarchs who are pro russian...

Making is LOOK is better then actually being.
We may have issues but we arnt untrained and untested China.


The president would be forced by congress or his handlers to get invovled if Taiwan was invaded.
Warhawks on both sides would jump at it.

You mean the old junk that breaks down if you look at it wrong that we left?
Undamaged they are not, just not damaged by combat.
Anything that would be of value was destroyed or taken.
Others can be left.

And the Taliban are barley holding on and have nothing that will get them more money for selling to China then vics Chika can buy if they wanted too.

And the military is wanting the fight in Taiwan.
Hell, we are preparing for it.
So we will get invovled, by forc eif those pulling the strings ir the president.
 

LordsFire

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And China is a lot more valuable than Taiwan to the people in the United States government who would actually make the decision to get involved or not.

Before the Afghanistan retreat, I would have argued that there was zero chance that American troops would leave behind American civilians in a war zone; not to mention billions of dollars in undamaged military hardware to be seized by our enemies. I've since then learned not to underestimate the depths to which we've fallen.

I am entirely sympathetic to you on the issue of there being no depth to which the Federal government, especially under Democratic control, will not descend.

However, you have to keep some other things in mind as well.

Particularly that Biden is not the only person in position to make a decision on whether or not the US goes in on helping Taiwan against China. All it takes is a single ship's captain in the area looking at the big mess of Chinese contacts in the air/on the sea moving towards Taiwan, and deciding to send them a message as follows.

"You are violating international law and Taiwanese airspace. Turn your asses around or we're going to enforce it on you."


Even if Biden and his entire administration is utterly corrupt, if a single naval captain decides to do that, much less one of the admirals in 7th fleet, the US Navy will be getting involved, and even if said officer gets court-martialed afterwards, it's going to be functionally impossible to pull back from that.
 

Arch Dornan

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What is being embezzled? Maybe some money bu all the equipment we send is actually going to Ukraine.
Maybe he's talking about elements of the Ukranian armed forces that deny supplies to their men or even sell them to the black market.
 

Zachowon

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Maybe he's talking about elements of the Ukranian armed forces that deny supplies to their men or even sell them to the black market.
Which has never actually been proved and is just a way to try and stop aid from the west.
 

Sailor.X

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I think the Chinese leadership is trying to convince themselves that the US won't interfere when the CCP invades Taiwan. Biden is helping them achieve this deception. There is pretty much a zero chance that the US does not aggressively defend Taiwan. The warhawks on both sides of the aisle WILL make sure it happens.

What worries me is that Biden is doing so much damage to the US' reputation abroad that I'm pretty sure Xi sees it as you do @Terthna. Which means the CCP has a false expectation of things. Which is how many wars start. Which is why I think this one will start sooner rather than later.
Another problem is the CCP may have ships, planes and troops. But they don't have the doctrine. We see from their misadventure in Vietnam and the most recent dust up with India. That the CCP Military does not know what it is doing in combat. That does not lend itself to a proper invasion of Taiwan. Let alone actually holding the island.
 

UberIguana

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Assuming it's not just dickwaving, I guess they figure if they're going to do it, now's the time. The rest of the world is focused on Ukraine and has fewer resources to send to Taiwan (not all that true, land war versus naval plus amphib. assault, etc, but politicians will politician).

That and the global economic shitshow means it'll be harder for the west to put the screws to them without facing backlash at home.
 

Zachowon

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Appernetly it is the start of an exercise.
Though we have heard that before
 

Sailor.X

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There is gonna be no Nuclear War or Attack on the plane or Taiwan. China knows that doing so would piss of the world. A world that is still mad at them over the Coof. It also does not want a shit ton of countries declaring war on it for threatening THEIR chip supplier.
 

Husky_Khan

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Wow the Tweet is already deleted. I think Evergreen Intel mistook 10:20 AM for PM in Taipei time.

Well here's a new one from France 24 and as per Translate:

France24 said:
FLASH - #Taïwan : Nancy #Pelosi , will arrive at Songshan Airport at 22:30 tonight. She will stay at the Grand Hyatt Hotel in #Taipei for one night, and will meet President Tsai Ing-wen at 8am on 3/08 and leave #Taïwan at 10am that day.



So it's at 10:20 PM Taipei Time... which is just about eleven hours from now. since its 11:08AM in Taipei atm.

So we Yanks have one more night and a Brunch to enjoy before the War Begins.
 

Zachowon

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Wow the Tweet is already deleted. I think Evergreen Intel mistook 10:20 AM for PM in Taipei time.

Well here's a new one from France 24 and as per Translate:





So it's at 10:20 PM Taipei Time... which is just about eleven hours from now. since its 11:08AM in Taipei atm.

So we Yanks have one more night and a Brunch to enjoy before the War Begins.

I will let yall know how things go from the war
 

TheRomanSlayer

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If China doesn’t do anything much, the big fear would be that Xi might face a public embarrassment long enough for him to be couped, and replaced with a stronger war hawk. Either way, China has maneuvered themselves into a difficult situation of their own making.
 

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