US Biolabs In the Ukraine

Bacle · Feb 2, 2023

mrttao said:
facepalm. double facepalm.
I can tell you didn't even click the link

so. TLDR:
project veritas got the director of research of pfizer to admit a bunch of stuff on camera. but having a man take him on a date.
I linked the original video by veritas. it is a must watch.

Tucker on fox news is literally the only MSM that ran the story.
Everyone else has been instead trying to memory hole it.
I linked the tucker report on it due to its notability.

google has blacklisted this.
Youtube has an all hands on deck with their censorship department. having everyone work double time to suppress that video and delete it form the internet.

Dismissing it as "its tucker" is frankly stupid.
because anyone can just watch the original video themselves

And this Wu Flu shit has nothing to do with Ukraine, outside the fools who are trying to push the 'Ukrainian biolabs connection'.

I posted the Veritas Tweet in the actual Wu Flu thread, so don't try to pull this shit with me.

mrttao · Feb 2, 2023

Tiamat said:
Jesus, dude, this conspiracy about the "bioweapon labs" was refuted months ago, go read it yourself. Or don't.

> linking wikipedia

hahahahahahaha. oh god.
wait you are serious?
wikipedia is fully controlled propaganda center full of disinformation and just blatant lies.

Tiamat said:
Here, will these help for starters?

Yes, in that it is an actual attempt at refutation instead of calling people vatnik.

Tiamat · Feb 3, 2023

mrttao said:
> linking wikipedia

hahahahahahaha. oh god.
wait you are serious?
wikipedia is fully controlled propaganda center full of disinformation and just blatant lies.

Yes, in that it is an actual attempt at refutation instead of calling people vatnik.

Hey, I don't believe everything wikipedia says either, but I threw it in anyway for completeness, okay? Saying it's ALL blatant lies though is a bit much.

Look, believe what you want, and you obviously do. And I've already had similar conversations like this with other fellows on Sietch. You're not gonna change my mind, and I'm obviously not gonna change yours.

mrttao · Feb 3, 2023

Bacle said:
And this Wu Flu shit has nothing to do with Ukraine, outside the fools who are trying to push the 'Ukrainian biolabs connection'.

Again

mrttao said:
I wouldn't at all be surprised if the bidens were involved in ukrainian biolabs doing shady shit. as they have been involved in so much other shady shit.
this doesn't mean russia are somehow "the good guys".
this does not mean anyone pointing this out is a "vatnik"
this is not even claiming that ukraine was in any way shape or form linked to covid-19.

I have not seen a single mention in the original post by darthone that "ukraine did covid-19".
Which makes your position a strawman.

what darthone posted is that there are some involvements in bioweapon research in ukraine. and possible blackmail. as well as a coverup

As per the veritas video I posted. Pfizer director of research says that pfizer is doing directed evolution experiments where they develop new variants of covid using monkeys, then develop a vaccine for the new variants they themselves developed. "preemptively".
saying covid is a cash cow and will remain so for many years.

He also believes that covid-19 escaped a wuhan lab doing that very same thing.

pfizer operates biolabs across the world. including china (but not that one specific biolab from which covid-19 escaped. different ones), ukraine, usa, and dozens of others.
pfizer is not the only international phrama company that does so.

And the bidens are involved, as they have their fingers in many pies. They are a corrupt crime family.

mrttao · Feb 3, 2023

Lord Sovereign said:
That the Right has insisted on blasting its foot off over this war when it never needed to is just the most baffling thing of all. Indeed, as supposed champions of a country’s right to sovereignty and self determination

Yea, it is very baffling.

Lord Sovereign said:
we should at least have serious sympathies towards Ukraine's cause. Because, fundamentally, this isn't about "globalists trying to rule the world." It's about a dying empire (Russia) trying to quash a vassal that funnily enough doesn't want to be a vassal anymore.

And God help us when the war is over and the mass graves get dug up. No one will want to touch the Right for decades afterwards, and all because it couldn't control its paranoia and stop knee jerking.

facepalm.
oh, you meant it the other way around.

no, see. you are the right that is blasting its foot off.
I have sympathy for ukraine.
That does not make it our war.

I am not at all pleased by the way I am being robbed to finance their war.
Or the way seemingly sane members of the right have lost their goddamn minds and have started attacking their previous allies over not showing enough support.

Also, I am going to laugh my fucking ass off when Ukraine wins the war and then becomes a local nazi hegemon.

Bacle · Feb 3, 2023

Cherico said:
just because there is a bad war it doesn't mean its your war.

The right will be just fine not wanting to get involved in a conflict expecially since people are exausted from 20 years of war from the War on terror.

Russia saw how we handled pulling out of A-stan, and that is why they felt confident about launch the invasion in February.

The War on Terror may have made people here tired of fighting stupid, wasteful 'nation building' operations.

What is happening in Ukraine is not that, not at all.

The Right, who laud the Founding Fathers for rebelling against the British Empire, wanting to cut aid to Ukraine while they are being actively invaded and genocided by Russian troops bent on recreating the Russian Empire/USSR, due to domestic fuckery, is one of the most embaressing things I've seen the Right do to itself.

That includes Jan 6th, and this time the Right don't even have someone like Ray Epps to blame for egging shit on or acting as an agent provacatuer in the crowd; the contrarian Right got taken for a ride by Putin's propaganda machine, and are too proud (or assmad about being fooled) to admit it.

mrttao said:
Again

I have not seen a single mention in the original post by darthone that "ukraine did covid-19".
Which makes your position a strawman.

what darthone posted is that there are some involvements in bioweapon research in ukraine. and possible blackmail. as well as a coverup

As per the veritas video I posted. Pfizer director of research says that pfizer is doing directed evolution experiments where they develop new variants of covid using monkeys, then develop a vaccine for the new variants they themselves developed. "preemptively".
saying covid is a cash cow and will remain so for many years.

He also believes that covid-19 escaped a wuhan lab doing that very same thing.

pfizer operates biolabs across the world. including china (but not that one specific biolab from which covid-19 escaped. different ones), ukraine, usa, and dozens of others.
pfizer is not the only international phrama company that does so.

And the bidens are involved, as they have their fingers in many pies. They are a corrupt crime family.

Oh FFS, it's all in one ear and out the other, why do I even bother.

mrttao · Feb 3, 2023

Bacle said:
And I have refuted the pieces of evidence, several times, but the people who push this shit just ignore it and repost the same bullshit a few weeks or months later, so I'm not going play the game with them.

If this really was the case then:
step 1. hit the search button.
step 2. quote yourself
step 3. quote darthone's post. and reply with a quote of yourself refuting it.
This is not that hard.

However, the key words are"the people who..."
you are lumping people together and ascribing to them statements made by other people. This is a strawman.

Bacle said:
Oh FFS, it's all in one ear and out the other, why do I even bother.

... this is technically a way you could reply when caught making a strawman.
nice diversion.

AmosTrask · Feb 3, 2023

DarthOne said:
(Shrugs)

I’m just reporting what I found. As for what is true and what isn’t…well, that’s for historians to decide.

This is the common response disingenuous people utter. I'll move you into the Putin camp and take your posts with a heavy dose of cynicism.

Marduk · Feb 3, 2023

mrttao said:
1. The biden shady shit in Ukraine was before the war started.
As mentioned in the articles linked earlier, they were referencing Hunter Biden's laptop

2. destroying disease samples now in 2022 is not the shady part.
the financial deals with bidens years ago, as well as what they were researching all those years were.

Again, so fucking what? Russians were doing way more shady shit in Ukraine since ages but the people who whine about the above didn't care.
Doesn't Biden do enough shady shit in America for Americans not to obsess about the shady shit he's doing in Ukraine, or is it just the effect of Russian propaganda narratives that obviously have more interest in getting them to whine about Ukraine right now than anything else?

mrttao said:
Some of the articles linked suggested Ukraine is blackmailing Biden. which I think is stupid. The press is more than willing to cover up everything for him already. And they have too much of a mutually beneficial relationship with all that graft going into the pocket of american oligarchs.
Other articles simply say USA is involved because the biden's are personally invested in the country.

At this point a quarter of world's countries may have material to blackmail the Biden family.

mrttao said:
Regardless of whether it was released or not. many countries across the world have big pharma owned labs performing gain of function research that must be halted. because it is both a crime against humanity and also extremely stupid

Fun fact, any country with a bioweapons program does the same research except with specific intent to create weapons grade bugs.

mrttao · Feb 3, 2023

Marduk said:
Again, so fucking what? Russians were doing way more shady shit in Ukraine since ages but the people who whine about the above didn't care.

Russia is a foreign country
Russia is not the president of the USA. (a country can't be a president).
Biden is the president of the USA.
It is quite natural for americans to care what their president is doing, and not care what happens in a 3rd world failed country halfway around the world.

Marduk said:
Doesn't Biden do enough shady shit in America for Americans not to obsess about the shady shit he's doing in Ukraine

1. It is not obsessing. we wouldn't have even had a big discussion about this if it wasn't for some people making a big deal out of it. in the form of vatnik accusations.

2. while there are certainly plenty of crimes being done by the bidens in america. might as well list what they do abroad too.

Marduk said:
Fun fact, any country with a bioweapons program does the same research except with specific intent to create weapons grade bugs.

Which is Crimes against humanity and also very stupid.
Nothing fun about it, it is horrifying.

Also of note almost all countries signed a total blanket ban on bioweapons

Biological Weapons Convention - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

not a single country actually openly admits to having a bioweapons program.
but I am sure multiple countries perform it in secret despite the ban.

Marduk · Feb 3, 2023

mrttao said:
Russia is a foreign country
Russia is not the president of the USA. (a country can't be a president).
Biden is the president of the USA.
It is quite natural for americans to care what their president is doing, and not care what happens in a 3rd world failed country halfway around the world.

Ukraine is also a foreign country FYI. Yet for some people this is getting more of their attention than any foreign relations controversies like with, say, Mexico, that affect Americans far more, orders of magnitude more.

mrttao said:
1. It is not obsessing. we wouldn't have even had a big discussion about this if it wasn't for some people making a big deal out of it. in the form of vatnik accusations.

2. while there are certainly plenty of crimes being done by the bidens in america. might as well list what they do abroad too.

Pretty absolutely sure that the "vatnik accusations" real and imagined have started as a result the "discussion", rather than the other way around. As the people insisting on that "discussion" had pretty clear and open intent in it, and it fell on the wrong side of the "cui bono" test.

mrttao said:
Which is Crimes against humanity and also very stupid.
Nothing fun about it, it is horrifying.

Your bullshit is a crime against humanity too, spare me the over the top dramatics.

mrttao said:
Also of note almost all countries signed a total blanket ban on bioweapons

Biological Weapons Convention - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

not a single country actually openly admits to having a bioweapons program.
but I am sure multiple countries perform it in secret despite the ban.

Well duh. Statements don't count for much.

mrttao · Feb 3, 2023

Marduk said:
Ukraine is also a foreign country FYI. Yet for some people this is getting more of their attention than any foreign relations controversies like with, say, Mexico, that affect Americans far more, orders of magnitude more.

1. "What biden did in ukraine" != "what ukraine did"
a few extra words completely change the meaning

2. Please prey tell, what did biden do in mexico?

Marduk said:
Pretty absolutely sure that the "vatnik accusations" real and imagined have started as a result the "discussion", rather than the other way around.

No, literally the very first reply you had to the story being brought up was

Marduk said:
It's an old vatnik propaganda story.

and this is the only reason I even got into the argument in the first place.

mrttao said:
> Vatnik!
> this is just a crazy conspiracy theories

just casual dismissal and denial.
for shame.

you guys are so invested in defeating russia that you willfully bury any wrongdoing involving anyone else.
as if russia somehow has a monopoly on doing bad stuff.'

mrttao · Feb 3, 2023

Marduk said:
Your bullshit is a crime against humanity too, spare me the over the top dramatics.

are you... are you seriously defending bioweapons?

Bioweapons are a crime against humanity.
Calling bioweapons a crime against humanity is not "over the top dramatics"

mrttao · Feb 3, 2023

Marduk said:
Your bullshit is bioweapon grade.

It is not bullshit.
What the fuck is wrong with you.

First you dismissed my condemnation of big pharma developing covid variants with the whataboutism:

Marduk said:
Fun fact, any country with a bioweapons program does the same research except with specific intent to create weapons grade bugs.

And when I said this is also crimes against humanity you called my reaction an "over the top dramatics"

I gave you an opportunity to backtrack... but no, you are doubling down on defending bioweapons?

Seriously what the actual fuck.

DarthOne · Feb 4, 2023

AmosTrask said:
This is the common response disingenuous people utter. I'll move you into the Putin camp and take your posts with a heavy dose of cynicism.

Or, you know, most of us have reasons to question THE NARRATIVE beyond being supposed Putin fans.

But go ahead, throw me into the pile if you want. ‘Everyone who disagrees with me is ~~Hitler~~ a Vatnik’ and all that jazz.

I am throughly sick of trying to share possible information about Ukraine that flies outside of THE NARRATIVE, even if just to discuss it, much less argue about it, at this point. Anything I say just makes me a Russian bot/useful idiot in some people’s eyes.

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Bigking321 · Feb 5, 2023

Yeah, gotta agree.

It seems pretty obvious to me that our corrupt elites are using the war as a excuse to dump lots of public money off in Ukraine to have it laundered into globalists bank accounts. And accuse anyone that questions it of being a Russian sympathizer or plant.

But, whatever. It seems that some have latched onto "100% support for the war and don't you dare question it" as a hill to die on. It's giving me flashbacks to Iraq. Agree to disagree I suppose.

Captain X · Feb 5, 2023

No, it's that you've been fooled by Russian propaganda because you were already leaning toward contrarianism on this issue. You also seem fail to understand that while there is undoubtedly corruption involved and would love for it to be exposed and punished, that our support of Ukraine's defense and condemnation of naked expansionism on the part of Russia do not hinge on this fact. It very much gives the appearance of you grasping at straws to try to talk everyone else into giving up on Ukraine and just let Russia do whatever it wants. Also, the fact that a lot of these straws are literally being handed to you by Russia, and the fact that you are just ignoring all evidence that refutes the propaganda you're accepting, as well as how you just ignore basically every other aspect to this conflict are what at least makes you look like a vatnik. I would say that at the very least I don't see you celebrating the death and destruction being done to the Ukrainian people (unlike a certain someone else), so you at least have that going for you.

Bigking321 · Feb 5, 2023

...

"I feel like our corrupt elites are playing games with our money using the war as a excuse"

"Way to fall for propaganda. Vatnik."

Sigh...

I guess we're done then.

You all have a nice conversation. I'm not really feeling like continuing with this.

PsihoKekec · Feb 5, 2023

And departniks win again by being obtuse as fuck

Rocinante · Feb 5, 2023

Bigking321 said:
...

"I feel like our corrupt elites are playing games with our money using the war as a excuse"

"Way to fall for propaganda. Vatnik."

Sigh...

I guess we're done then.

You all have a nice conversation. I'm not really feeling like continuing with this.

You're not allowed to question our quickly escalating proxy war.

No talking of peace talks, end games,.compromises or negotiations.

Nope, all in until nukes fly and ww3 pops off, or you're a russian propagandist.

The fact that people refuse to debate this or talk about it reasonably is terrifying.

You can't point out that Ukraine is slowly getting everything it wants. Biden admin a few months ago, "we aren't sending tanks, that means WW3," Biden a few days ago, "we're sending tanks to Ukraine."

We weren't going to send patriot missiles. Now they're being sent.

We have sent over 100 billion dollars. Much of which has been used by their corrupt officials for lavish vacations.

We keep empowering them to keep escalating, and what we SHOULD be doing is encouraging peace talks and negotiations. But nope, we are gonna end up in WW3 and half these mouth breathing war mongers on this site are cheering it on.

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