Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

SoliFortissimi said:
That will change when more leftist parties or politicians gain power. Israel should be ready in advance, for once.
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I don't know where you live but in the EU they are trying everything they can to stop populist parties. Not to mention they eat their own now since Fico in Slovakia has been rebranded far right. AFD is risking to be banned in the near future for the flimsiet of reasons.
Most countries of the EU...their mainstream leftist parties have lost any popular support in the general population most of the time. Look at Sweden or Italy.
SoliFortissimi said:
Siege and starvation are effective ways of crushing a hostile insurgency.
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It's not going to end well regardless. It's going to end with the annihilation of Gaza, but you might as well been giving a PR gift to Hamas for the next generation. Or two.
 
Bacle said:


Hamas says they will attack US bases/embassies in the region if Biden intervenes/aids Israel.

Edit: DC is looking at some people in the DoD and State Dept for having aided Tehran or taken orders from them.


Edit 2: Hamas openly saying they will kill hostages in retaliation for airstrikes.



I think Israel is unlikely to get any hostages back alive that aren't rescued by SF teams, and even then Hamas is likley going to kill most hostages rather than let them go, as Israel has said there will be no more talking with Hamas.
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Hezbollah, not Hamas, bit close on the threat to US.
Hezbollah does not want that thunder. Lebanon, Iran, etc will become targets as well
 
Free-Stater 101 said:
So, @GoldRanger sorry to interrupt or bother you I know it may be annoying that I ask for you to speak about something involving your home country but given you're the only person I know on the site with his boots on the ground in Israel could you mention the general attitude involving the attack? Also, what is your current situation> I just want to make sure you are safe.
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Dude hasn't been here since Saturday @Free-Stater 101 either he has bigger fish to fry (rightfully so, regardless of my opinions if I was under siege, the last thing I would do is post on the Sietch) or worst case scenario...well I don't have to spell it out.
Even though I disagreed with him on a couple of times, I do not wish any harm on him or any civilians' life, be it Israeli or Palestinian, especially the kids who have to pay the consequences of idiotic adults.
Husky_Khan said:
Backup Link on the much shared and publicized Wall Street Journal article stating that Senior Hamas and Hezbollah officials have stated Iran helped them plan this operation back in August and gave their go ahead for the operation to be executed only days ago during a meeting in Beirut.


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Ok, Hezbollah makes sense. What doesn't make sense is the IRI helping a Sunni organization when they are explicitly Shia and I don't see a Paki-Naxalite style alliance between the two, it is more likely either Qatar, Saudi or others.
It sounds like a claim that was made for Iraq's invasion : that Saddam was an ally of Al-Qaeda. Not to mention how many times WSJ has been caught up lying? Didn't they lie also about the coof and other stuff?
 
TheRejectionist said:
Ok, Hezbollah makes sense. What doesn't make sense is the IRI helping a Sunni organization when they are explicitly Shia and I don't see a Paki-Naxalite style alliance between the two, it is more likely either Qatar, Saudi or others.
It sounds like a claim that was made for Iraq's invasion : that Saddam was an ally of Al-Qaeda. Not to mention how many times WSJ has been caught up lying? Didn't they lie also about the coof and other stuff?
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The Sunni-Shia split is a very, very, very basic way of looking at things. It obviously exists of course but it's not a divide so great that it prevents actual cooperation.

During the Iran-Iraq War it was mostly Shiite forces that expressly didn't rebel against the Hussein government and Shiite Arabs/Iraqis fought alongside Sunnis against the Iranians.

Even during the heights of internecine warfare in Iraq and Syria where Sunni extremists and Shiite extremists were slaughtering each other, they also coordinated efforts in other arenas. The Islamic State in Syria was selling oil to the Alawite Assad Regime in the earlier states of the Islamic State rising because IS forces were predominantly fighting other insurgencies including rival Sunni Islamist groups (sometimes backed by Qatar and other Gulf States).

Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran have been working together for a while now and Hezbollah has always been seen as far more effective a fighting force then Hamas has displayed themselves to be.
 
TheRejectionist said:
Dude hasn't been here since Saturday @Free-Stater 101 either he has bigger fish to fry (rightfully so, regardless of my opinions if I was under siege, the last thing I would do is post on the Sietch) or worst case scenario...well I don't have to spell it out.
Even though I disagreed with him on a couple of times, I do not wish any harm on him or any civilians' life, be it Israeli or Palestinian, especially the kids who have to pay the consequences of idiotic adults.
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Isn't he a reservist?
That would be a reason for him to not post for some time.
 


Well fuck, looks like Egypt may have been lying about warning Israel before hand.

If Egypt is compromised again, this could get messy.
 
Lord Sovereign said:
…Greater Israeli Empire time?

I’m down for it.
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Fuck that.

You want to handle the refugees ? I don't. Israel already has created enough chaos with Syria not going to take the burden of their response to Hamas lightining guerrilla war.

Unless they plan to end it all and we might have a different set of problems.

Gaza is Israel's not Europe's problem. Or the world. They made the bed and the might sleep with it now.
 
I don't think Israel wants it either Haha.

They'd probably prefer ruling Madagascar as opposed to their friendly amicable neighbors in the Levant and beyond.
 
TheRejectionist said:
Fuck that.

You want to handle the refugees ? I don't. Israel already has created enough chaos with Syria not going to take the burden of their response to Hamas lightining guerrilla war.

Unless they plan to end it all and we might have a different set of problems.

Gaza is Israel's not Europe's problem. Or the world. They made the bed and the might sleep with it now.
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They didn't make it though; we did by forcing them to give the Palestinians a home, and to back off whenever they attacked.
 
Terthna said:
They didn't make it though; we did by forcing them to give the Palestinians a home, and to back off whenever they attacked.
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How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ.com

Andrew Higgins on how Israel's decades-long dealings with Palestinian Islamists reveal a catalog of unintended and often perilous consequences.
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Hamas : politics, charity, and terrorism in the service of jihad : Levitt, Matthew, 1970- : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Published in cooperation with the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
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Husky_Khan said:
Backup Link on the much shared and publicized Wall Street Journal article stating that Senior Hamas and Hezbollah officials have stated Iran helped them plan this operation back in August and gave their go ahead for the operation to be executed only days ago during a meeting in Beirut.






The US publicly stated they had no evidence of that level of collaboration going on at the time. Hamas also publicly stated that it planned the whole operation themselves only acknowledging that Iran has been "supporting" them.
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Which mean,that Moscov backed Iran.Well,interesting,but change notching - palestinians would be still massacred,and Iran&Moscov would do notching to prevent it.

Terthna said:
They didn't make it though; we did by forcing them to give the Palestinians a home, and to back off whenever they attacked.
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Sigh.
Izrael IS Palestinian home.Jews steal it from them.I do not care about both sides - but rights of property work for everybody,even muslims.
 
TheRejectionist said:

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ.com

Andrew Higgins on how Israel's decades-long dealings with Palestinian Islamists reveal a catalog of unintended and often perilous consequences.
web.archive.org web.archive.org

archive.org

Hamas : politics, charity, and terrorism in the service of jihad : Levitt, Matthew, 1970- : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Published in cooperation with the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
archive.org
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Again, we forced them into that situation by not allowing them to directly confront the Palestinians. Naturally, that led them to taking a page from our book, and trying to support groups that looked like they'd fix the problem from within. That it backfired on them just as it did on us is our fault for, in the name of "peace", not allowing them any other options.
 
Terthna said:
Again, we forced them into that situation by not allowing them to directly confront the Palestinians. Naturally, that led them to taking a page from our book, and trying to support groups that looked like they'd fix the problem from within. That it backfired on them just as it did on us is our fault for, in the name of "peace", not allowing them any other options.
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Still remains their creation. Still their problem, going back to my point that I don't want an Israeli empire that are going to cause other problems...as if Europe doesn't have them to begin with thanks to our idiot past and current politicians.
 
TheRejectionist said:
Still remains their creation. Still their problem, going back to my point that I don't want an Israeli empire that are going to cause other problems...as if Europe doesn't have them to begin with thanks to our idiot past and current politicians.
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From Europe's perspective Arab/Islamic empires are far worse potential problem than an Israeli one.

And no, Israelis didn't create Islamists, the ones in Palestine were neither the first in history, nor even the first place for their modern revival.
 
Husky_Khan said:
I don't think Israel wants it either Haha.

They'd probably prefer ruling Madagascar as opposed to their friendly amicable neighbors in the Levant and beyond.
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….Why didn’t the west set them up in Madagascar after the war?

I know, I know ancestral homelands and all that, but surely that would have been a better alternative to being surrounded on all sides by people that hate them.

Or, why didn’t we just carve off a piece of Canada or the US? Washington wouldn’t have exactly been a tremendous loss.

Hell, the British probably could have given them New Zealand, right?

Why, by all that is holy, did the post war west think putting Jews next to Arabs was a good idea?
 
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