Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

George Soros doesn't represent the Jewish population as a whole. Perhaps, their elites- but I would be hesitant even then. The man is a ghoul who sold out his own people to the Nazis. The guy is a monster, and as far as I know he isn't popular among Jews either and I don't think Israel likes him either. I suggest you re-adjust your position here, as it is entirely wrongheaded. Soros is Soros, simple as.

And, yes what he said sounds exactly what a Bush-era Neocon would say.
True Soros is the worst showing. But even discounting Soros you can show many other elites who while not as bad are still pretty bad. I mean I did show that there is a strong undercurrent of liberalism, and many of them have supported the migrants coming to Europe. Again I don't blame all Jews, there are good jews both on this website, in my personal life, and even public ones like Ben Shapiro. But if we are going to point to crazy Muslims as a representative then why can't we point to crazy Jews as a representative?
 
True Soros is the worst showing. But even discounting Soros you can show many other elites who while not as bad are still pretty bad. I mean I did show that there is a strong undercurrent of liberalism, and many of them have supported the migrants coming to Europe. Again I don't blame all Jews, there are good jews both on this website, in my personal life, and even public ones like Ben Shapiro. But if we are going to point to crazy Muslims as a representative then why can't we point to crazy Jews as a representative?

I'll put it out there, that two wrongs do not make a right. Further acting in such a way only gives your opposition ammunition to attack you, and would turn off people willing to give what you have to say a fair shake. It only dilutes what you have to say, you have a message and you should stick to it.

And on the issue of liberalism, one has to question whether it is a feature of non-Orthodox Jewish culture, a result of higher educational attainment (Jews tend to be more educated, and more educated people do tend towards liberalism), or another factor. And, is their support for migration founded in their liberalism or does it come from their own experiences lending sympathy to displaced people?
 
Did you not look at the post above with your fellow pole was saying he would support a crusade?
He and what, 2 other guys? He represents a fringe of a fringe political faction.
Also at least religious kinship makes sense because you can support the side and say they are good people who believes the same as you.
Not all people who profess any philosophical belief in existence are good people. Anyone who says otherwise is retarded or lying. Which is why societies ran by people with such assumptions suck to live in so much that even the people who believe that leave to live elsewhere.
Do you believe the same as college leftists who support Hamas? They have just as much of a claim to your nation as you do possibly more. Probably not for Poland because Eastern Europe is still salvageable but Western Europe and America.

For one leftists are internationalists, just like the Muslims, and as such, they don't care about nations, which is why they import the Muslims and also third worlders of other religions.
Ideally they should be exiled to live with the people they care about the most.
I addressed this above, but no we don’t have a beef with Muslims in their own nations. If they come here it can be a problem but again Muslims are a symptom not the cause.
I fucking repeat again, the Muslims in question do not give the tiniest damn about national borders, and neither do their beefs. I see no rational reason to pretend otherwise.
The attitude you are demonstrating here is part of the cause - that westerners aren't willing to plot ruin and devastation upon openly declared rival civilizations, and those who do have to be secretive and ashamed of it in front of ourselves.
Have you forgotten what Jews have done?
Remind me, this is gonna be good.
All sides can play the blame game and point to what individuals in groups have done. Also your plan about opportunities to be seized doesn’t tell us anything. There are two groups not that we should ally with one of them if they are both Allie’s then we should call them down if they are both neutral we can safely ignore them. If they are both hostile then that is where many options open up from propping up the weaker side to keep the conflict going to getting involved to all sorts. Tell me why Israel should be our ally and Palestine our enemy?
Sorry, geopolitics feel no obligation to fit the simplistic terms you want them to fit.
FFS, some strategy games have more complex international policy models than "allies, neutrals and enemies", and games are notorious for unrealistically simplistic diplomatic models. If you can't handle the complexity, leave politics to those who can, instead of demanding everyone dumbs it down to fit your shitty early access 4x grade model.

For one the 2 groups are very much not equal theoretical options in scale and potential threat.
Jews don't have the numbers to conquer our lands even if they wanted to, and won't have for centuries even in wildest conspiracy theories, especially if some of those are right about them taking Muslim lands.
Meanwhile Muslims have both the will (since their religion exists, with temporary distractions and truces in the meantime) and the numbers, they only lack the economic, military and organizational means to effectively act on such ambitions.
Hence it is in the interest of all western countries to support anyone who soaks up what resources they can muster, so they can't focus on exploiting many of our current weaknesses instead. While technically the Islamic world could ignore the presence of a Jewish enclave in North Africa and focus on more promising endeavors, peaceful or not, ideologically it would pain them too much to do so, and that's something for their rivals to exploit.
George Soros.
Of all things to be mad at Israel for, this one is completely bonkers. He and his activities are far more welcomed by western leftists who want Israel to be conquered by Arabs than in Israel itself. As far as they are concerned he's a seditious element to the in-group (if selling out Jews to Nazis in his youth wasn't enough to tip everyone off), much like reds in the West are seen by nationalists, as you can see, to the point of government officials shitting on Soros' attempts to use the criticism=antisemitism defense.
Israeli media sound similar to European "far right" when talking about Soros.
 
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In what way are they our enemy? What actions have they taken against us? What possible harm can they do against us? And what do you mean by "us" anyways?
The teach their children to hate everyone not like themselves, and have been very open about their intentions to eventually kill us all ("us" meaning all of western civilization).



True Soros is the worst showing. But even discounting Soros you can show many other elites who while not as bad are still pretty bad. I mean I did show that there is a strong undercurrent of liberalism, and many of them have supported the migrants coming to Europe. Again I don't blame all Jews, there are good jews both on this website, in my personal life, and even public ones like Ben Shapiro. But if we are going to point to crazy Muslims as a representative then why can't we point to crazy Jews as a representative?
The problem is, it's not just "crazy Muslim" outliers; a large portion, if the vast majority, of Muslims support Hamas. Or have you not noticed all the celebrations over what happened on October 7th, or the riots over Israel's response?
 
And here you demonstrate that you are a monster. You say you would be totally fine with mass death of 2 million people, 40% of which are children. You lust for blood. The reason why I back Israel is because they don't do this. You are the same as those who cheer Hamas on. I should have realized this back when you simped for Japan to go to war with Russia that you just love war. I don't know why I bothered debating morality with someone with no morals, but I'm done talking to you about morals. I'll just quote this in the future, and tag you as the disgusting, morally empty person that you are.
I wouldn't be okay with it, but I wouldn't condemn Israel for doing it either. Because those children? If they're not broken away from their death cult of a culture, they will eventually grow up to dedicate their lives to killing everyone who isn't exactly like them. Sometimes brutality is necessary in order to break the enemy, and end the conflict permanently; though ideally it wouldn't come to having to kill all of them. Sometimes, you just have to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
 
The teach their children to hate everyone not like themselves, and have been very open about their intentions to eventually kill us all ("us" meaning all of western civilization).




The problem is, it's not just "crazy Muslim" outliers; a large portion, if the vast majority, of Muslims support Hamas. Or have you not noticed all the celebrations over what happened on October 7th, or the riots over Israel's response?

Assuming that is the case, I still wouldn't consider them an enemy. To be an enemy would require them to be an actual threat to us, which they aren't. The only way that they could actually harm us is if they come to our lands, and from what I understand most of them wish to stay home. So here is the question, then why would you support something which could drive a potential enemy into your lands? Would you not rather avoid the possibility and have them stay put and away from the West, where they cannot harm us?

What was Israel's response, then? And why would rioting about it, be in support of Hamas? Can you actually see into the mind of the people there? Can you divine their intentions? And if not, isn't it usually best practice to assume the best of people's reason for doing their actions? Could it not be that they are angry at what they perceive to be the unjust slaughter of their kinsmen?
 
That the side that starts the war and starts violating the laws of war faces the full consequences of war and all the same warcrimes has been how state to state interaction has always worked until 1945. In fact, even today, no sound legal argument can be presented against that principle still applying, only mealy mouthed words about the general consensus shifting, yet no signed international treaties or legally binding votes to back that claim up.

Bomber Harris and Curtis LeMay were never prosecuted for conducting orders of magnitude more terror bombing than the Axis ever did, and you know what? That's perfectly fine, because the Axis started the war and openly rejected all forms of international law.

The Laws of War have always been agreements to mutually withhold from particular actions. There has never been any legally binding protection by the Laws of War for someone that breaks the same law. And simple game theory has always upheld Tit for Tat as the only rational and long term successful strategy against rulebreakers.
 
I wouldn't be okay with it, but I wouldn't condemn Israel for doing it either. Because those children? If they're not broken away from their death cult of a culture, they will eventually grow up to dedicate their lives to killing everyone who isn't exactly like them. Sometimes brutality is necessary in order to break the enemy, and end the conflict permanently; though ideally it wouldn't come to having to kill all of them. Sometimes, you just have to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
But if both sides are genocidal then Hamas would not be a death cult? It would be a group fighting against another group for the right to live on a certain piece of land.

In reality Hamas is worse because they are keeping the war ongoing since they can accept the two state solution and even if everything the Palestinian side says is true and the Jews did invade and steal the land, wars have to end eventually and them being the losers should just acknowledge peace and make a deal for not losing any more land. If the Jewish side is true and the land is not stolen then the Palestinians are fighting to conquer land that is not theirs. Either way the Palestinians should accept they won't get the entire levant and make peace.
 
Literally irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Also, you seem to completely forget that I've called them a death cult.
Not irrelevant at all; you are not treating Hamas as a death cult, but as a legit government and movement, while I am treating them as the terrorist/death cult scum they are.
And here you demonstrate that you are a monster. You say you would be totally fine with mass death of 2 million people, 40% of which are children. You lust for blood. The reason why I back Israel is because they don't do this. You are the same as those who cheer Hamas on. I should have realized this back when you simped for Japan to go to war with Russia that you just love war. I don't know why I bothered debating morality with someone with no morals, but I'm done talking to you about morals. I'll just quote this in the future, and tag you as the disgusting, morally empty person that you are.
No, what I am is someone who understands the lessons of Sun Tzu and Sherman, and would not risk any one I valued or commanded to try to use kids gloves on a death cult with rockets, Vet Kong-esque spider holes, and suicide vests.

Also, the Kuril's are recognized Japanese territory and the USSR/Russia are the ones who continue to illegally occupy them because they didn't want to sign the WW2 peace treaty with Japan.
I wouldn't be okay with it, but I wouldn't condemn Israel for doing it either. Because those children? If they're not broken away from their death cult of a culture, they will eventually grow up to dedicate their lives to killing everyone who isn't exactly like them. Sometimes brutality is necessary in order to break the enemy, and end the conflict permanently; though ideally it wouldn't come to having to kill all of them. Sometimes, you just have to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The other options beside the nukes were literally starving Japan to death/till they surrendered with a blockade.

Israel has tried, repeatedly, to find another option for dealing with Gaza and Hamas; Hamas does not want peace, they want all Jews and non-Muslims/non-'right' Muslim dead. Most of Gaza are part of Hamas in one way or another and the indoc starts when the kids of Gaza are toddlers, so even a 5-10 year old may be willing to wear a suicide vest, and the mothers are proud of kids who martyr themselves.

This is a level of evil that cannot be effectively reasoned with, as time has shown, and which is baked into the youth of Gaza at a very young age. I do not even know where you could begin trying to deprogram the young people in Gaza, and I am not someone who would spend/waste lives of sane and rational people to do so.
 
Assuming that is the case, I still wouldn't consider them an enemy. To be an enemy would require them to be an actual threat to us, which they aren't. The only way that they could actually harm us is if they come to our lands, and from what I understand most of them wish to stay home. So here is the question, then why would you support something which could drive a potential enemy into your lands? Would you not rather avoid the possibility and have them stay put and away from the West, where they cannot harm us?
The problem with that reasoning, is that our leaders have already been inviting them in for decades now; they're already here.

What was Israel's response, then? And why would rioting about it, be in support of Hamas? Can you actually see into the mind of the people there? Can you divine their intentions? And if not, isn't it usually best practice to assume the best of people's reason for doing their actions? Could it not be that they are angry at what they perceive to be the unjust slaughter of their kinsmen?
Don't try to be cute; when someone is literally chanting "death to Israel" holding aloft signs that say "Hamas did nothing wrong" while trying to beat the crap out of every Jew they can get their hands on, there is no weaseling out of that. I don't have to read their minds; I just have to listen to what they are telling me, instead of closing my ears to it because it doesn't fit my narrative.
 
This is a level of evil that cannot be effectively reasoned with, as time has shown, and which is baked into the youth of Gaza at a very young age. I do not even know where you could begin trying to deprogram the young people in Gaza, and I am not someone who would spend/waste lives of sane and rational people to do so.
I forget who said it, but someone said that World War 2 was inevitable because Germany was never made to believe that they had lost World War 1. They kept making excuses for themselves, and many refused to accept that the war was actually over; something Hitler exploited to great effect to lead them into a second World War.

The first step to deprogramming the Palestinians requires that they admit to themselves that their ideology has completely and utterly failed. Until that happens, they'll keep killing in its name.
 
The problem with that reasoning, is that our leaders have already been inviting them in for decades now; they're already here.


Don't try to be cute; when someone is literally chanting "death to Israel" holding aloft signs that say "Hamas did nothing wrong" while trying to beat the crap out of every Jew they can get their hands on, there is no weaseling out of that. I don't have to read their minds; I just have to listen to what they are telling me, instead of closing my ears to it because it doesn't fit my narrative.

And then why make the problem worse by bringing in even more people?

I am not being cute, you are the one trying to be cute. You are trying to tar a whole religion with the same brush as it is politically advantageous to you. Trying to say that a few represent the all, so you can slander them. You are literally trying to point to unverified anecdotes as if they are evidence, you are flailing. You did not even address my point about the obvious reason as to why they are upset. It is almost as if you don't want to acknowledge that civilians being killed in a conflict is deeply upsetting to people, especially if they consider them to be of their own kin group.

And, you are closing your ears. It is clear you are only listening to what you want to hear, and nothing else. You are not listening, because otherwise you would not want to tar a whole religion to win an argument on the internet. I mean what level of petty do you need to be to tar nearly two billion people to win an argument on the internet?

And, yes you don't need to read their minds, because you have already decided what is in it. In fact, you wouldn't want to read their minds as it would tell you that you are wrong. You hear what you want to hear, and nothing else.
 
I forget who said it, but someone said that World War 2 was inevitable because Germany was never made to believe that they had lost World War 1. They kept making excuses for themselves, and many refused to accept that the war was actually over; something Hitler exploited to great effect to lead them into a second World War.

The first step to deprogramming the Palestinians requires that they admit to themselves that their ideology has completely and utterly failed. Until that happens, they'll keep killing in its name.

So you wish to break and humiliate a people, and push them into the dirt? To utterly subjugate them, to break their hopes and dreams, to utterly crush their spirits?

Because if you don't, it certainly sounds like you do.
 
No, not really.
And to give you an idea how odd that is for modern civilizations, it would be as unusual as if Christians from Canada, Australia and Argentina were united in cheering on some Christian militia in Africa doing warcrimes to neighboring non-Christians.
I'd say that in current time it's pretty much an Islam unique phenomenon.
I cheer on watching Hamas get bombed.
But I also cheer the US bombing ISIS.

@Hlaalu Agent Muslims are our enemy because they want everyone who is not Muslim dead or converted.
You included.

Well radical Muslims.
Indonesian ones are diffrent
 
So you wish to break and humiliate a people, and push them into the dirt? To utterly subjugate them, to break their hopes and dreams, to utterly crush their spirits?

Because if you don't, it certainly sounds like you do.
We had to do that to make Germany actually de-Nazi-fy, and Japan took the Emperor himself calling the surrender to get the IJA/IJN to stand down.

Unless/until the people of Gaza are made to understand and accept why Hamas and Islamic Jihad are evil and most be eliminated, they will keep trying to follow Hamas's worldview and mindset.

And crushing the spirits of jihadi's should be a good thing, should it not?
 
I cheer on watching Hamas get bombed.
But I also cheer the US bombing ISIS.

@Hlaalu Agent Muslims are our enemy because they want everyone who is not Muslim dead or converted.
You included.

Well radical Muslims.
Indonesian ones are diffrent

And so are many Indian/Pakistani Muslims, many Iranians, nor are the Alawites (as far as I can tell) and other smaller nationalities, and so are the Hui (as far as I can tell). So, again, it is entirely unfair to tar all Muslims with the same brush. All, I am seeing is people trying to justify their own position by acting in ways that are entirely unacceptable.

If your position was so tenable, why the need to attack nearly a fourth of the world population in such a broad and sweeping way? Islam is not a hivemind. Remember there are two, or even three (Ibadi) branches and then each of those has a number of sects and differing schools. Each has their own way of viewing the world, and has even syncretized with other religions to a large degree to the point of forming entirely new faiths. It is entirely disingenuous to treat Islam as monolithic, and to treat the Islamic world as itself an enemy. I am not saying there isn't an enemy in Islam, but I think that the majority of the Islamic world as at peace with the West.
 
I forget who said it, but someone said that World War 2 was inevitable because Germany was never made to believe that they had lost World War 1. They kept making excuses for themselves, and many refused to accept that the war was actually over; something Hitler exploited to great effect to lead them into a second World War.

The first step to deprogramming the Palestinians requires that they admit to themselves that their ideology has completely and utterly failed. Until that happens, they'll keep killing in its name.
This nonsense that is taught in western schools is silly. No Germany and Japan did not stop because they believe their "ideology has completely and utterly failed." What nonsense is that? The Germans had an ideology yes, Nazism. But did the Imperial Germans have an ideology that was diffrent from the British? No they were both monarchial powers that were colonial and were competing for resources and colonies. Same applies to Imperial Japan they did not really have an ideology, sure they were diffrent from the U.S. one was a republic the other was not. But a Japan that would have been a republic or democracy would also have come to blows with the U.S. in the Pacific as long as it was interested in not being under the U.S. thumb.

Now they understand they can't beat us and that living under our control is not too bad, so there isn't much incentive to rebel. But again it's not an ideology to put your national interests first. Japan and the U.S. got into conflict because Japan was trying to get colonies and power in East Asia are you saying Republics don't do that sort of stuff? Have you not been paying attention to history the past 50 years?
 
The "mask" is that many in the West, especially those on the Left, believed the lie that the Palestinians are victims of oppression and are oh-so innocent.

This attack, with or without MSM interference, has ripped that mask off completely, so only die hard Leftists and the most stupid out there aren't seeing that the Palestinians are essentially death cultists. Mothers would have no issue with sending their children out as suicide bombers, or be bait to be shot at when near security checkpoints. Kids and teens all over are being taught how to use rifles because they're the "next generation" of militants.

They are Hamas, and Hamas is them.

They're not "innocent victims" because even those outside of Israel and the Strip, such those "refugees" in European capitals, are acting like fucking animals on the streets.

The mask has slipped, and people are seeing it in full now.

He's not wrong.

There will always be outliers as in any group, and children who haven't been exposed to indoctrination yet (IIRC they start at five) in media and schools are innocent (unless it's started at home earlier or they're brainwashed by anti-Israel cartoons), but the rest? The men, women, and older kids/teens? They support Hamas fully because they've been indoctrinted over generations.

They're a death cult based on a lie.
The Palestinians are a people, not all Palestinians are in Hamas and not everyone shares your perspective. The same genocidal rhetoric is wrong regardless of excuses. The Israelis must come to terms with this being part and parcel of living in a multicultural middle east. As the larger and more powerful entity Israel has a moral obligation to exercise the absolute minimum of force. From everything i and millions of others have seen on social media they clearly have not.
 

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