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Bigking321 said:

Trump is helping sell a Bible with American founding documents added. It's rather topical.

You seem to take offense whenever religion or Christianity in particular are mentioned. I'm sorry about that.

But it comes up sometimes and sometimes that sparks a discussion.

On a site built on free speech it seems odd to keep saying that people are talking too much about something again.

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Trump selling a new version of the Bible is topical, yeah. Pretty genius move on his part, too.

No, I'm not "offended" whenever religion is brought up (though I admit it does annoy me a little when it's randomly brought up in threads that have nothing to do with religion, unlike here).

As I've said before, I'm just mindful of what third-parties, especially people thinking about joining the site, will think of us when they see members either randomly bringing in Bible verses to make points (as in other threads), randomly declare things of being "the Devil's/Satan's work" as a reaction (no, someone being a reprehensible, greedy cunt of a human being doesn't mean they're a fucking Satanist or have made some pact with the Devil smh), and thinking by default other people view things with a theological perspective/frame in mind like they do (which I've seen a few times -- having such a view is fine, but expecting/automatically thinking others to have the same view because of religion is another matter entirely, which I've seen a few times especially when Alphabet Soup stuff is brought up).

We've already got an undeserved stigma of being the "bolt-hole site for Nazis, alt-righters, racists and xenophobes and all that jazz" -- We don't need "batshit crazy Christian fundamentalists" added to that list, too.

It's the same thing when you see commentators on sites like YouTube randomly quoting Bible verses on topics that have nothing to do with religion. You're gonna think that those people are stereotypical "Bible Thumpers" at first glance (and, amusingly enough, they usually are if you look at their profiles/bios).

t;ldr: Optics, people.

Jormungandr said:

Trump selling a new version of the Bible is topical, yeah. Pretty genius move on his part, too.

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It's an incredibly stupid move.

Have you actually read the Bible? He just lost practically everyone who has read it and does follow it.

bintananth said:

It's an incredibly stupid move.

Have you actually read the Bible? He just lost practically everyone who has read it and does follow it.

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He's tapping into people by not only providing a new print of it (giving it a shiny new coat of paint, basically), but one bundled with the most "American" documents you can find out there. Americans are gonna eat this shit up. shrug

Even I, an outsider, can see this tactic working. It's not going to cause most Christians to abandon him.

Jormungandr said:

It's the same thing when you see commentators on sites like YouTube randomly quoting Bible verses on topics that have nothing to do with religion. You're gonna think that those people are stereotypical "Bible Thumpers" at first glance (and, amusingly enough, they usually are if you look at their profiles/bios).

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So... what's the problem with that?

Do you think any religious expression should be kept private and any public displays or references are inherently distasteful/inappropriate or something like that?

Edit: My apologies. I somehow managed to skip right over the part where you say randomly.

If it's a Bible verse related to a topic I'm fine with it but a random Bible verse of the day posted randomly is a bit annoying.

Again sorry for misreading that.

bintananth said:

To answer B: You do not need to evangelize.

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I have never heard anything like this in my life. It seems diametrically opposed to everything I know about Christianity.

Could you elaborate on this? Is it a specific denomination or something?

I do have a bible. I don't have a copy of the founding documents though.

as for thoughts on evangelization? you can go too far with it but Christians do need to work at actually putting forth a positive view of themselves. I see loads of people shitting on Christians all the time. I rarely see Christians have a spine when dealing with it though. there has been a long campaign of negative stereotypes foisted on Christians for several decades now. I'm just tired of the obnoxious fedora tipping antitheists at this point. they are worse moral busybodies than the Christians and they are generally just fucking hypocrites.

Bigking321 said:

Trump is helping sell a Bible with American founding documents added. It's rather topical.

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I would like for you to take the word I bolded from your post and reconsider what both you and I have to say.

The Bible should not be up for sale. A true copy of the Bible in any languague should be free and availible upon request by anyone and for anyone who asks for one.

bintananth said:

I would like for you to take the word I bolded from your post and reconsider what both you and I have to say.

The Bible should not be up for sale. A true copy of the Bible in any languague should be free and availible upon request by anyone and for anyone who asks for one.

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Hmm...

Well that's certainly a viewpoint. Can't say I fully agree with it.

Free Bibles are great. There's a group called the Gideons that are basically a charity that distributes free Bibles around the world. Plus you can download free copies of the Bible quite easily. Most churches give free new testaments on request.

But if someone wants to buy or sell a Bible I have absolutely no problem with it. Wanting to prevent the sale of Bibles seems like a rather bad idea to me.

Bigking321 said:

So... what's the problem with that?

Do you think any religious expression should be kept private and any public displays or references are inherently distasteful/inappropriate or something like that?


I have never heard anything like this in my life. It seems diametrically opposed to everything I know about Christianity.

Could you elaborate on this? Is it a specific denomination or something?

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No, I don't think religious expression should be kept private, but there's a time and place for everything -- For example, randomly bringing up religion or religious quotes when the topic has nothing to do with it or as a reaction to something unrelated is like my bringing up racism or sexism in topics that have nothing to do with them: You'd naturally look at me with a "da fuq?" perspective.

For example, if there were a news story about racoons getting high off people's buried drug stashes or robbing other racoons, and I made comments about, say, Black people doing the same things out of the blue, or if there were a news story about a defect being found in a certain type of car and they're being recalled and I made (non-humour) comments about "well, this explains women drivers", how do you think people would look at me?

My personal views aside, and as I've said before, we've already got a ton of labels attached to us -- We don't need "batshit crazy Christians" added to the list to basically discourage people from looking at us as a community to join, and posts which randomly bring up religion or religious quotes out of nowhere aren't helping things.

Optics.

Jormungandr said:

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Sorry. I just edited my previous post with a apology. I missed that you said "randomly" and I mistook what you meant with it being mentioned at all.

I was hoping to get the edit up before you responded but I was too late for that.

Apologies for misunderstanding what you meant there.

Bigking321 said:

Sorry. I just edited my previous post with a apology. I missed that you said "randomly" and I mistook what you meant with it being mentioned at all.

I was hoping to get the edit up before you responded but I was too late for that.

Apologies for misunderstanding.

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It's fine bro, don't worry about it.

Husky_Khan said:

Just FYI, since there is confusion on this. Lee Greenwood, the individual who sang 'God Bless the USA' and many other famous pieces of country music, released this version of the King James Bible almost two years ago I think. It's basically a large print King James Bible with founding American documents like the US Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence contained within it as well.

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That sounds pretty based. A righteous and Christian Republic could do with such a book.

Perhaps in Britain we should slap Magna Carta at the front of ours…

Jormungandr said:

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Optics.

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if you have to pay for a copy of religious text that religion is doing it wrong.

bintananth said:

I would like for you to take the word I bolded from your post and reconsider what both you and I have to say.

The Bible should not be up for sale. A true copy of the Bible in any languague should be free and availible upon request by anyone and for anyone who asks for one.

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ok THIS I agree with and there are a couple of scriptures to back it up, but that didn't seem to be what you were arguing earlier.

bintananth said:

if you have to pay for a copy of religious text that religion is doing it wrong.

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It depends.

Are the proceeds of selling the book going towards the manufacturing costs e.g. print, ink, binding, paying artists to illustrate in certain areas, et cetera? Are the proceeds going to charity or things like upkeep for historical buildings? Or are they just going into someone's pocket as a profit?

Still, as said by others, you can get copies of a religion's holy text for free. Like food delivery (spend an hour making a pizza from scratch or just order one quickly for $10.00 and let others do the work?"), it's mostly about convenience ("Pay $5.00 for a quick way to get the book, or spend a few hours downloading and printing it and spending that much on printer ink and such?") and and "glittery extras" like decorated covers/bindings and such.

It's not all black and white, though I admit selling it for profit is distasteful.

In fairness, they do need to make a profit so they can keep making more books.

bintananth said:

if you have to pay for a copy of religious text that religion is doing it wrong.

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How do you suppose this religious text is made?

Someone is paying for it, somewhere along the line. Ink, paper, and operating a printing press costs money.

Rocinante said:

How do you suppose this religious text is made?

Someone is paying for it, somewhere along the line. Ink, paper, and operating a printing press costs money.

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to take the most charitable interpretation of his position I believe he is saying trying to make a profit off of selling the bible is wrong. that it seems to him something like masking greed and a desire to profit off of zealous and easily duped masses in a religious garb and pretense of holiness. there are ways of getting free copies of the bible though. audio versions in most every language. written copies too so long as you have access to a computer or smartphone. if you got access to a printer you could print off the whole thing yourself. there are the afore mentioned charitable organizations that provide them for free. and if you want a nice one with a hardcover or something made to last you can buy one.

if you look at his past posts you know he doen't like Trump. views him as a NYC business man slimy, unpleasant, and a con artist. ergo Trump puting his weight behind a bible made by a country music star to have the documents of America's founding added on? It sounds to him like one of those daily wire ads that come up every 10 minutes in their show. alternately


this family guy joke but imagine trump selling a bible instead of taffy.

Blasterbot said:

if you look at his past posts you know he doen't like Trump. views him as a NYC business man slimy, unpleasant, and a con artist.

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I mean Trump absolutely is those things and possesses the political tact of a drunken bull elephant in a china shop, but he’s still the better choice for America right now.

Bigking321 said:

I'm never going to complain about the Bible being promoted.

Needs to happen far more often.

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No, but having US documents in there speaks of an over abundance of Pride…

I'm not religious but I can actually understand the problem people have with the US documents in there. Seems kinda tacky. Perhaps in bad taste.