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Well,i thought that rule 37/or 34/ apply only to anime,not cartoons....
At least on Rule 34 it was.
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I agree with some of this, not all as I don't fall under the camp of throwing out the whole overarching plot beyond Beacon, especially cornering the Gods, Ozma, Salem or the Relics and I find it unlikely any future adaption would ditch them, nor do I fall into the category of staying at Beacon forever in the series.
Perhaps it should be two series? Kinda like Naruto and Naruto Shippuden? Have the first series be a much longer version of Volume 1-3 up until graduation with less seriousness before graduating into a darker and grittier, second series where things focus on different plot threads?
Although I will say that I agree wholly with your opinion about Teams and their dynamics, I would also add that the fighting system in the series needs an overhaul, literally characters are at the mercy of their aura breaking and yet we the audience have no way to properly gauge that so it becomes a writer tool where they can arbitrarily decide who wins.
Jaune we are told has a lot of aura but how much is alot? The Maidens are stronger than Aura users but by how much on average? Qrow sent Cinder, Mercury and Emerald running when she had just stolen half of the maidens' powers and yet she beats the ever-loving tar out of Ozpin alone? We have aura counters in Beacon but for some reason they are never employed hardly why don't aura users have a digital wristwatch which measures it for easy convince during a fight? What limits are semblances bound by?
It all just begs explanation!
Blasterbot
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I don't think you need to throw it all out. I do think they added too much to it too quickly. gathering the relics should have been a seperate arc from the maidens. Season 4 sould have been about the fallout of the fall of beacon piecing the teams back together and Ruby's silver eyes then the next season or 2 could focus on the maidens keeping Cinder as the primary antagonist. and once you've got that if not settled than tidied up you could introduce the relics and the gods and get a season or 2 out of that before ending on dealing with Salem as the finale.
figuring out how to thread in white fang into that narrative is it's own issue. they kinda shot themselves in the foot with how they portrayed them and rascism in the series. if you go by what they showed it wasn't bad enough to justify terrorism when you have an existential threat in the form of the grimm. especially once they got their own kingdom. Like they wanted to imply the racism was really bad, but they kept backing out to avoid backlash because actually showing it would cause their fans to go crazy.
Jaune could also use some tweaking in my mind. he doesn't need to be turned into a bad ass. I would want him to have put in some effort to becoming a huntsman on his own without his family supporting him. like sure he doesn't have aura and he wasn't trained to fight. show that he was smart and gets some good grades when it comes to the theory side of things and have him work out a lot so even if he isn't trained he is actually rather strong and tough even before aura. then you can say part of having a lot of aura is tied to fitness and mental or spiritual strength. meaning things got a little bit of nebulousness but if someone puts in the time to train they always got an edge.
Jaune then becomes rather than the dumb guy who needs everything explained to him someone who can explain things to Ruby who skipped several grades, Pyrrha who was focused on tournaments and fighting humans not grimm, and Ren and Nora two orphans with a spotty school record who tested in based on their combat scores and need as much help on theory as he does from his team on the practical.
figuring out how to thread in white fang into that narrative is it's own issue. they kinda shot themselves in the foot with how they portrayed them and rascism in the series. if you go by what they showed it wasn't bad enough to justify terrorism when you have an existential threat in the form of the grimm. especially once they got their own kingdom. Like they wanted to imply the racism was really bad, but they kept backing out to avoid backlash because actually showing it would cause their fans to go crazy.
Jaune could also use some tweaking in my mind. he doesn't need to be turned into a bad ass. I would want him to have put in some effort to becoming a huntsman on his own without his family supporting him. like sure he doesn't have aura and he wasn't trained to fight. show that he was smart and gets some good grades when it comes to the theory side of things and have him work out a lot so even if he isn't trained he is actually rather strong and tough even before aura. then you can say part of having a lot of aura is tied to fitness and mental or spiritual strength. meaning things got a little bit of nebulousness but if someone puts in the time to train they always got an edge.
Jaune then becomes rather than the dumb guy who needs everything explained to him someone who can explain things to Ruby who skipped several grades, Pyrrha who was focused on tournaments and fighting humans not grimm, and Ren and Nora two orphans with a spotty school record who tested in based on their combat scores and need as much help on theory as he does from his team on the practical.
Circle of Willis
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Fair enough. If we must have a darker & grittier RWBY with a grander & longer 'save the world from Salem' plot, splitting its reboot into two series makes the most sense. As is, RWBY V1-(early)3 and V3-9 already feel like two very different shows smushed together IMO, with the last episodes of 3 up to V5 serving as a sort of transitory bridge between them.
Fleshing out consistent rules for the fighting system is another big must, yeah. This is another reason why I favor the school setting, it's the perfect environment to do that while the stakes are still low. Like, for crying out loud, Glynda Goodwitch is literally their combat instructor. Her occupation dictates that she can, and should, be the one explaining & demonstrating the rules of how combat in Remnant works on-screen as part of everyone's training. Pyrrha, the upperclassmen et al. can fill in some details from time to time, but by and large I expect the teachers to actually get to teach, otherwise what's the point of even having them around?
The same is true of the worldbuilding in general. There should be no need to explain major things like the history of the four kingdoms, the Great War or the Faunus revolution through the World of Remnant side-series (that should instead be reserved for more obscure topics) when the basics of worldbuilding could have been done in-universe through Oobleck in his capacity as Beacon's history teacher. If Ruby and/or Yang aren't interested in that kind of thing and like to space out in Oobleck's classes, that's where Weiss and Blake (as the more intellectually inclined members of the team) can come in to help fill in the blanks, similar to Pyrrha for Jaune on combat training.
Hell, you could parlay their study sessions for history exams into another opportunity for inter-character conflict & development with trivial effort! Imagine Weiss and Blake getting into an argument over the history of the Faunus revolution because the latter thinks the version taught by Oobleck & in their textbook is too biased against the Faunus or something along those lines, and the two competing to research the 'real' history which then proves, some episodes later, that the whole thing was more complex than any textbook can hope to convey with neither the humans (as Weiss thinks) nor the Faunus (as Blake thinks) being innocent angels in that conflict - and as was the case with just about every colonial & racial conflict in history. There, a neat way to tie character development and worldbuilding together in a plot-relevant way through a single five-minute (on screen) history class & argument over the table, thought up in about five seconds! Missed potential indeed...
Over the years I've heard from other RWBY fans/critics that the White Fang should either have been a more fleshed out racial revolutionary group with human atrocities shown to justify their existence & violent means, or the whole racial politics angle should have been dropped altogether and the WF turned into just a Faunus-only gang/mafia that provides enemy variety to the fodder Team RWBY fights early on (in which case Adam being nothing more than Blake's cringe incel ex can actually make sense). I agree with that viewpoint and would add that the way RWBY handled them gave us the worst of both worlds.
I do think the former is a much more interesting way to approach the WF ('enemy variety' is a pretty lame reason to have them around and makes them interchangeable with additional Grimm varieties). But yes, it would certainly require a lot more work than RT did/was willing to put in, and a determination to tell the 'depiction = endorsement!' SJW types to fuck off when they inevitably complain. At minimum, besides showing more anti-Faunus racism I think one would either have to write Menagerie out of the story entirely or depict it as a Haiti-esque shithole, since otherwise as you say it looks like a pretty pleasant kingdom that the world's Faunus should have no problem with moving to (thereby meaning there's no need for the WF to exist in their old countries). The Faunus War as depicted in World of Remnant doesn't make a whole lot of sense either: apparently it started because humans wanted to shove all the Faunus into Menagerie, ended in the Faunus winning and getting to both keep Menagerie around as a Faunus-only paradise and stay in their own home kingdoms if they so choose, but despite the totality of this military victory (and it was explicitly a victory they won through force of arms at the Battle of Fort Castle & others, not one achieved through politicking & compromise) they're still discriminated against to the point where the WF still exists in said home kingdoms? Huh??
I think a middle course can even be charted between these possibilities: perhaps Menagerie was founded by well-meaning Faunus leaders with human financial sponsors to get a free Faunus homeland going, but a lack of resources on the island and lingering racial animosities (in other words, the usual ingredients for racial conflict) resulted in a breakdown of relations with the human kingdoms. Fear that the increasingly hostile Faunus will attack them or enter into an alliance with the Grimm (to whom they can be likened due to their animalistic features - there, in-universe justification for a deep racist dislike & suspicion of the Faunus!), perhaps fanned by the likes of a young Jacques Schnee, results in the human kingdoms crushing Menagerie in a pre-emptive invasion and the deportation of most of the population back to said kingdoms. There they'd face intrusive surveillance and genuine institutional discrimination at best, being seen as ticking time bombs who are innately incapable of loyalty to human-led governments despite depending on said governments for welfare & shelter - if not outright lesser beings worthy only of slavery. And so on, how's that for a backstory I thought up in the past ten minutes or so?
(I'd also like to express my honest opinion that Blake's parents should absolutely remain dead and her origin ought to have remained what it looked like early on: that she was an orphan involved in Faunus rights protests from an early age and who fell in with the WF while still quite young. The reveal that she was actually the princess of a tropical paradise with two loving, well-off parents was IMO as destructive to her characterization as Bumblebee, it turned her from a gritty resistance fighter & the member of Team RWBY with the most experience on the streets into the equivalent of a radical college activist who becomes a commie despite coming from a rich and stable family, if not an ISIS bride based on the nature of her former relationship with Adam.)
Furthermore, I think CRWBY were on to something with the hints that the WF were not a unified organization and that Adam's way of thinking was not universal across the ranks, but they never bothered to do anything significant with that when they absolutely should have. The real Black Panthers on whom the WF were supposedly based most certainly had inter-factional disputes & differences after all, Eldridge Cleaver/Huey Newton/Fred Hampton/Elaine Brown did not constitute a black hivemind, and you have disputes between black moderates, nationalists, separatists and supremacists raging from the civil rights movement to this day. Aside from the most moderate faction that just wants equal civil rights & an end to segregation within human society (exemplified by Ghira and to be revived by Blake), additional cliques within the WF's ranks can range from:
- Those who will insist on quotas for leadership positions and/or might be fine with continuing segregation as long as they get to lead & represent the Faunus exclaves at the table with humans;
- Faunus separatists who want to revive Menagerie as a Faunus-only country;
- The deconstructionists who think that the existing human-led order is fundamentally unjust and needs to be destroyed to pave the way for real equality (this is where I'd put Adam personally);
- And outright Faunus supremacists who just want to invert the racial hierarchy/kill all humans (another good place to put Adam).
Having Pyrrha be too focused on tournaments and fighting human opponents over Grimm would also be a pretty good way to give her a realistic weakness in combat while still preserving her status as the top student in Beacon. Highlights the difference between a tourney knight and an actual soldier basically, and also creates a plausible off-ramp for her character if it's deemed necessary that she should die in a Fall of Beacon scenario. (As is, her death at the end of V3 doesn't really make much sense IMO, she basically commits suicide by going into a fight she already knows she can't win for whatever reason. Her insisting on taking on Cinder because she still actually expects to win would have made vastly more sense and been in-line with her characterization as Beacon's fighting ace up to that point.)
Blasterbot
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Ruby needed to have her interest in weapons and such actually utilized in the series. she made nothing other than her own scythe. no upgrades to anyone else's gear was made by her. as is it is just a bit of quirky backstory for her and an excuse for her to act adorable and dorky in the early seasons and promptly forgotten about. her age and grade skipping also didn't really matter much. she should have holes in her knowledge from that. she is very good at what she hyper focused at and that compensates for her, but those holes in base knowledge should be shown more.
Yang was a hot mess in terms of characterization. like they couldn't really decide if they wanted to lean on the party girl, lean on the adrenaline junkie battle maniac, lean on her basically being a mom to Ruby when they were growing up and both Dad and Qrow were depressed. then you get the abandonment issues and bumblebee. If you are gonna give her those issues actually make them matter when one of her teammates abandons her and the rest of the team. actually show how that causes friction and feelings of betrayal that have to be worked through. I'd also say that was basically what killed bumblebee for me. they did not have a lot of chemistry to work with other than being two hot teens of similar age. they had like one conversation alone in school about Yang's mommy issues and how Blake needs to chill. bowing to the fan pressure there and ditching Sun was a mistake.
Blake is the worst catgirl. just awful. I agree her being the princess of a tropical paradise basically ruined her backstory. she comes across as a massive hypocrite based on how she treats Weiss. and how the fuck did nobody recognize her? she didn't change her name. Her mom and dad are leaders of a kingdom. she has a lot of resemblance to her mom. and nobody recognizes her. She is a literal princess who ran away to join a terrorist organization that has been attacking a foreign kingdom killing it's citizens and damaging a key industry that provides not just critical energy but also is important for weapons. which you know unending horde of grimm at the gates that will murder everyone. and there were no repercussions. the closest we get is Adam being an incel ex boyfriend who can't get over her and Weiss saying she had close family friends and family who she never saw again because of the WF.
Weiss is probably the best of the team if only because the bar is low. still not great but the rich girl Tsundere tropes get hit enough that my brain papers over most of the issues at least. most of her flaws are a product of her rather sheltered upbringing. the rest are because her family is quite shit. to the point where her sister ran off to join the military. my only real complaint would be how there is kind of a disconnect between her goals of be a huntress and Make Schnee Corp Great Again. fleshing out how those connect beyond a hearts and minds campaign would be good.
Another issue would be that while the partner pairs have relationships the cross partner pairs kinda don't really. Ruby and Blake are teammates sure and friends I guess. actually fleshing out how these two awkward nerds click would be nice. Weiss and Yang also don't really have much going on either. like they are teammates and friends and we got the planning a party thing back in beacon.
JNPR was a bit better in some ways and a bit flatter in others. Ren and Nora are ride or die for each other and want to protect others from grimm. Jaune wants to be a hero but wasn't trained and so is incompetent allowing everyone to give easy audience explanations to him about the most basic things. Pyrrha was death flags for days. the only way they could have done more for that was to have her and Jaune planning to get married in a week when Pyrrha retires from being a cop and gets her pension.
Main change I would want would be to spread around the explanations so that one character doesn't look dumb. Referencing my above post if Jaune knows theory and academics but hasn't been trained that gives everyone a chance to shine a bit. Pyrrha for building up a training regime and a fighting style. particularly against people and in tournaments. Ren and Nora for wilderness survival, street savoir-faire, and practical anti-grimm experience. Jaune for academics that the others would lack, theory, and tactics. gives everyone more of a chance to shine at some points but still preserves their original talents.
Yang was a hot mess in terms of characterization. like they couldn't really decide if they wanted to lean on the party girl, lean on the adrenaline junkie battle maniac, lean on her basically being a mom to Ruby when they were growing up and both Dad and Qrow were depressed. then you get the abandonment issues and bumblebee. If you are gonna give her those issues actually make them matter when one of her teammates abandons her and the rest of the team. actually show how that causes friction and feelings of betrayal that have to be worked through. I'd also say that was basically what killed bumblebee for me. they did not have a lot of chemistry to work with other than being two hot teens of similar age. they had like one conversation alone in school about Yang's mommy issues and how Blake needs to chill. bowing to the fan pressure there and ditching Sun was a mistake.
Blake is the worst catgirl. just awful. I agree her being the princess of a tropical paradise basically ruined her backstory. she comes across as a massive hypocrite based on how she treats Weiss. and how the fuck did nobody recognize her? she didn't change her name. Her mom and dad are leaders of a kingdom. she has a lot of resemblance to her mom. and nobody recognizes her. She is a literal princess who ran away to join a terrorist organization that has been attacking a foreign kingdom killing it's citizens and damaging a key industry that provides not just critical energy but also is important for weapons. which you know unending horde of grimm at the gates that will murder everyone. and there were no repercussions. the closest we get is Adam being an incel ex boyfriend who can't get over her and Weiss saying she had close family friends and family who she never saw again because of the WF.
Weiss is probably the best of the team if only because the bar is low. still not great but the rich girl Tsundere tropes get hit enough that my brain papers over most of the issues at least. most of her flaws are a product of her rather sheltered upbringing. the rest are because her family is quite shit. to the point where her sister ran off to join the military. my only real complaint would be how there is kind of a disconnect between her goals of be a huntress and Make Schnee Corp Great Again. fleshing out how those connect beyond a hearts and minds campaign would be good.
Another issue would be that while the partner pairs have relationships the cross partner pairs kinda don't really. Ruby and Blake are teammates sure and friends I guess. actually fleshing out how these two awkward nerds click would be nice. Weiss and Yang also don't really have much going on either. like they are teammates and friends and we got the planning a party thing back in beacon.
JNPR was a bit better in some ways and a bit flatter in others. Ren and Nora are ride or die for each other and want to protect others from grimm. Jaune wants to be a hero but wasn't trained and so is incompetent allowing everyone to give easy audience explanations to him about the most basic things. Pyrrha was death flags for days. the only way they could have done more for that was to have her and Jaune planning to get married in a week when Pyrrha retires from being a cop and gets her pension.
Main change I would want would be to spread around the explanations so that one character doesn't look dumb. Referencing my above post if Jaune knows theory and academics but hasn't been trained that gives everyone a chance to shine a bit. Pyrrha for building up a training regime and a fighting style. particularly against people and in tournaments. Ren and Nora for wilderness survival, street savoir-faire, and practical anti-grimm experience. Jaune for academics that the others would lack, theory, and tactics. gives everyone more of a chance to shine at some points but still preserves their original talents.
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DarthOne
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The problem with RWBY has always been that it had too many ‘main characters’ and not enough screen time. The show is called RWBY, ergo Team RWBY should be the major focus.
As much as people have issues with the world building of Harry Potter it did one thing absolutely right: it knew who its main characters were and gave them the focus they needed.
As well as too many characters overall. Which made some characters that needed more work into them flat and uninteresting. I can’t have been the only one who was disappointed by the antagonists. Save for Roman, who stole the spotlight thanks to his character.
As much as people have issues with the world building of Harry Potter it did one thing absolutely right: it knew who its main characters were and gave them the focus they needed.
As well as too many characters overall. Which made some characters that needed more work into them flat and uninteresting. I can’t have been the only one who was disappointed by the antagonists. Save for Roman, who stole the spotlight thanks to his character.
Circle of Willis
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Tbh there's actually a good chunk of characterization for Ruby early on that's just gone poof in the later seasons. Aside from her being a yuge weapons nerd, remember back when she loved milk & cookies? Or how, far from being a beatific saintly/messianic figure willing to bear the weight of the world on her shoulders until Volume 9, she could actually be a bit of a brat and was willing to sass right back at Weiss in the Emerald Forest? You wouldn't even have to devise new character traits for Ruby to make her interesting again, just bring back the ones which she used to have but which CRWBY dropped like hot potatoes by Volumes 2-3.
I've said a lot about Yang & Blake already and see no need to repeat it. Fundamentally, I remain firmly of the position that Bumblebee is a bad ship even in concept (not merely execution, I think it can be done but the effort and screentime needed to pull it off convincingly just wouldn't be worth it) and should be canned for the good of not only both characters but also every other character & plotpoint adjacent to BY. I will add though that I think Yang can pull off a combined characterization of 'party girl' + 'caring big sister to Ruby and RWB' + 'bundle of abandonment issues' and that such a combination is arguably the most compelling form her character can take, axing Bumblebee would free up a lot of screentime to get this done right.
Weiss I'd agree needs the least work done on her characterization out of all members of Team RWBY, she's mostly fine as is. I'd take a good deal longer to resolve her racism rather than have it be done & over with by the end of V1 but that's the only thing that really comes to mind. I think the Schnee family, but mostly Jacques due to the shadow he casts over her, is in far greater need of a fix instead: Jacques in particular doesn't make much sense as a character right now because, well, he isn't a character so much as he is a poorly built strawman of Trump and all the other sociopolitical stuff CRWBY doesn't like. A corrupt, cowardly capitalist CEO who leads an oppressive company, colludes with evil outsiders to steal an election, physically abuses his children (or Weiss at least) and isn't even a Schnee by blood but rather a wicked male who married into the family and hijacked the SDC from its true heiress, a woman. Given how much of a wimp and an easily sidelined failure he turned out to be, it's impossible to take him seriously as a threat to or even an authority figure over Weiss; and frankly, if he's as much of a total loser with no redeeming virtues whatsoever as CRWBY wanted us to believe, then it boggles the mind how he ever managed to attract Willow in the first place much less be allowed to marry her, sire not one but three kids with her and subvert her family's legacy.
As far as re-characterizing Jacques into an actually interesting antagonist, I think the 2015 manga by Shirow Miwa has got it right. Making him into the actual Schnee(-by-blood) patriarch and a stern figure who expects & demands the best from his children, but still loves them somewhere very deep down, is a much more compelling and actually human take on his character than the lame Trump strawman we got. I don't think many, if any, fans expected him to not even be an actual Schnee back in 2015 either anyway. He's supposedly known & worked with Ironwood for many years, even before the latter took on Winter as his right-hand woman - why not just make them former teammates from their Atlas Academy/Hunter days? Even if Jacques still isn't much of a fighter he could've been their old team's tactician like Jaune is for JNPR, which would both tie in effectively with his intended role as a more cerebral antagonist and create a contrast with one of Weiss' potential love interests. Humanizing Jacques to a degree will also be important to keeping the Faunus conflict morally grey and not just one-sidedly slanted in favor of the WF as well, IMO. As far as Atlesian/Remnant politics go, if the White Fang = Black Panthers, then to further the '60s analogies I'd consider Ironwood to be their William Westmoreland (in terms of his role as the top military leader, not in ability or Westy's lack thereof IRL) and Jacques to be, like, their H. L. Hunt basically.
Back to Team RWBY, I agree that the tendency to split the team into two pairs that interact with one another but not so much (indeed, hardly ever even) with the others is not ideal and should be fixed. Even before Bumblebee started to solidify, Ruby usually hangs with & talks to Weiss and Yang with Blake IIRC. (Though interestingly, Yang and Weiss did interact and even get emotional often enough that the Freezerburn ship arguably has more legs/chemistry to stand on than Bumblebee. Meanwhile I think Ruby & Blake have had a grand total of two significant, meaningful one-on-one conversations across all nine volumes - that is absolutely no bueno.) Taking out Bumblebee does go some way to mitigate this problem, since it frees up formerly Bee-exclusive time for more Weiss/Yang and Ruby/Blake interactions. Isn't it amazing how many problems can be solved, even partially, if you just take that one ship out of contention?
True, RWBY does suffer from severe character bloat. You could easily consolidate many of the cast members whose roles are redundant or who don't have much to contribute to trim the fat & still not really lose anything in the long run. As an example from the more recent volumes, the Ace Ops could've just been folded into Team FNKI, who were established much earlier with very unique designs and made a strong impression on both Team RWBY (well, Yang & Weiss at least) and the fans out of universe. Literally just have Ironwood go 'man I'd like my own equivalent to Team RWBY' and enlist them as his private elite squad comprised of Atlas' most promising young talents, under the supervision and training of Winter Schnee.
As far as side characters go, I'd stick to the following rule to keep it simple - ask these three questions: Are they there to challenge Team RWBY? Are they there to support RWBY in any particularly unique way that nobody else can do? Are they there to convey exposition? If the answer to all three of these questions is 'no', then they don't really have any business being around in the story and eating up screentime which could've gone to a more deserving character, do they.
Re: worldbuilding, I think CRWBY's main failings there were inconsistency and focusing on the wrong things. Establishing and consistently sticking around to rules around Aura & Semblances, clearly delineating the difference between Semblances & Magic, clearly defining the extent of Maiden powers, etc. is all pretty important IMO, I mean it's supposed to be a fighting show first & foremost, if the rules governing combat are arbitrary or unclear then there's clearly a huge problem. When it comes to background worldbuilding I think most focus should be placed squarely on those topics which are directly tied to the conflicts central for our heroes.
The Great War for instance is pretty irrelevant and the sort of thing you can safely confine to a World of Remnant 2.0 side-series, but I've put the most thought into rewriting the SDC/Faunus business these past couple of posts because of how central those are to Weiss/Blake's character arcs & motivations (indeed, you could probably weld their arcs and the SDC/WF conflict together at some point). That would be an example of something that merits fairly extensive exploration through Oobleck's history classes, expository conversations and info-hunts on-screen, etc. The same would be true of Silver Eyes and its relation to the Grimm for Ruby, for example, if the story still leaves Beacon behind and introduces Salem at some point. (I do still believe the Gods & Relics business to be a mistake and unnecessary plot bloat; Salem should IMO be re-characterized as the origin & 'queen' of the Grimm and the Maidens, the ones whose collective power is sufficient to defeat/suppress her, with each of the RWBY girls corresponding to & eventually becoming one Maiden apiece so that together they can do just that at the end of the post-Beacon storyline.)
Doomsought
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All of that is still nothing compared to how they did General Ironwood dirty. Initially he was a good guy, if a blunt instrument. He even arranged Yang to get a prosthetic arm after the battle of beacon.
DarthOne
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Neo-Liberalism is a terrible brain-rot.
Circle of Willis
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Yeah that's definitely some bullshit too. One would think Yang should actually be the member of Team RWBY most opposed to undermining & backstabbing Ironwood out of sheer gratitude after he gifted her that arm and that they could've bonded (or at least come to sympathize a lot with one another) over having both had to get cybernetic prosthetics but nope, she's one of those most actively involved in screwing him over. Hell, I can't even remember if they ever talked about the arm at all. Truly awful and one of the top moments that make Team RWBY look bad that I can think of, definitely should never happen in any reboot if one comes to pass.
Terthna
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Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure Rooster Teeth never realized that they were writing the main characters to be bad people; and that likely is indicative of the sort of people they are.
f1onagher
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I liked the Beowolves and Nucklevee, but otherwise I agree, they were a bit too generic.
DarthOne
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You’re not the first person I’ve heard make that observation. I didn’t disagree with it then or now. Though considering the majority of Rooserteeth’s leadership were/are woke cultists, it’s not surprising.
Not sure if I agree with that.
For me, the biggest problem with the Grimm is how little of a threat they were in general to the characters, even from the start.
I suggested years ago that the best way to fix this was to lean into the different ‘ranks’ of Grimm.
So, for example, Grimm without the bone armor (see the Red trailer) are newborns and aren’t much of a threat to Our Heroes even at the start. At least not one-on-one or one-verse-three. Though quantity has a quality of its own of course.
Then you get the ones with bone armor, who are a step up. Then you get those with more armor, who are older, smarter and bigger and a step up from them, then the Ancient Grimm who are bigger and nastier than them.
Though all this really comes down to the sort of story one wants to tell with RWBY. Are the Grimm important to the story or are they just cannon fodder pawns?
Honestly, I kind of feel that the whole ‘Ancient Evil’ plot with Salem was a mistake. One because of how generic it was and how it was too much of a departure from what we got in the early seasons and how the world was introduced to us.
Just to be clear, this isn’t to say that having human or Faunus enemies is a bad idea. I’d even argue that it’s necessary to keep things fresh and to mix up the roster of enemies. Plus, it makes sense that not everyone would be on the same side.
It’s just that once it got beyond that, with Maidens and Relics and Gods and Salem it just became a convoluted mess. With too many of plot threads and too many different ‘magic’ systems. The later of which never were distinctive enough to matter and weren’t explained enough to make them that different from Dust and Semblances.
In short, we don’t need more then just Dust and Semblances. In fact one could probably have cut out Semblances or Dust and I feel the story could have been better for it.
Never mind that Salem and her followers as well as Ozpin and his as ancient conspiracies never really worked. The world building around them was a bit nonsensical.
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As someone who basically had the show help me become who I am. Most of them became bad people over the entire series. With jaune being the most normal of the cast. Yang and Blake being....the worst in character development next to Ruby herself.
Can we get a spin off slice of life with just Jaune growing up as a kid? Him and his...7 sisters?
Can we get a spin off slice of life with just Jaune growing up as a kid? Him and his...7 sisters?
Blasterbot
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I would have loved if instead of her leading the grimm we just found out as they get older they just keep getting bigger, stronger, and smarter. like imagine just how fucking scary a kaiju grimm would be if it genuinely was smarter than most people after a few hundred years. so a significant potion of a hunters job would be killing them before they get that big and you would need to mobilize a stupid amount of firepower to deal with one if it showed up.
DarthOne
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Agreed.