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Blasterbot
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easy to deal with that is. throw them at a cool older brother figure and sneak off for a drink or two. Yoda has that figured out already.
Jaenera Targaryen
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Why not just make a synthetic lightsaber crystal? It shouldn't take that long, a couple of days at most.
Morphic Tide
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Got purged from Disney canon, it's all Kyber now.
Jaenera Targaryen
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No such thing as a kyber crystal.
Morphic Tide
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By Wookiepedia, lightsabers were also all Kyber crystals in the old EU material, but the term then was denoting the application and possibly some Force-related treatment process rather than the starting material.
Bigking321
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I just distinctly remember a bit where they used random gemstones they had laying around. And I think Luke created his green lightsaber gem artificially?
Disney canon is like shit from a guy who eats nuts: In a turd, you'll find little bits of nuts. In this case, those nut fragments are diamonds. These diamonds are things like the Vader comics and all the actually good parts Disney introduced/created. But the shit still outweighs those little diamonds.
The biggest turds are the sequel movies in their entirety.
The old EU had anything and everything being used as focusing crystals, from pearls (e.g. Krayt Dragon pearls) to biological matter from living creatures e.g. bones. Some crystals weren't "kyber" but were made from other minerals/processes, with the Sith crystals being red due to being artificial (though some natural ones as hues of red existed).
Even if they try the whole "kyber is a classification not an actual material" angle, it still fails.
The biggest turds are the sequel movies in their entirety.
That's wrong and shouldn't be on Wookiepedia.
The old EU had anything and everything being used as focusing crystals, from pearls (e.g. Krayt Dragon pearls) to biological matter from living creatures e.g. bones. Some crystals weren't "kyber" but were made from other minerals/processes, with the Sith crystals being red due to being artificial (though some natural ones as hues of red existed).
Even if they try the whole "kyber is a classification not an actual material" angle, it still fails.
Jaenera Targaryen
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He did, yes. There was a manual for it in Obi-Wan's hut, and the actual tools and materials to make one are relatively easy to find. Basically, some basic chemical compounds plus a laboratory-grade crystal synthesizer, with the Force-sensitive meditating on the process to attune and energize the crystal with the Force.
Jedi generally frowned on using synthetic crystals since it was a form of alchemy, which was considered by Jedi orthodoxy to be heretical. However, in times of war and other crises, the restriction was lifted/looked the other away, out of necessity. In fact, during the height of the Old Sith Wars around 3000 BBY, the Jedi Order made heavy use of synthetic crystals.
In a way, it tells how ossified the Post-Ruusan Order was, when despite the Clone Wars raging around them, they still insisted on orthodox principles and traditions i.e. insisting Jedi go all the way to Ilum to find crystals for replacement lightsabers instead of just making new crystals. For initiates and apprentices, that's acceptable, since it's part of their trials. But for actual knights and masters who need replacement weapons ASAP?
Yeah, the Coruscant Jedi Order was a complete mess. They adhered to tradition to the point of self-harm and, ultimately, it was one of the core reasons why they were wiped out by Palpatine and the Rule of Two Sith.
If you went against tradition, you were basically but "unofficially" looked on as what amounts to be a heretic, unless you had great pull (such as with Windu, Qui Gon, et cetera) in the Order.
Luke's reborn Jedi Order had a few flaws, but compared to the preceding Order, it was far better in the long run since he recognized these problems at the get-go.
Jaenera Targaryen
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Luke's Jedi Order was unironically and unintentionally a throwback to the pre-Ruusan Jedi Order. Unsurprising, considering Luke took a lot of influence from holocrons dating back to the Great Sith War era. Hence the lack of Service Corps or other councils beyond the High Council - or simply the Jedi Council, since it was the only one - itself in the New Jedi Order. Less bureaucracy, less rigidity, more focus on communing with and developing a personal understanding of the Force as opposed to rote memorization and repetition of dusty platitudes by what were essentially wizards on ivory towers.
Sad thing is, Luke's Masters, Obi-Wan and Yoda, would have approved, after the lessons they bitterly learned firsthand during the Great Jedi Purge. That, and Luke ultimately did prove them wrong, as he did manage to bring Anakin back from Vader's husk.
Lord Sovereign
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The Sith were defeated with what they couldn’t understand: true and selfless love. That’s both sickeningly sweet and quite profound in some ways.
That extends to Vader himself, by the way. If I remember correctly (according to George Lucas himself) the reason he could take Palpatine by such fatal surprise was because there wasn’t any anger or selfish desire involved. He just wanted to stop his son being hurt, and if it required his life to do so then so be it (the Devil figure of Star Wars was ultimately destroyed by a father’s love).
Anakin’s attachment saved him, his child, and the Galaxy in that moment. A bit of a repudiation of the Post Rusaan Order in and of itself.
Scooby Doo
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So what about Rey's Jedi Order?
Lord Sovereign
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They also might have warned Luke about setting up his Academy on Yavin 4.
No one seemed to remember who or what Exar Kun or where is places of influence were, till it was far, far too late for a lot of people.
Jaenera Targaryen
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Yoda probably knew about Yavin 4, but Obi-Wan might not have, considering the Post-Ruusan Jedi Order's enforced ignorance about the Sith beyond vague warnings and sanitized legends about the past. Hell, now that I think about it, Yoda might not have known either, since he was caught by surprise by the existence of Force Ghosts during the Clone Wars, something that was known to exist to the pre-Ruusan Order, although the how one could become a Force Ghost was always a mystery.
That, or the Order might have assumed Exar Kun had been neutralized, considering Grand Master Shan's forces were able to operate on Yavin 4 without issue. They may even have thought that Darth Vitiate had been the one to do so, if only to secure his assets on the moon.
But, a simpler, and more likely reason considering the state of the Post-Ruusan Order would be that they just didn't know. So much for "there is no ignorance, there is knowledge".
Yavin, ironically, was pretty much one of those locations of history that had its past basically forgotten, and it didn't have a stigma attached to it unlike worlds like Dromund Kaas (forgotten past but they knew it was a bad place for some reason *cough* being the capital of a Resurgent Sith Empire *cough*).
They knew there were ruins on the moon's surface, but they forgot who built them.
Not exactly a good idea, given that they were Sith temples and tombs.
Yeah, the Jedi (and that includes the Green Jedi and other splinter sects) were very ignorant of history because of their rules, regulations, and paranoid fears about repeating history despite learning history being a key to avoid repeating it.
Jaenera Targaryen
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Actually, Dromund Kaas was known to the Post-Ruusan Jedi Order, and the Jedi Shadows regularly checked the system. So much so, that IIRC, one of Dooku's first acts as Darth Tyranus was to delete Dromund Kaas' location from the Temple archives, along with those of Kamino. Likewise for Ziost's coordinates. Strangely enough, not Korriban's...unless Yoda used Force Navigation to reach the planet.
They knew there were ruins on the moon's surface, but they forgot who built them.
Not exactly a good idea, given that they were Sith temples and tombs.
They apparently pushed credit completely to the Massassi, who were treated as Yavin natives enslaved first by Naga Sadow and then by Exar Kun. Ignoring the fact that Massassi were Sith in the purest form of the term, but I imagine this helped the lie by putting a grain of truth at its core.
Yeah, the Jedi (and that includes the Green Jedi and other splinter sects) were very ignorant of history because of their rules, regulations, and paranoid fears about repeating history despite learning history being a key to avoid repeating it.
Not so sure about the Green Jedi, but remember that the Green Jedi were essentially the last holdout of the Pre-Ruusan Order by the time of the Clone Wars. They were regarded as borderline heretical by the mainstream Order, but the Green Jedi's ties to the Corellian government, and that same government's fiercely-independent streak and protectiveness of unique features of Corellian society and culture, meant they could do little about it. Corellia's senators would just raise a fuss in the Senate and drown the mainstream Order in red tape.
Basically, too much trouble, and since the Green Jedi tended to keep to themselves on Corellia or operated in tandem with Corellian agencies, they were left alone by the mainstream Order.
For their part, the Green Jedi historically regarded themselves as Corellian first, and Jedi second, and so have always been distant with the mainstream Order. That said, the post-Ruusan Order's downplaying of the Army of Light's heroism and sacrifices (and outright villification of the Jedi Lords) earned them the contempt of the Green Jedi. Unsurprisingly, considering Corellian cultural trends, the Green Jedi had a great deal of respect for the Jedi Lords, and their legacy being cast aside was something that deeply offended the Green Jedi.
So, even if the Green Jedi knew, they might not have been inclined to share with - from their perspective - those sanctimonious assholes from Coruscant.
Lord Sovereign
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So in essence, the Green Jedi very much carried on the Jedi Order's historic role in the Old Republic, except downsized to Corellia?
And having read into it, it tickles me pink that this last remnant of the pre-Ruusan Jedi Order ultimately (as an institution, though the Empire devastated their numbers) outlived the Post-Ruusan Order.
Scooby Doo
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Guy's Rey's Jedi Order is gonna be awesome totally.
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