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Terthna

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They should just have listened to Lucas, because he evidently understood the story better than they did.
And yet they didn't because they didn't want to pay him any royalties. Congratulations morons; in trying to save a couple million bucks, you destroyed a multi-billion dollar franchise. I swear; the evidence that most businessmen are just fools who got lucky keeps piling up. These people have no idea how to actually turn a profit.
 

BlackDragon98

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And yet they didn't because they didn't want to pay him any royalties. Congratulations morons; in trying to save a couple million bucks, you destroyed a multi-billion dollar franchise. I swear; the evidence that most businessmen are just fools who got lucky keeps piling up. These people have no idea how to actually turn a profit.
Problem is, they're still doing fine financially.
It's the old fankorps they've driven away.
Disney Star Wars has plenty of woke idiots orbiting it like a buncha simps.
 

Terthna

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Problem is, they're still doing fine financially.
It's the old fankorps they've driven away.
Disney Star Wars has plenty of woke idiots orbiting it like a buncha simps.
The Force Awakens made over two billion dollars; The Rise of Skywalker made about half that. I mean sure, a billion isn't anything to sneeze at; but it's still a significant drop, and at least half of it was eaten up by the filming and marketing budget. Also Disney isn't doing as well financially as a whole as you might think; they've been bleeding money and laying people off like crazy ever since the pandemic hit. They're just projecting the image of a successful corporation to keep the investors from panicking.
 

Jaenera Targaryen

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Damn, I wish I could have seen that!

I mean, of all the places they had to do it, it had to be Dromund Kaas (DK) chat. I mean, it's bad enough to do it on SWTOR, which is overall a bastion of the old fandom, but DK chat? DK chat is infamous among Imperial players for being just batshit insane and where users basically write anything short of getting booted off the game. I remember how at one point we were discussing how one user was trying to get into their date's pants while watching a movie...

...yeah, DK chat is insane, which makes me wonder how that idiot ever thought that 'going woke' in the most uninhibited chatroom on the Imperial side of the galaxy was a good idea.
 

DarthOne

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I mean, of all the places they had to do it, it had to be Dromund Kaas (DK) chat. I mean, it's bad enough to do it on SWTOR, which is overall a bastion of the old fandom, but DK chat? DK chat is infamous among Imperial players for being just batshit insane and where users basically write anything short of getting booted off the game. I remember how at one point we were discussing how one user was trying to get into their date's pants while watching a movie...

...yeah, DK chat is insane, which makes me wonder how that idiot ever thought that 'going woke' in the most uninhibited chatroom on the Imperial side of the galaxy was a good idea.
For some reason, that sentence just amused me greatly.
 

Jaenera Targaryen

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Note to self: Do not push woke idiocy around a bunch of Sith Lords and Ladies.

Well, duh. Speaking in-character, Sith are believers in a hierarchal society where power (in any of its various forms) trumps all and only the truly strong should prosper much less lead.

"Charity is for the weak and the lazy. The Sith Empire is neither."

- Darth Decimus, Dark Lord of the Sith, and Master of the Sphere of Military Strategy

That said, not everyone on Dromund Kaas is a Sith. There are plenty of Mandos there (as in the real Mandos, not Dar'manda like Duchess Satine and her ilk from The Clone Wars), seeing as they have a whole section of the Imperial Citadel all to themselves as their embassy. There's also Imperial Intelligence, who also have their own section of the Imperial Citadel. Lots of Chiss (re: 'Thrawns') in Imperial Intelligence, for some reason.

Speaking out of character, well, it's not really a surprise a lot of players like to RP as a Chiss Imperial Agent. Considering how Grand Admiral Thrawn gave his people a reputation for being cultured, urbane, and very polite Magnificent Bastards, it'd be more surprising if no one wanted to play Sith!James Bond/Motoko Kusanagi as a Chiss. It especially helps when we all have sexy British accents :cool:

"Oh yes, it's good to be bad."

- Sir Ben Kingsley, Jaguar 'Good to be Bad' commercial
 

ShadowArxxy

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Comrade
as in the real Mandos, not Dar'manda like Duchess Satine and her ilk from The Clone Wars)

Duchess Satine is basically Mandalorian Gandhi, and I do not mean that in an at all positive manner. She follows Gandhi's downright insane actual philosophy as opposed to the pop culture perception of Gandhi as simply a pacifist, which is to say on the one hand pacifism to the point of literal suicide as a passive-aggressive form of political advocacy, and on the other hand hypocrisy in demanding that others use violence to protect the self-righteous pacifist.
 
I'd have washed my hands and told her to throw her people and herself at the barrels of her enemies. Maybe they will stop shooting once they have witnessed the "indomitable will of the pacifists" or some shite.

No, I really don't like pacifism, why'd you ask?

I think some true mandos would aid her from the shadows whether she wanted it or not as they would view her as the mando. Though they would inevitably mock and scorn her as Mandolore the Meek.

What I don't get is why no one just decided to challenge her to a duel/brawl. It took less than a couple of dozen pirates to wipe out Satines non existent security force. If pirates could do that, then a true mandolorian should have been able to do that.
 

AspblastUSA

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I think some true mandos would aid her from the shadows whether she wanted it or not as they would view her as the mando. Though they would inevitably mock and scorn her as Mandolore the Meek.

What I don't get is why no one just decided to challenge her to a duel/brawl. It took less than a couple of dozen pirates to wipe out Satines non existent security force. If pirates could do that, then a true mandolorian should have been able to do that.

They tried that back in the day when Satine was younger, but apparently either she had more of a spine back then or Mandalore was run by others because she would have been ~17. Made a big civil war of it that we know very little about, aside from that's when she and Obi-Wan had their big romantic adventure.
 

Husky_Khan

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Eh, as of the first movie of the sequel trilogy the First Order pretty much was your Imperial Remnant, and there was no indication that a separate Imperial Remnant existed. IIRC the lore after the first movie was that the First Order had been nominally at peace with the New Republic, what they were fighting was a Republic-backed quasi-military organization "The Resistance" that operated in First Order and unaligned space. When the First Order destroyed the Republic's core worlds that was a first strike on the Republic.

Then in movie 2 of course the First Order inexplicably controls the galaxy and has infinite ships for no clear reason, while the Republic no longer exists having been destroyed offscreen or in the opening crawl.

After The Force Awakens came out, there was blurbs from after the Battle of Jakku, and one of the first Disney Canon novels (which I haven't read btw) which implied there was a peace treaty between the Imperials and the Republic after that Battle so the idea that maybe the Empire was still around (especially with how the First Order seemed just different enough from the Empire) and that the First Order was some sort of splinter faction of the Empire that was at peace with the Republic for whatever reason seemed to make sense to me and more then a few other people. It obviously wasn't stated explicitly anywhere but I think a mixture of it seeming logical/reasonable and probably inertia from the Legends Canon.

The idea of their being an Imperial Remnant or Galactic Empire successor besides the First Order was of course killed off by all of that stupid Disney Canon EU stuff regarding Operation Cinder and all that nonsense of the Empire self immolating themselves for failing to prevent Palpatine getting himself pitched over a railing by his most trusted old friend on Palpatines orders. And then The Last Jedi of course seemed to make it absolutely clear that it was just those dorks remaining.
 

Captain X

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That actually might have made an interesting angle and made their name make a little more sense instead of just being a generic bad guy name. Which is to say that they were fanatics who built themselves up as the First Order and were the ones who finally actually did something against that upstart New Republic, and finally avenged the lost Emperor and his true Galactic Empire. This would put the remnant in an awkward position where, depending on how straight they might have actually gone, maybe they might feel obligated to help defend whatever's left of the New Republic because of their treaty, or maybe they might be tempted to just help the First Order finish conquering the New Republic, or at least take a sizable chunk of it for themselves to see the Empire return to something of its former glory. But we can't have nuance or intelligence in our bad guys anymore.
 

Lord Sovereign

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That actually might have made an interesting angle and made their name make a little more sense instead of just being a generic bad guy name. Which is to say that they were fanatics who built themselves up as the First Order and were the ones who finally actually did something against that upstart New Republic, and finally avenged the lost Emperor and his true Galactic Empire. This would put the remnant in an awkward position where, depending on how straight they might have actually gone, maybe they might feel obligated to help defend whatever's left of the New Republic because of their treaty, or maybe they might be tempted to just help the First Order finish conquering the New Republic, or at least take a sizable chunk of it for themselves to see the Empire return to something of its former glory. But we can't have nuance or intelligence in our bad guys anymore.

You could even throw in a bit of political intrigue there. This Empire would likely have an Imperial Senate or Council of sorts (what with the Emperor and most of his Moffs dying), and there might be a straight split over the First Order. Some are supportive (especially after perhaps years of grinding economic poverty due to Republic sanction and, well, outright vengeful abuse), whilst others, distanced by thirty years from Sith influence, deem the Hosnian System's destruction an atrocity to be decried (these people likely disagreed with what happened to Alderaan those long years before).

Half the council want to declare the First Order terrorists, whilst the other could actually be of the opinion "Snoke. If you pull this off and restore our Empire to greatness, we will declare you Emperor."
 

LindyAF

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I think a big issue with the sequel trilogies is that Disney looked at the prequels and said "anything but that." Which is fair, but they overreacted a bit, and part of that came out with an unwillingness to have any sort of not-maximally-simple political scenario represented on screen.

It's a real shame they didn't establish a separate Imperial Remnant existing. I don't think it would have been that hard to do in TFA, either, or have required much in terms of politics. You could have one of the groups that stops Han, Chewie, Rey, and Poe be a small Remnant patrol an Officer and a couple troopers in a clearly Imperial frigate or something. Make them visually clearly Imperial but kinda mellowed out, round out the sharp edges. Have them be bureaucratic and maybe slightly antagonistic, but not shoot-on-sight hostile to the main characters. Maybe add a few Remnant Troopers on Jakku and Takodana, patrolling in the background.

Then you make the First Order look either like the Imperial space Taliban - heterogeneous armor pieced together from a bunch of different Imperial gear. Or if they're married to the idea of a high tech First Order, make them look more elite and more dangerous- maybe make the First Order troopers look like the Sith Troopers did, or Shadow Troopers.
 

LindyAF

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A bit off topic but one thing I was thinking about that does annoy me a bit in the prequels and especially the Clone Wars animated series, is that there seems to be this resistance to having the heroes (besides Anakin) misjudge the overall dynamic of the Republic becoming the Empire.

Like, particularly I remember they have Padme resisting and speaking against bills that would either expand the Republic's military or give Palpatine more power. This does not make much sense since Palpatine was from the same planet as Padme, and is generally stated to have been a close political ally, the Trade Federation are the political and economic adversaries of her planet, and Padme also has a lot of interaction with Jedi generals, including a notable extremely militarist one who is her secret husband. She also spends a lot more time actually on the front lines in some cases actively fighting in the conflict than the average senator.

Additionally, the people who would become the leaders of the Alliance to Restore the Republic, Bail Organa and Mon Mothma were in basically the same boat, people who were apparently political allies of Palpatine- part of the Loyalist faction and the Loyalist committee, but who also disagreed with him on everything. Why would the core of the opposition to Palpatine be coming from within essentially his own political party?

IMO it would have made a lot more sense if Padme was one of Palpatine's strongest supporters whereas Bail and Mon Mothma were his political opponents within the senate, but maybe Bail in particular is one she respects even if she disagrees with. Then only at the end of the Clone Wars do Palpatine and Anakin cross a line Padme can't follow.
 

Typhonis

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You know ....one group they could have used for the baddies? One that is evil, been around for centuries. Sells slaves, runs drugs. Has money laundering, extortion, gambling, all sorts of evil things going on. Why not have the big baddie of the Sequal trilogy be a Hutt Sith Lord?
 

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