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mrttao said:
1. fuck you. there is no "misdirection" here and I am sick of you neocon assholes whining about "muh vatniks" "muh russian propaganda" "muh russian misdirection" every time someone disagrees with you about literally anything.
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Fuck you right back, i'm sick of contrarian retards stuck with knowledge of geopolitics worth of 12 year old whose leftist teacher got them into Chomsky early yet somehow think they are right wingers.
mrttao said:
2. You are a bit clueless about how money works so let me explain.
The USA govt is not flush with infinite money as you think, in fact it has literally negative money. That is even less than "no money". It does not have money, it has debt instead. Printing more money and raising the debt is not an "infinite money cheat".
Literally every dollar they print or borrow (federal reserve banks print it and give to govt) comes out of the citizens pockets via inflation.
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And yet the numbers says that this whole issue is a drop in an ocean, and so, even if it was as wasteful as you claim, its scale is irrelevant in light of other kinds of wasteful spending - so you are shilling about Ukraine support because of your sympathies or ideology, not because of the money, unless you are too stupid to compare numbers that is.
mrttao said:
The ones who are out of money are we the people of the USA. who are struggling to bear with this inflation as the govt steals all our money via inflation to send to various places.
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Like the money wizardry or not, everyone does it, it doesn't make world conflicts stop or be irrelevant, and shilling for Russian imperialism is about the last thing that is going to help you promote fiscal conservatism, if that is what you really care about.
mrttao said:
that was a signficant portion of my point.
undercutting russian oil will be very effective at neutering russia.
but they simply do not want to do so.

I am glad you managed to figure out that the american oligarchs goal is not ukraine victory. it is a good first step.
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Yeah, democrats are being half assed at war again. But you know who isn't? The neocons (as in not democrats) who you take such special care to shit on. Ask John Bolton what he thinks should be done if you want an actual neocon opinion. Look who is criticizing Biden for not wanting this done and how.
 
ThatZenoGuy said:
If by US you mean oligarch pockets, Israel and Ukraine, sure. It's staying in "US".
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Some of it, sadly, is yes
A lot of it is going towards making sure the companies supplying the weapons and ammo are able to get production up.

But I can understand why so many are against jobs being up and running, and us having the ability to fight a war.

If we go isolationist then we should be pacifist and downsize.
Has always helped us out and kept us out of wars.....
 
ThatZenoGuy said:

Tl;dw, 'furries' overtaking American schools with mental illnesses and degeneracy.

Legitimately annoyed that the media and people are referring to them as 'furries' though, growling, barking and biting people while on a leash in public isn't being a furry, that's more of some weird BDSM kink or something.

The ones in costumes, yeah that's furry behavior but anything beyond that has nothing to do with it. People keep confusing 'otherkin' with em.
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BDSM, furries, otherkin…it’s all fucked up and we’re better off without it.
 
Ukraine Gets Their Billions Despite CIA Director Reportedly Warning Zelenksy To Stop Stealing So Much Money

Ukraine Gets Their Billions Despite CIA Director Reportedly Warning Zelenksy To Stop Stealing So Much Money | ZeroHedge

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Of course he's pleased... why wouldn't he be, as who knows where that money will end up?
As Seymour Hersh recently reported, CIA Director Burns had to warn Zelensky to stop stealing so much money.
The issue of corruption was directly raised with Zelensky in a meeting last January in Kiev with CIA Director William Burns.
His message to the Ukrainian president, I was told by an intelligence official with direct knowledge of the meeting, was out of a 1950s mob movie.
The senior generals and government officials in Kiev were angry at what they saw as Zelensky's greed, so Burns told the Ukrainian president, because "he was taking a larger share of the skim money than was going to the generals."
Burns also presented Zelensky with a list of thirty-five generals and senior officials whose corruption was known to the CIA and others in the American government.
Zelensky responded to the American pressure ten days later by publicly dismissing ten of the most ostentatious officials on the list and doing little else.
"The ten he got rid of were brazenly bragging about the money they had—driving around Kiev in their new Mercedes," the intelligence official told me.
Zelensky's half-hearted response and the White House's lack of concern was seen, the intelligence official added, as another sign of a lack of leadership that is leading to a "total breakdown" of trust between the White House and some elements of the intelligence community.
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Hersh went on to note that one estimate by analysts from the Central Intelligence Agency put the embezzled funds at $400 million last year, at least; another expert compared the level of corruption in Kiev as approaching that of the Afghan war, "although there will be no professional audit reports emerging from the Ukraine."
But, remember, the first rule of sending money to corrupt Ukraine is... you don't talk about how corrupt Ukraine is (or you get impeached).
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Marduk said:
Like the money wizardry or not, everyone does it, it doesn't make world conflicts stop or be irrelevant, and shilling for Russian imperialism is about the last thing that is going to help you promote fiscal conservatism, if that is what you really care about.
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Everyone doing it does not mean it is infinite free money
Every sinlge dollar that the govt prints, is stolen from the commoners via inflation.
There are no free resources, there is only the transfer of resources from point A to point B.
 
mrttao said:
Everyone doing it does not mean it is infinite free money
Every sinlge dollar that the govt prints, is stolen from the commoners via inflation.
There are no free resources, there is only the transfer of resources from point A to point B.
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Being specific every dollar printed (by a private company and loaned to the government) is not only theft from commoner, but is also a form of slavery because the only way to pay back the loans is to. *Checks notes* Print more money from the private company?
 
mrttao said:
Everyone doing it does not mean it is infinite free money
Every sinlge dollar that the govt prints, is stolen from the commoners via inflation.
There are no free resources, there is only the transfer of resources from point A to point B.
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If everyone does it and keeps getting away with it, it's not a very strong argument against it.
 
Marduk said:
If everyone does it and keeps getting away with it, it's not a very strong argument against it.
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> Every country has nobility that rapes and murders their serfs freely. why are you arguing against it?
> Every country has cruel executions for political dissidents. why are you arguing against it?
> Every country in history practiced slavery. why try to abolish it?

The sheer stupidity of this argument boggles the mind.

Even worse, we are not even trend setters here. We do not need to be the first country in the world to abolish slavery or to abolish the right of nobility to torture a person to death.

In 2024 every country does it. But this was not always the case.
It used to be quite common for countries to not engage in inflation and to even punish those who do. The USA itself had a long battle against the banks that was won by the people multiple times before the federal reserve seized power.

Furthermore, inflation theft did not evolve due to making those countries stronger and thus is inevitable.
In fact it makes the countries who practice it weaker and leads to their death and destruction.
This is very similar to the graft we see endemic in communist countries, it harms the countries and makes them less capable in all ways.

Finally. You were even denying that it existed earlier.
If I managed to FORCE you into admitting that there is no "infinite free money" but instead that every dollar the USA prints is stolen from the commoners. Then that is a win.
 
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mrttao said:
> Every country has nobility that rapes and murders their serfs freely. why are you arguing against it?
> Every country has cruel executions for political dissidents. why are you arguing against it?
> Every country in history practiced slavery. why try to abolish it?
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...you are comparing printing money to rape and murder.

This discussion is now a farce.
 
mrttao said:
> Every country has nobility that rapes and murders their serfs freely. why are you arguing against it?
> Every country has cruel executions for political dissidents. why are you arguing against it?
> Every country in history practiced slavery. why try to abolish it?
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None of these "every's" are true and we both know it.
mrttao said:
The sheer stupidity of this argument boggles the mind.

Even worse, we are not even trend setters here. We do not need to be the first country in the world to abolish slavery or to abolish the right of nobility to torture a person to death.

In 2024 every country does it. But this was not always the case.
It used to be quite common for countries to not engage in inflation and to even punish those who do. The USA itself had a long battle against the banks that was won by the people multiple times before the federal reserve seized power.

Furthermore, inflation theft did not evolve due to making those countries stronger and thus is inevitable.
In fact it makes the countries who practice it weaker and leads to their death and destruction.
This is very similar to the graft we see endemic in communist countries, it harms the countries and makes them less capable in all ways.

Finally. You were even denying that it existed earlier.
If I managed to FORCE you into admitting that there is no "infinite free money" but instead that every dollar the USA prints is stolen from the commoners. Then that is a win.
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Inflation borrows money from everyone's future towards here and now. Obviously that's an incredibly vulnerable to misuse and dangerous ability to have for a country, yet there are some historical events that could be argued well enough to justify taking advantage of it, though as more or less some sort of emergency measure mostly. It's kinda like a drug, but for states. Used smartly it can let you win the Olympics against a genuinely better opponent, but abuse it and you will be struggling to win a bum fight, which you will end up taking part in being such a junkie. Most countries now are not very smart about using it, but the dramatic handwaving about it being stealing from commoners and shit makes your antics as unserious as the justifications of the inflation abusers.
 
I genuinely can't believe this is a right wing forum at times.

Listen, some level of inflation can be necessary or even healthy. Ask Japan. The problems begin when there's too much of it, just as with everything else.
 
Marduk said:
None of these "every's" are true and we both know it.
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All of those were true in the past before people rose up and overturned them.
Marduk said:
Inflation borrows money from everyone's future towards here and now
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blatant lie.
Inflation steals money from the present peasants to give the govt to dole out as it wishes.
This is not a "borrowing from our children" scenario.
A large part of the inflation is instant and the rest happens in just a couple of years.
 
mrttao said:
All of those were true in the past before people rose up and overturned them.
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Nah, not really. All of them had some more gray area exceptions, and plenty of discussion and/or observation that the less backwards option works better for those who practice it, resulting in slow and gradual shift towards the other position.

And to further give justice to the complexity, going too far in the "good" direction can also bring bad results - the slavery discussion going too far means Haiti or leftist reparation and "anti racism" discussions of today's leftist campuses, while the movement against executions went so far that not even the worst of traitors and foreign enemies fear anything, they have to be unlucky to get any meaningful punishment at all and act with appropriate boldness as a result.
mrttao said:
blatant lie.
Inflation steals money from the present peasants to give the govt to dole out as it wishes.
This is not a "borrowing from our children" scenario.
A large part of the inflation is instant and the rest happens in just a couple of years.
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Nope, peasants have very little money in the sense of currency to begin with and spend most of it as soon as they get it, if it steals money from anyone, it's middle and lower upper class who has a lot of capital in currency rather than other assets.
 
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