Israel 🇮🇱 State of Israel Thread

[Scottty]

Lmaoooo, can't believe there's a gaggle of clowns on this website defending neocons like George W. Bush. What a clownthread

Dear old George W.
W's plan for presidenting was to surround himself with smart people and follow their advice.
Unfortunately, the smart people turned out to be a bunch of Neo-Con ideologues.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Are we still pretending Bush was a silly old man that got manipulated by all the cunning schemers around him?

 

[Scottty]

Are we still pretending Bush was a silly old man that got manipulated by all the cunning schemers around him?

What would you rather be pretending?

 

[SoliFortissimi]

What would you rather be pretending?

That people can be honest when political issues are concerned.

 

[Scottty]

That people can be honest when political issues are concerned.

So tell me what you think about George W?

 

[Bacle]

This is how compromised the Biden/Harris admin is by Iran.

 

[Scottty]

This is how compromised the Biden/Harris admin is by Iran.

One look at that face and you can see that's someone who has no legit business being in Military Intelligence or Special Operations.
How the Russians must be laughing.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

So tell me what you think about George W?

That he's a traitor who sold his country out just to win another election.

This is how compromised the Biden/Harris admin is by Iran.

Iran, of all countries...it's even worse than being infiltrated by some respectable power like China or Russia/USSR.

 

[King Arts]

Because it's a country with Sharia law, and MULTIPLE countries that have outright committed genocide (China) to slavery (Most ME countries) in modern times have been as the head multiple times.....
Bit hey, it's only about women and gays.

What specefic part of Sharia law? Because as far as I know the only nations that actually implement Sharia are Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran. Other Muslim nations for the most part only partly implement as in they make laws that fit their morals it instead of going full hog and going for all the things in their book.

As for China you are talking about the Uighers? Is it really a genocide I mean China controls the territory just like Israel does if they wanted to kill them all they could do it and there is nothing you can do.

As for middle east slavery they don't have slave markets well Libyia does but that's a failed state after your favorite people in the west caused the dictator to fall. But most of them like the UAE or Saudi just do the same thing the US does where they treat immigrants like servants with low wages.

Again why should that not be part of the human rights council?

Because they actively want to force communism on its southern neighbor and nukes are a way to prevent any form of peaceful reintegration.

And the US wants to enforce democracy, secularism, liberal values, LGBT rights, etc.
What is your point, I don't like North Korea but your idiot leaders are too late to destroy it you should have done it in the 50's.

The US created fucked nukes.
And Russia and China are never going to get rid of nukes even if the US UK and Framce did.
So...obviously why would they get rid of theirs if those that hate them wont?

Yes America created nukes so what? If the commission is suppose to get rid of nukes why should the US be immune and be allowed to sit on the commission while having nukes?

You can make the argument that the commision should not have been made, fine but that's NOT what you said.

How so?
Because I actually love my country and the fact that communists have infiltrated our society and made life suck?
Because all those people spitting on soldiers, well they are your average dem. Trust the science, trust the media.

Dod you know the Tet Offensive was a MASSIVE failure for the NVA and nearly wiped out the VC completely?
No? See, thus is because your a leftist.

But please, explain how my views are the reason soldiers got spit on.

Because you make two faced arguments. You denounce other nations against us as evil, yet you bow to our nation when it's being evil and don't do anything but suck up to it. I gave the reasons to bacle on why your views are the ones that have people spit on soldiers.
Listen you can either think people should support what is right no matter what OR you can think people should support their nation even if it's in the wrong. You and the neocons made the argument that you should support what is right even if your country is against it. Yet you try to jump on both sides, when it's convenient stupid people might think the US was always on the good side but smart people who know history know otherwise. So when you were arguing that Germans and Japanese, and Russians were bad for supporting their nations because they are tyrannical and oppressing others fair enough. But then what should someone who sees the US as being bad and oppressing others in Vietnam do? Under the logic you created what the students did spit on soldiers and call them baby murderers.

Ok? Who cares if the Tet offensive was a failure tactically? What matters is is that North Vietnam won in the end, they won strategically you failed to keep South Vietnam as a country. Good job.

Then it's natural to support nations that resemble us, rather than our enemies. Countries that are or aspire to be lawful western democracies.

Well that depends on what we consider as "like us" doesen't it? After all it does seem that when we try to make "allies" based on "shared values" or sanction those who violate those values those values are always secularism women's rights, and LGBT things. These are liberal ideals we never sanction someone for not respecting free speech, or for violating the right to bare arms. Otherwise the UK would be an enemy of ours.

Well then i would ask who were the former employers? Are they trustworthy? Do they have some strange pet peeves? Perhaps my competition does in fact suck. Perhaps we're in the cartel business and we all suck because this is the nature of that business.

I'm asking you on average you don't have time to be inspecting this. Let's say you have 100 of these employees who have this issue of problems with their former employers. Don't you think most of the time the fault is with the employee and not the employers?

What do you think the Muslims see the likes of you as?
Who do you think they find more use for? You, or said traitors?
Do you think you can control them so easily once you let them have any influence?
Ironically, you are thinking of exactly the sort of "clever" plan Iranian leftists thought up - pair up with islamists tactically to overthrow the Shah.
Guess who's in power in Iran now, and what happened to the leftists.
Sorry, i don't want to share their fate due to your "cleverness".

Unlike you I don't fear Muslims as some ubermench, who can dominate all others. In fact they seem to be under performing. So no they are a useful counterweigth to others.

Well then all the better for us when Jews want to be in Israel. They aren't going to help Muslims conquer that one for sure.
Also better than us than playing multicultural games with them, Muslims and who the fuck else leftists import.

Such bad faith arguments. This is because of your stupid argument "The west has always had a bad relationship with Muslims!"
Well guess what if that's your argument the same applies to Jews. Europeans and Christians have not gotten along historically.

Also Israel DOES play multicultural games they are fully onboard with sending Palestinians or other Arabs to Europe. That is good for them in the short term, it relives pressure for them. In the long term it MAY(not guranteed) cause problems.

We don't need your idealistic theoretical models of Russia. This is a treacherous bunch, they would probably use it to betray you in the end.
How do i know?
Well, smarter people than you tried this number with the Sino-Soviet split already, and look how it ended up in the long run. China and Russia are buddies again, but with the other one being the "major partner".

So you aren't giving any examples of them betraying the other in a way our allies haven't?

Well by the end of the war Rommel was dead by Nazi hand and had very mixed opinions, so that's a terrible example.
Some were judged innocent in Nuremberg trials.

It's not a bad example only liberals like on spacebattles dislike Rommel.

Try to take rule over it and make it not be on the wrong side.

Ok good, is it acceptable to side with the enemy your nation is fighting and help the enemy and simp for them against your own soldiers?

LMAO. "Freedom". Great job confirming that all you have is, in fact, lefty whitewashing of commies.
If that was true, Soviets and China would not send them half the support they did.
Consider their internal governance and economics *after* the war.

Yes freedom. While in Vietnam both the Soviets and The US and France were trying to make Vietnam a subordinate. The west was FAR more colonial. They were 100% ok with splitting up the nation something any nationalist would hate.

Vietnams people lucked out by having the Americans lose, as now Vietnam is not worse than any other south east nation and is united instead of being split apart like America would have allowed.
To be moral and not colonial the Americans should have not just fought for the "status quo" of "muh cheap economy" and actually tried to conquer North Vietnam and crusade and spread capitalism and unite the Vietnamese people instead of just splitting them apart for profit.

You know jack shit about my only arguments. For one, remember the whole story with Kuwait? That's another story, and alone a reason to want Saddam being made an example of.

Ahh yes 10 years later. What a stupid argument. No such a delayed "punishment" years after the bad act does nothing to discourage anything. Great fucking way to "make an example" Please stop thinking, you are proving the stupid pole argument with every shitty argument you make.

 

[Marduk]

I'm asking you on average you don't have time to be inspecting this. Let's say you have 100 of these employees who have this issue of problems with their former employers. Don't you think most of the time the fault is with the employee and not the employers?

"Averege" is fucking pointless for that question.
On average, how many legs do you and your pets have?
We know for a fact that most of the employers in question are absolute shitsters of the geopolitical arena, aka "the islamic world".

Unlike you I don't fear Muslims as some ubermench, who can dominate all others. In fact they seem to be under performing. So no they are a useful counterweigth to others.

Seems like you have swallowed the leftist "islamophobia" propaganda.
No, people like me do not oppose the islamic world because we think it's capable of insane feats of political or military conquest.
We just look at history and consider them too dangerous to not keep them at gunpoint.
It's less important whether the person who definitely is looking for an opportunity to stab you is a swordmaster or a junkie with a rusty knife, you still don't want to be stabbed.
What fucking "others" would warrant such a risk and need such a counterweight?
They are as, if not more willing and able to use your "clever" schemes as a stepping stone to conquer us as you are to betray them. They pulled this exact number on the leftists in Iran, and we both know that leftists are serious players in such games.
I've discussed your schemes enough to be pretty sure that you are not a better one.

Such bad faith arguments. This is because of your stupid argument "The west has always had a bad relationship with Muslims!"
Well guess what if that's your argument the same applies to Jews. Europeans and Christians have not gotten along historically.

LMAO you're all bad faith arguments.
How many conquests did Jews pull off against Europeans?
How much of former Roman Empire is even now after the age of colonialism still Muslim?
It's much easier to decide on improving relations when you're so much bigger than the other faction, hold the initiative on whether to have hostilities or not, that there's no way it would want to not have that.
Also a lot of that hostility was linked to "clever" games between Jews, Christians and Muslims in multicultural areas.
We know this stuff now.
Meanwhile every time Muslims get more fundamentalist they will inevitably remind themselves that they have to conquer all infidels.

Also Israel DOES play multicultural games they are fully onboard with sending Palestinians or other Arabs to Europe. That is good for them in the short term, it relives pressure for them. In the long term it MAY(not guranteed) cause problems.

Are they actually sending them? Numbers please. Why should they protect leftist governments from leftist idiocy just because they are in Europe? You seem to have a big problem with ability to tell rhetoric of random politicritters form reality.
Meanwhile many Muslim countries are actually doing it , and at scale.

So you aren't giving any examples of them betraying the other in a way our allies haven't?

Already gave that to you. Our allies did not have anything like that, your bullshitry about equating minor espionage incidents to it left to be laughed out more openly if you didn't get the message.

It's not a bad example only liberals like on spacebattles dislike Rommel.

Don't know, don't care what some e-progs think, but in grand scheme of thinks it doesn't matter enough to justify your grandstanding about unjust vilification of him.

Ok good, is it acceptable to side with the enemy your nation is fighting and help the enemy and simp for them against your own soldiers?

If they are an actual enemy, no. Doubly so if they were since the existence of their civilization.

Yes freedom. While in Vietnam both the Soviets and The US and France were trying to make Vietnam a subordinate. The west was FAR more colonial. They were 100% ok with splitting up the nation something any nationalist would hate.

Fuck off with the red propaganda.
Nationalists both in Taiwan and Korea would explain it to you in even clearer terms about how much "worse" it was to be split and "subordinate to the west".
It's an obvious commie talking point to propagandize nationalists that it's better to be united under communism than split and only have half the country ruined by commies. Except in reality nationalists retarded enough to fall for that are rare.
>freedom
Again, where did that freedom manifest when Americans went away?

Vietnams people lucked out by having the Americans lose, as now Vietnam is not worse than any other south east nation

Again great job not knowing shit yet thinking you do. What's Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore?

and is united instead of being split apart like America would have allowed.
To be moral and not colonial the Americans should have not just fought for the "status quo" of "muh cheap economy" and actually tried to conquer North Vietnam and crusade and spread capitalism and unite the Vietnamese people instead of just splitting them apart for profit.

I give no particular value to leftist ideological sin of "colonialism", it has no value as an argument for me, conveniently also letting me ignore their word games in defining it. Screw any moral system who copies it, but great job admitting to sharing leftist geopolitical "morality".

What fucking "splitting for profit"? Is this a prelude to more teenage hippy grade whining about MIC?

Ahh yes 10 years later. What a stupid argument.

Better late than never.

No such a delayed "punishment" years after the bad act does nothing to discourage anything.

Yes there absolutely is even in normal law, it's called statute of limitations you fucking idiot muppet, and in most places it's 10 years or much longer for any remotely serious crimes.

Great fucking way to "make an example" Please stop thinking, you are proving the stupid pole argument with every shitty argument you make.

Great fucking way to show you are a product of a failed primary education system, proving your status as our resident theocra-retard.

 

[LordsFire]

Yes freedom. While in Vietnam both the Soviets and The US and France were trying to make Vietnam a subordinate. The west was FAR more colonial. They were 100% ok with splitting up the nation something any nationalist would hate.

Vietnams people lucked out by having the Americans lose, as now Vietnam is not worse than any other south east nation and is united instead of being split apart like America would have allowed.

Please.

Please.

Forget everything that you think you know, pray to God for Wisdom, and start over again from scratch.

This is hardly the first thing so absurdly wrong you've said, but it is another example of you confidently making a fool of yourself.

Your ability to reason and your understanding of the world are fundamentally flawed. You need to rebuild your worldview from the ground up.

 

[Zachowon]

South Korea seems to be doing better then Vietnam and its split country of North Korea.
Same with Taiwan

 

[SoliFortissimi]

South Korea seems to be doing better then Vietnam and its split country of North Korea.
Same with Taiwan

Turns out that capitalism works. Even third rate copies of capitalism outperform model socialist economies.

 

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[King Arts]

"Averege" is fucking pointless for that question.
On average, how many legs do you and your pets have?
We know for a fact that most of the employers in question are absolute shitsters of the geopolitical arena, aka "the islamic world".

Yes averages do matter. Any reasonable rational conservative knows this. Averages are how you deal with groups of people and locations. I'm sure there are quite a few nice kind law abiding folks in inner city ghettos. Are you still going to walk up there to a group of young men at night without a care in the world?
Look how liberal Marduk is, still be careful you don't want to end up like this guy.

Advocate stabbed to death in New York City in 'unthinkable' attack

Ryan Thoresen Carson, 31, was stabbed "multiple times" shortly before 4 a.m. Monday in Brooklyn, police said.

abcnews.go.com

Remember your life is more important than social justice points.

Seems like you have swallowed the leftist "islamophobia" propaganda.
No, people like me do not oppose the islamic world because we think it's capable of insane feats of political or military conquest.
We just look at history and consider them too dangerous to not keep them at gunpoint.
It's less important whether the person who definitely is looking for an opportunity to stab you is a swordmaster or a junkie with a rusty knife, you still don't want to be stabbed.
What fucking "others" would warrant such a risk and need such a counterweight?
They are as, if not more willing and able to use your "clever" schemes as a stepping stone to conquer us as you are to betray them. They pulled this exact number on the leftists in Iran, and we both know that leftists are serious players in such games.
I've discussed your schemes enough to be pretty sure that you are not a better one.

Ironically I want them as a counterweight to leftists. I see leftists as a bigger threat since conservatives keep losing to them. While historically and contemporarily we've won against Muslims.

LMAO you're all bad faith arguments.
How many conquests did Jews pull off against Europeans?
How much of former Roman Empire is even now after the age of colonialism still Muslim?
It's much easier to decide on improving relations when you're so much bigger than the other faction, hold the initiative on whether to have hostilities or not, that there's no way it would want to not have that.
Also a lot of that hostility was linked to "clever" games between Jews, Christians and Muslims in multicultural areas.
We know this stuff now.
Meanwhile every time Muslims get more fundamentalist they will inevitably remind themselves that they have to conquer all infidels.

That's just because the Jews did not have kingdoms and empires to attack with.

Do you know the differance between Jews and Muslims? There is very little they both treat out groups kaffirs/goys as their lives having little worth and they look down on them. The only big differance is that Jews are harder to join/convert while Muslims are more universalist so you can join the "chosen" group instead of being born into it.

Are they actually sending them? Numbers please. Why should they protect leftist governments from leftist idiocy just because they are in Europe? You seem to have a big problem with ability to tell rhetoric of random politicritters form reality.
Meanwhile many Muslim countries are actually doing it , and at scale.

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Smotrich and Gveir both think you are a useful stupid tool. They see you as a perfect slave stupid and sucking them off while they give you their trash.
I hope you like the reward they are giving you, Poland will become so culturally enriched.

Already gave that to you. Our allies did not have anything like that, your bullshitry about equating minor espionage incidents to it left to be laughed out more openly if you didn't get the message.

You didn't give me shit.

If they are an actual enemy, no. Doubly so if they were since the existence of their civilization.

They were a former neutral now they are an enemy thanks to the actions of your stupid evil government. Think of it as a reverse of the real world scenario with Germany. Germany used to be Poland's enemy/oppressor now they are an ally. So think of this hypotetical as a reverse, politics can work like that. You may hate your nations leaders but you should not shit on your people's soldiers as they are your brothers, fathers, and sons who are fighting for your homeland.

Fuck off with the red propaganda.
Nationalists both in Taiwan and Korea would explain it to you in even clearer terms about how much "worse" it was to be split and "subordinate to the west".
It's an obvious commie talking point to propagandize nationalists that it's better to be united under communism than split and only have half the country ruined by commies. Except in reality nationalists retarded enough to fall for that are rare.
>freedom
Again, where did that freedom manifest when Americans went away?

I can't find the quote but you are wrong. The Serbian freedom fighters against the Austrians, Gavrilo Princip once said something like he is fighting for the freedom and independence of Serbia against Austria and he would prefer any kind of independent Serbian state it could be a monarchy, fascist dictatorship, communist, or even a democratic republic as long as it was not occupied by Austria.
Gavrilo Princip - Wikipedia

So no nationalists want to unify their nations. Nationalists in China and Korea are not happy about the situation. They wanted the Republic of China(Taiwan) to conquer the PRC, they wanted South Korea to conquer North Korea. It's just that shameless prostitutes and cowards are in charge of the west who are unwilling to do anything besides line their pockets.

Again great job not knowing shit yet thinking you do. What's Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore?

Vietnam is on the same level as Thailand, and Malaysia what are you talking about. We don't see stories of famines or wars in Vietnam. Because the country isn't that bad.

I give no particular value to leftist ideological sin of "colonialism", it has no value as an argument for me, conveniently also letting me ignore their word games in defining it. Screw any moral system who copies it, but great job admitting to sharing leftist geopolitical "morality".

What fucking "splitting for profit"? Is this a prelude to more teenage hippy grade whining about MIC?

You should because that is the reason that Americans support protecting Poland. Here is the thing most Americans don't care about European affairs Poland can be under the Russian boot and it would not affect us, we have more interest in Asia. Just like Israel oppressing Palestinians does not affect America. THE ONLY reason we help you is because we believe it is morally correct a nationalist thinks that other nations should not be occupied or enslaved aka colonized. So they can support a nationalist group fighting against that.

As for splitting for profit I'm referring to the fact that the west seems to not believe in it's statement they just take the easy route that does not threaten their pocket book. They meekly defend South Vietnam and South Korea. Instead of going on the attack invading those places tearing down communism and implementing capitalism and incorporating them into the South.
If any group is kind to commies it's you as you are the one who is leaving room for them to fester. You are the type who support that asshole Harry Truman, while I'm the type to support MacArthur and nuking the Chinese in the 50's to win the Korean war.

Yes there absolutely is even in normal law, it's called statute of limitations you fucking idiot muppet, and in most places it's 10 years or much longer for any remotely serious crimes.

Dumb ass rules for international affairs are not comparable to rules nations set internally for their own people.

Please.

Please.

Forget everything that you think you know, pray to God for Wisdom, and start over again from scratch.

This is hardly the first thing so absurdly wrong you've said, but it is another example of you confidently making a fool of yourself.

Your ability to reason and your understanding of the world are fundamentally flawed. You need to rebuild your worldview from the ground up.

@LordsFire you can't just say something is wrong, and you should change your beliefs. That's not an argument. You have not said HOW something is wrong, or what is YOUR position and how is it right.

Also pretty funny you are praying to God when your arguments for supporting the west over Vietnam are not based on religion at all. After all you put your country over God, I'm mostly critiquing others belief systems. No one here provided religious reasons, everything has been secular. I've been doing the same. If you only use secular arguments then you should support the North Vietnamese over America. When I was young and taught in school about Vietnam I thought that America was in the wrong then. But as I learned more about the issue and became more Christian I personally changed and DO think the South was better. Though I do think that America massively fucked things up and should have supported things.

Note that's because I would be using RELIGIOUS arguments, because at the end of the day I do put my religion before nationalism. So I do support God and my fellow Christians over other considerations.

So can you give a religious reason for why South Vietnam is better, I have one I'm just curious if YOU know it, or if you are just for it because you support America?

South Korea seems to be doing better then Vietnam and its split country of North Korea.
Same with Taiwan

Vietnam is unified while Korea is divided. Being a prostitute who only cares about wealth is not the most important thing. Would you be willing to lose half of America's territory in a war against some nation with a new ideology if after they beat us we adopt that ideology and it leads to us getting massively higher quality of life? Would you be cool with giving up the south for that?

Well a Vietnamese nationalist is not ok with giving up half his country just to be a little richer. To a nationalist having the highest GDP is not the most important quality of life and the government can change but territory is harder. Better to be 2nd rate and whole than 1st rate but have your nations land be carved up.

 

[Zachowon]

Vietnam is unified while Korea is divided. Being a prostitute who only cares about wealth is not the most important thing. Would you be willing to lose half of America's territory in a war against some nation with a new ideology if after they beat us we adopt that ideology and it leads to us getting massively higher quality of life? Would you be cool with giving up the south for that?

And Vietnam is a shell of its former self and was never a world player.
And no, because we don't need a new ideology to be great

Well a Vietnamese nationalist is not ok with giving up half his country just to be a little richer. To a nationalist having the highest GDP is not the most important quality of life and the government can change but territory is harder. Better to be 2nd rate and whole than 1st rate but have your nations land be carved up.

So...your saying the south Koreans would be better off with north Korea?
Well damn, I didn't know you were a fan of starving a population....

Korea is a happier country (in a sense, it like Japan has a horrible work culture) then Vietnam is and was for a very long time.
Hell, it actually took America stepping in to prevent an even bigger western favored dictatorship in South Korea.
And now they have one if the largest economi3s in the world, and overall a great quality of life...(outside of the horrible work culture there.)
But you seem to think they would be better off under communism because "At least thier whole!"
Why arnt you critiquing the Chinese ans Soviets for supporting the Norths invasion of the South?why is it the US fault?
And in Vietnam, the South WANTED to be seperate. They fought for years after we left to show that.

 

[King Arts]

And Vietnam is a shell of its former self and was never a world player.
And no, because we don't need a new ideology to be great

Of course it was never a world player. It's a small country.

So...your saying the south Koreans would be better off with north Korea?
Well damn, I didn't know you were a fan of starving a population....

Korea is a happier country (in a sense, it like Japan has a horrible work culture) then Vietnam is and was for a very long time.
Hell, it actually took America stepping in to prevent an even bigger western favored dictatorship in South Korea.
And now they have one if the largest economi3s in the world, and overall a great quality of life...(outside of the horrible work culture there.)
But you seem to think they would be better off under communism because "At least thier whole!"
Why arnt you critiquing the Chinese ans Soviets for supporting the Norths invasion of the South?why is it the US fault?
And in Vietnam, the South WANTED to be seperate. They fought for years after we left to show that.

No North Korea is too far gone. There comes a point where you have to cut your losses. Just like you said earlier we don't need a new ideology. Some more wealth isn't worth giving up. The costs of being part of North Korea are too much, it's not worth being whole if you have to suffer as North Korea.
But again you are the one who is making the argument about MUH GDP and wealth. If there was a new ideology that would make us stronger and better under your logic why should we not take it? If everyone else adopts the new ideology and kicks our ass we aren't great anymore.

Anyway you are wrong in your history, South Vietnam and Korea was not a seperatist state fighting for independence. No after ww2 the two new empires America and the Soviets split the world between their ideologies. So certain hot spots that were colonized by former empires like France and Japan were split between America and Russia. And a compromise was made to have the south be capitalist, the North communist. The Americans stupidly decided to stick with the deal, while the North betrayed it and helped the North conquer the south. WE should have broken it and helped the South conquer the North.

I do criticise the Russians and Chinese for splitting Vietnam, but I don't criticize them for "breaking the deal" and unifying Vietnam. Because the country should have never been split in the first place.

We should not have allowed Korea to be split. We should have demanded with nukes that it be unified under a capitalist government. But your leaders are corrupt weak pedos who don't care what is good. They only want more money and to rape kids on epsteins island.

 

[Marduk]

Yes averages do matter. Any reasonable rational conservative knows this. Averages are how you deal with groups of people and locations. I'm sure there are quite a few nice kind law abiding folks in inner city ghettos. Are you still going to walk up there to a group of young men at night without a care in the world?
Look how liberal Marduk is, still be careful you don't want to end up like this guy.

Advocate stabbed to death in New York City in 'unthinkable' attack

Ryan Thoresen Carson, 31, was stabbed "multiple times" shortly before 4 a.m. Monday in Brooklyn, police said.

abcnews.go.com

Remember your life is more important than social justice points.

Luckily there are no millions of nations we can't possibly track in world politics, only some hundreds of nations and national groups...
So stop trying to offtopic and shitpost basic bitch "noticer" stuff, you will not impress anyone.

Ironically I want them as a counterweight to leftists.

But they don't want to be a mere counterweight to leftists, so it doesn't matter what you want. They want to exploit the opportunity leftist idiocy poses to further their over millenia long war against the West, destroying which just so happens to be one thing they can agree on with the leftists. They are even willing to tell you sweet lies about it if that means you will let them do that.
And you actively are eager to fall for their bullshit just to stick it to da jooos.

I see leftists as a bigger threat since conservatives keep losing to them.

But they don't see them as a bigger threat. In fact leftists are their main facilitator in war against the West.
It's just you who actively beg to be deceived, and the Muslims will oblige you in that.

While historically and contemporarily we've won against Muslims.

On the outside of our own states. When in same state? Lebanon, Egypt, Sudan, Balkans... At best it's an extremely bloody and phyrric victory, and sometimes there is none.

That's just because the Jews did not have kingdoms and empires to attack with.

I don't trust your crystal ball. But the fact is that they still don't, and they would have to multiply their numbers by more than an order of magnitude to do that on any level threatening to us.
Meanwhile Muslims certainly have the numbers, just not the organization and competence.

Do you know the differance between Jews and Muslims? There is very little they both treat out groups kaffirs/goys as their lives having little worth and they look down on them. The only big differance is that Jews are harder to join/convert while Muslims are more universalist so you can join the "chosen" group instead of being born into it.

That means Jews can leave you alone as neighbors, whether they go more crazy orthodox and look down on you or not, whatever, we can be glaring at each other over the border.
Nevermind that they would not be our neighbors anyway because for some reason they want to be in their ancestral homeland not Europe.
Muslims are forbidden by own faith from leaving you alone and *not* trying to make you join by any means necessary.

Israeli MKs call on West to 'welcome' refugees from Gaza

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Smotrich and Gveir both think you are a useful stupid tool. They see you as a perfect slave stupid and sucking them off while they give you their trash.

That's like saying MTG and AOC speak for US government policy, if you think so you are too dumb to talk about politics at all.
Besides they are trolling leftist governments who care oh so much about the plight of Gazans.
And last but not least, it's talk, while islamic shitholes actually do import own populations to Europe, and to add insult to injury, fund islamist education for them while there.

I hope you like the reward they are giving you, Poland will become so culturally enriched.

I hope that you get a fucking clue sometime.

You didn't give me shit.

What the fuck do you think sino-soviet split was? All sorts of post WW2/cold war bullshit?

They were a former neutral now they are an enemy thanks to the actions of your stupid evil government.

They cannot be a former neutral because they never were neutral. They were conquered by colonial powers, not neutral, and they got conquered because they lost their own bid to conquer, don't give me this peaceful islam propaganda, wrong crowd dude.

They are more openly hostile now only because leftists among our rules let them get away with being cocky. Including by the "but our evil governments made them hostile!" retardation that you believe in despite it being spread by leftist traitors who hate the West.

Think of it as a reverse of the real world scenario with Germany. Germany used to be Poland's enemy/oppressor now they are an ally. So think of this hypotetical as a reverse, politics can work like that. You may hate your nations leaders but you should not shit on your people's soldiers as they are your brothers, fathers, and sons who are fighting for your homeland.

We still don't trust them and they don't trust us. Fuck off with your shitty hypotheticals.

I can't find the quote but you are wrong. The Serbian freedom fighters against the Austrians, Gavrilo Princip once said something like he is fighting for the freedom and independence of Serbia against Austria and he would prefer any kind of independent Serbian state it could be a monarchy, fascist dictatorship, communist, or even a democratic republic as long as it was not occupied by Austria.
Gavrilo Princip - Wikipedia

And Serbia is a Russia simping shithole now, which is doubly retarded when it's even encircled by Russia hostile countries. A good example to avoid.

So no nationalists want to unify their nations.

Who made Serbs the world gold standard of nationalist leadership? Not me...
Considering how Serbia ended up now, i'm not going to be jealous of theirs.
If they are going to be retarded enough to be willingly ruuned and deracomated by commies just for the sake of staying united...
It's your idiocy to suffer, not mine.

Nationalists in China and Korea are not happy about the situation. They wanted the Republic of China(Taiwan) to conquer the PRC, they wanted South Korea to conquer North Korea. It's just that shameless prostitutes and cowards are in charge of the west who are unwilling to do anything besides line their pockets.

Besides being leftist that is. Our pockets are distinctly not lined, in fact they are filled with debt from social spending, which may shock your populist-leftist sensibilities, but that's the case. Still, having only half your country ruined by commies is still better than having all of it united in being ruined by commies.

Vietnam is on the same level as Thailand, and Malaysia what are you talking about. We don't see stories of famines or wars in Vietnam. Because the country isn't that bad.

No its not, and a single look at a GDP or HDI indicators shows it.
You not seeing things is only evidence of your cluelessness.
Guess "no stories of famines" is your definition of "not that bad". Well guess that's the standard on how you would want to run a country. Just barely better than having famines. Sorry, but i cannot side with people who don't want to do any better than that.

You should because that is the reason that Americans support protecting Poland. Here is the thing most Americans don't care about European affairs Poland can be under the Russian boot and it would not affect us, we have more interest in Asia.

And your council of global security is as always completely retarded. Russian boot is never that far away from Chinese boot, they are perfectly capable of being in lockstep when they feel like it. It's not a contest of whether US has more interests in Asia or Europe, because it has a lot in both, and only traitors and their useful idiots like isolationists want one to be forgotten to give the enemies an opening in the other.
It's like saying that if you have 10 million dollars in one bank and 5 million dollars in other bank you would be fine with the second bank crashing and losing the 5 million. And on top of that they can and will conspire in shifting assets around to lose you more money anyway... No you wouldn't, it's still a lot of money you would lose, those are arguments for two digit IQ people...
Again, isolationism is a great idea... to inflict on your worst enemies. I'd wish if all the isolationists fucked off to China, Iran and Russia and protested any and all of their foreign entanglements. With "patriots" like that, one does not even need enemies.

Just like Israel oppressing Palestinians does not affect America. THE ONLY reason we help you is because we believe it is morally correct a nationalist thinks that other nations should not be occupied or enslaved aka colonized. So they can support a nationalist group fighting against that.4

No, the people who support the help do not share the motivations you think they have.

As for splitting for profit I'm referring to the fact that the west seems to not believe in it's statement they just take the easy route that does not threaten their pocket book. They meekly defend South Vietnam and South Korea. Instead of going on the attack invading those places tearing down communism and implementing capitalism and incorporating them into the South.
If any group is kind to commies it's you as you are the one who is leaving room for them to fester. You are the type who support that asshole Harry Truman, while I'm the type to support MacArthur and nuking the Chinese in the 50's to win the Korean war.

Who said i support the western self-restraint against communist Korea and Vietnam?
It was not your dreaded neocon warmongers either.
It was always the leftists like Carter.

Dumb ass rules for international affairs are not comparable to rules nations set internally for their own people.

Yeah, on international scale it's much longer than 10 years, and in international law, for what it's worth, war crimes and stuff like that never expire.

 

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I don't see why people are so loathe to consider what is happening to Gazans and Uyghurs as genocide just because they've killed less than 2% of the Gazan population (and China has killed proportionally less Uyghurs, but the West and NATO largely considers that a genocide despite the low level of outright killings)

 

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I don't see why people are so loathe to consider what is happening to Gazans and Uyghurs as genocide just because they've killed less than 2% of the Gazan population (and China has killed proportionally less Uyghurs, but the West and NATO largely considers that a genocide despite the low level of outright killings)

The Uyghur genocide allegations is due to intentional eradication of its culture and society.