Israel 🇮🇱 State of Israel Thread

[King Arts]

Except they are a MAJOR exporter of weapons and tech.
Add in, TMSC or what ever the chip company is iirc is making a factory there...
But they also have support from more then the US ya know

No they don't.
The US acts like a slave to them.
Other European nations either if they are practical simply do business with them and treat them as just some other country, or they occasionally do call for boycotts or sanctions.

The group that I like the first group who doesn't give Israel special treatment and just does business with them isn't helping them. That group deals with almost ALL countries like that and many still fall because of either their own stupidity or geostrategic considerations.

Your whole argument about them being big sellers of weapons and tech also is not enough to save them. The same was true for South Africa. But again there were two groups those who did not care about South Africa and were neutral about it's apartheid and those who hated it for apartheid and boycotted and sanctioned it.

Unlike Israel there was no religious radical heretic fifth column inside the country saying South Africans are god's chosen so we have to accept them no matter what, and their needs should be put before ours.

 

[Marduk]

So your argument is to bring up fantasy scenarios?
Also there is debate on if what China is doing is a genocide or not. The US has said it is, but then again the US is biased, international organizations called it a crime against humanity but not specefically a genocide.

China’s Repression of Uyghurs in Xinjiang

More than a million Muslims have been arbitrarily detained in China’s Xinjiang region. The reeducation camps are just one part of the government’s crackdown on Uyghurs.

www.cfr.org

"International organizations" not only are non-specific but also have plenty of biases including commie ones.
Everyone who is accusing Israel of Genocide is many times as biased as US.

Well you are known for your love of fantasy scenarios, so i gave you a not so fantasy one - you think the behavior of a minority in question should have no influence on its treatment?
Even after all the shit that happened, Israel doesn't copy these things China does to less troublesome people, that's my point.

Also why are you simping for Muslims here? Shouldn't Europe copy China in how it treats Islamic terrorists and those who support them?

No, Europe should deport them, not lock them down just to tyrannize them.

That's China's argument and many on here would support the west doing similar things to the Muslims here. Either mass deport them, or surveillance and detention of those who are problematic. Also the Chinese seem to be doing similar things the west has done in the past (Pershing in the Philippines) against those who hold to Islamic theology by forcing them to commit sins such as eating pork, dancing, or drinking alcohol they weaken the faith of those who are interned.

That's a less feasible strategy in the era of international media....
And since the later events there we know it's not exactly a long term solution either.
And yet again i remind you that the Uyghurs have done nothing coming even close to deserve such harsh treatment, unlike the Palestinians of Gaza who have done everything within their power for many years.

 

[Zachowon]

So your argument is to bring up fantasy scenarios?
Also there is debate on if what China is doing is a genocide or not. The US has said it is, but then again the US is biased, international organizations called it a crime against humanity but not specefically a genocide.

China’s Repression of Uyghurs in Xinjiang

More than a million Muslims have been arbitrarily detained in China’s Xinjiang region. The reeducation camps are just one part of the government’s crackdown on Uyghurs.

www.cfr.org

Also why are you simping for Muslims here? Shouldn't Europe copy China in how it treats Islamic terrorists and those who support them? That's China's argument and many on here would support the west doing similar things to the Muslims here. Either mass deport them, or surveillance and detention of those who are problematic. Also the Chinese seem to be doing similar things the west has done in the past (Pershing in the Philippines) against those who hold to Islamic theology by forcing them to commit sins such as eating pork, dancing, or drinking alcohol they weaken the faith of those who are interned.

China is trying to wipe out the entire race and culture kf the Ugyhers...

No they don't.
The US acts like a slave to them.
Other European nations either if they are practical simply do business with them and treat them as just some other country, or they occasionally do call for boycotts or sanctions.

They defended thier own country without US help for a lot longer then us helping ya know.

The group that I like the first group who doesn't give Israel special treatment and just does business with them isn't helping them. That group deals with almost ALL countries like that and many still fall because of either their own stupidity or geostrategic considerations.

So the dems?

Your whole argument about them being big sellers of weapons and tech also is not enough to save them. The same was true for South Africa. But again there were two groups those who did not care about South Africa and were neutral about it's apartheid and those who hated it for apartheid and boycotted and sanctioned it.

And the only countries against Isreal are those that support terrorism in western countries.

Unlike Israel there was no religious radical heretic fifth column inside the country saying South Africans are god's chosen so we have to accept them no matter what, and their needs should be put before ours.

Because south Africa was allowed to fall due to the apartheid.
The diffrence is unlike South Africa, Isreal has repeatedly been responsible for its own defense.
The US didn't provide support for most of its conflicts.
Hell, we can bring up the USS Liberty argument here, in that we wernt even invovled on that.

BTW, what country are you originally from, family wise or immigration wise?

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Some people lliterally can't comprehend relationships between non-antagonists that aren't master-slave.

So either Israel must be a US puppet (whenever trying to excuse nasty defeats to Al Yahud), or the US is an Israeli/Jewish puppet (when trying to stir anger against Israel).

Or sometimes both. Look at how quickly King Arts switches between Israel being helpless without American aid and the US being beholden to Israeli interests. The idea that it's simply a partnership/alliance where both have their own interests that they try to coordinate is never even considered.

 

[King Arts]

"International organizations" not only are non-specific but also have plenty of biases including commie ones.
Everyone who is accusing Israel of Genocide is many times as biased as US.

Well you are known for your love of fantasy scenarios, so i gave you a not so fantasy one - you think the behavior of a minority in question should have no influence on its treatment?
Even after all the shit that happened, Israel doesn't copy these things China does to less troublesome people, that's my point.

The council on foreign relations did not say which organizations said that it was not genocide. Still if they are condemning the acts I doubt they are in the CCP's pocket.

Also many groups that do accuse Israel of genocide are valuable US allies what are you talking about. Stop licking boots so much and look at the world.

As for your hypo I will answer it. I think that if a minority did a mass terror attack in China or were trying to seperate from the country the Chinese would consider genocide. They would respond brutally and supress it. I think in the end they would not do a genocide because the costs would outweigh the benefits, but if it was more beneficial they would wipe out that group.

Not relavent at all though.

No, Europe should deport them, not lock them down just to tyrannize them.

Marduk wake up, I hate to distract you from nice dreams but you have to come back to reality. What you say will never happen. The establishment you worship so much looks down on "racism" I don't my objection with your idea is that in western europe it's too impractical there are Muslims who are 2nd or 3rd generation who are born in those european countries. There was mass immigration after ww2. So lots of Muslims aren't foreigners, I know that europe is different than America with nationality where place of birth is not as important. But still if it is too long then there is no citizenship in their ethnic homeland. I don't think Algeria, or Morrocco are going to say yes to taking in people whose grandparents left. They will say "They are your citizens and your problem not ours."

I mean you could remove a large problem and many of the recent migrants from Libiya or the Afghan ones could be sent back, but that would just ease issues, it would not solve everything. Also there is another issue you aren't looking at native converts what do you do with Sneako or Andrew Tate. They are Muslim, they can do radical stuff. They are not arabs or whatever so you can't just deport them as other countries won't take them.

That's a less feasible strategy in the era of international media....
And since the later events there we know it's not exactly a long term solution either.
And yet again i remind you that the Uyghurs have done nothing coming even close to deserve such harsh treatment, unlike the Palestinians of Gaza who have done everything within their power for many years.

It's more feasable than your dreams of kicking out all the Muslims. Persecuting religious groups so they either leave themselves or assimilate and convert is easier logistically than finding and transporting millions of people outside the country.

China is trying to wipe out the entire race and culture kf the Ugyhers...

China just like Israel could wipe out the entire race if they wanted, they have total control in the area and no one else in the area could stop them. It's been years since this started and the Ugyhers have not been wiped out.

They defended thier own country without US help for a lot longer then us helping ya know.

The same applies to South Africa lol. They lasted for decades under blockade without us helping them.

So the dems?

The dems are better than republican on Israel. But even they do give Israel support and a blank check. The differance is they aren't shameless prositutes like Republicans are about it. No the only two US politicians who I can respect on the Israel issue and not spit on are Bernie Sanders(He was the only one who did not go to the AIPAC debate years ago at the presidential debate and argue that he could serve Israel better), and Donald Trump. Now I know the second choice might surprise you since Trump is pro Israel. But his support for it is different than others. See Trump is not a bought and paid for shill. I have no respect for prostitutes and cuckolded heretics. But Trumps reason for supporting Israel I can understand. I may not agree with it, but I can understand.

And the only countries against Isreal are those that support terrorism in western countries.

Plz don't be soo smooth brained Zach. Many western countries condemn Israel. Just look at the UN resolutions. Yes there are Arab and African shitholes. But pretty much over half of Europe aka our allies also sign those same papers.

Because south Africa was allowed to fall due to the apartheid.
The diffrence is unlike South Africa, Isreal has repeatedly been responsible for its own defense.
The US didn't provide support for most of its conflicts.
Hell, we can bring up the USS Liberty argument here, in that we wernt even invovled on that.

BTW, what country are you originally from, family wise or immigration wise?

What does the USS Liberty have to do with anything?
Dude the whole reason Israel is so strong is because of American support. Why do you think countries are strong? You think they are genetically superior? No it has to do with economics. Wealth lets you buy thinks and invest in your nation and build more infrastructure and train more people to do tasks.

Some people lliterally can't comprehend relationships between non-antagonists that aren't master-slave.

So either Israel must be a US puppet (whenever trying to excuse nasty defeats to Al Yahud), or the US is an Israeli/Jewish puppet (when trying to stir anger against Israel).

Or sometimes both. Look at how quickly King Arts switches between Israel being helpless without American aid and the US being beholden to Israeli interests. The idea that it's simply a partnership/alliance where both have their own interests that they try to coordinate is never even considered.

Please don't put words in my mouth. You have a delusional take where you want to see Nazis everywhere and try to accuse others of thinking like them "Muh Arts thinks Israel is both strong and dangerous, and weak and easy to defeat!"

No I never said anything like that. I said that Israel has a lot of strength because of American support. Israel could survive comfortably without sucking at America's teat if other nations did not care and free trade was a thing. But that type of world does is not real. South Africa could say the same.
People lobby their governments to act in a way they deem moral. So for some reason people in many countries want to boycott Israel. If that goes through and Israel loses access foreign trade it will hurt. Just like what happened to South Africa.

If people did not care about South Africa's racial policies and kept trading with them it could keep on chugging no problem and maintain order. But that did not happen so it got sanctioned lost access to foreign trade, and thus became weaker. Very few countries are self sufficient and won't wither and become decrept without trade.

I understand what Israel gets out of a deal with us, we veto any UN resolution and we strong arm others to tolerate and keep doing business with Israel. But for it to be a partnership it has to be equal. So what do WE get out of this deal. Why should we use our UNSC veto for another country? Nations are not charity there is an oppurtunity cost for everything, pleasing one person will displease another. Why should we cultivate good relations with Israel when that would give bad relations with Muslim nations? Let alone give them free money and weapons?

 

[Marduk]

The council on foreign relations did not say which organizations said that it was not genocide.

This is a big claim, so the burden of proof is on the people making it positively.

Still if they are condemning the acts I doubt they are in the CCP's pocket.

Implying CCP is the only party in the world buying people.

Also many groups that do accuse Israel of genocide are valuable US allies what are you talking about. Stop licking boots so much and look at the world.

What groups who make these accusations are US allies at all, nevermind valuable ones? Leftist governments that shit on US alliances all the time? Reluctant allies at best, and definitely not valuable.
Stop spouting random bullshit and look at the world.

As for your hypo I will answer it. I think that if a minority did a mass terror attack in China or were trying to seperate from the country the Chinese would consider genocide. They would respond brutally and supress it. I think in the end they would not do a genocide because the costs would outweigh the benefits, but if it was more beneficial they would wipe out that group.

So again, what do you think the claims of Israel genociding Palestinians are based on, other than what obviously self-interested leftist and islamic groups saying shit they feel like saying, when you apparently can make a distinction between genocide and "brutal suppression"?

Marduk wake up, I hate to distract you from nice dreams but you have to come back to reality. What you say will never happen. The establishment you worship so much looks down on "racism"

I look down on people who obsess about "racism" above all reason, so to each their own, and if they want to keep listening to their leftist brainworms, their choice.

I don't my objection with your idea is that in western europe it's too impractical there are Muslims who are 2nd or 3rd generation who are born in those european countries.

Europe is not the New World. Most places in Europe do not have Ius Soli or a "country of immigrants" myth. Doesn't matter, and when it should, the legal acts that make it matter can be struck as easily as they were passed.

There was mass immigration after ww2. So lots of Muslims aren't foreigners, I know that europe is different than America with nationality where place of birth is not as important. But still if it is too long then there is no citizenship in their ethnic homeland. I don't think Algeria, or Morrocco are going to say yes to taking in people whose grandparents left. They will say "They are your citizens and your problem not ours."
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Looking at the citizenship of most of the terror suspects and the like, that's not as common problem as you imply.
And if it is common... Plenty of countries have clever people doing clever hybrid warfare crap if they don't have lawyers and journo scum get in the way. I can think of several places within reasonable distance of EU's southern coasts where unwelcome and unruly islamists could be dumped, and the locals could do very little about it. Some of them no one in the EU even particularly likes or cares about.

I mean you could remove a large problem and many of the recent migrants from Libiya or the Afghan ones could be sent back, but that would just ease issues, it would not solve everything.

We're not mathematicians here. We don't need a 100% solution, and refuse all the good enough options that just come close. If we get a 95% one that would probably be good enough, and the rest could be dealt with in more usual policing with the dramatically lower scale of the problem - that is if the very unusual demonstration of will to deal with problems in itself won't get them to stop making problems.

Also there is another issue you aren't looking at native converts what do you do with Sneako or Andrew Tate. They are Muslim, they can do radical stuff. They are not arabs or whatever so you can't just deport them as other countries won't take them.

Native converts are, in raw number, extremely rare, and if political climate changed in a way allowing the above, the motivations to do that would also fall off dramatically. The few remaining ones bad enough to cause trouble should be treated like genuine militant neonazis are treated now.

It's more feasable than your dreams of kicking out all the Muslims. Persecuting religious groups so they either leave themselves or assimilate and convert is easier logistically than finding and transporting millions of people outside the country.

PR wise it's a lasting problem, someone has to do said persecuting, and with such violent and numerous group it risks creating grounds for a Balkan style civil war, especially if a vast number of people doesn't get put under arms to keep order among said cracked down upon immigrant groups. People that, unlike in China, would be hard to find in such numbers.
Western countries have unprecedented in the whole history of the world logistics and data gathering infrastructure, they of all countries do not get to make excuses like that, and those who would want to avoid being caught easily would have to avoid using all the services that make them want to live in Europe in the first place. We aren't talking Brazil's lawless slums, or some african villages with no electricity.
Fun experiment, look up the number of yearly international departures in just 10 biggest airports in your country. Add them up. If only a tiny portion, say, 5% of that was converted into deportation flights, how many years would it take to deport unwelcome migrants?
That's the power of already existing, commercial logistics of modern world.

 

[King Arts]

This is a big claim, so the burden of proof is on the people making it positively.

I will be honest. I just skimmed it. So it might be in there. But the article I posted I did not see the name of any organization.

Implying CCP is the only party in the world buying people.

What? If the CCP was paying them they would shill for it. If they are saying bad things it's less likely they are bought by China.

What groups who make these accusations are US allies at all, nevermind valuable ones? Leftist governments that shit on US alliances all the time? Reluctant allies at best, and definitely not valuable.
Stop spouting random bullshit and look at the world.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This was an anti Israel UNSC resolution nations that supported it included France, Spain, and the UK. You know NATO members. Also New Zealand which is part of the west as it is descended from the UK. Oh and of course Ukraine who said that was Israel was doing with settlements was similiar to what Russia was doing. Are you gonna simp for Russia now?

So again, what do you think the claims of Israel genociding Palestinians are based on, other than what obviously self-interested leftist and islamic groups saying shit they feel like saying, when you apparently can make a distinction between genocide and "brutal suppression"?

I don't think that Israel is genociding Palestinians. I'm just here arguing that people here are biased and arguing in bad faith because I also don't think the Chinese are genociding ueghers.

I look down on people who obsess about "racism" above all reason, so to each their own, and if they want to keep listening to their leftist brainworms, their choice.

But they are the ones who you defend the power of.

urope is not the New World. Most places in Europe do not have Ius Soli or a "country of immigrants" myth. Doesn't matter, and when it should, the legal acts that make it matter can be struck as easily as they were passed.

Yes I know, I said that. But there does come a point where if a family has lived in a place for long enough or has interbred with locals they aren't foreign anymore. So no it won't be as easy as you think.

Looking at the citizenship of most of the terror suspects and the like, that's not as common problem as you imply.
And if it is common... Plenty of countries have clever people doing clever hybrid warfare crap if they don't have lawyers and journo scum get in the way. I can think of several places within reasonable distance of EU's southern coasts where unwelcome and unruly islamists could be dumped, and the locals could do very little about it. Some of them no one in the EU even particularly likes or cares about.

You could get away dumping a few dozen or maybe hundred people onto North Africa but you wouldn't be able to get away with dumping millions of people. So if you define Islamist to broad you should know that the US global empire you like so much would stop you. As you would be causing destabilization in the area.

We're not mathematicians here. We don't need a 100% solution, and refuse all the good enough options that just come close. If we get a 95% one that would probably be good enough, and the rest could be dealt with in more usual policing with the dramatically lower scale of the problem - that is if the very unusual demonstration of will to deal with problems in itself won't get them to stop making problems.

Again it would not be a 90 percent solution At best it would be 60 percent I think. Still unabigiously good. But being complacent would make it pointless as you'd just end up back where you started.

Native converts are, in raw number, extremely rare, and if political climate changed in a way allowing the above, the motivations to do that would also fall off dramatically. The few remaining ones bad enough to cause trouble should be treated like genuine militant neonazis are treated now.

I mean but they are growing. Ignoring the situation is just going to end up a problem. Us conservatives warned you in the 90s about Muslim immigration and you ignored us. Now we are telling you about conversion and you are also ignoring us.

PR wise it's a lasting problem, someone has to do said persecuting, and with such violent and numerous group it risks creating grounds for a Balkan style civil war, especially if a vast number of people doesn't get put under arms to keep order among said cracked down upon immigrant groups. People that, unlike in China, would be hard to find in such numbers.
Western countries have unprecedented in the whole history of the world logistics and data gathering infrastructure, they of all countries do not get to make excuses like that, and those who would want to avoid being caught easily would have to avoid using all the services that make them want to live in Europe in the first place. We aren't talking Brazil's lawless slums, or some african villages with no electricity.
Fun experiment, look up the number of yearly international departures in just 10 biggest airports in your country. Add them up. If only a tiny portion, say, 5% of that was converted into deportation flights, how many years would it take to deport unwelcome migrants?
That's the power of already existing, commercial logistics of modern world.

If you can't trust a decent group of people with arms to hold control. You won't be able to implement a mass deportation. Dude no mainstream right wing group in Europe is even advocating what you are saying. At most they are just saying to stop all immigration that will come in the future. That is the farthest right that is actually able to get some power. No one serious is saying to deport Muslims that are citizens let alone those who are born in europe, or whose family has been in for decades.

 

[Marduk]

I will be honest. I just skimmed it. So it might be in there. But the article I posted I did not see the name of any organization.


What? If the CCP was paying them they would shill for it. If they are saying bad things it's less likely they are bought by China.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This was an anti Israel UNSC resolution nations that supported it included France, Spain, and the UK. You know NATO members. Also New Zealand which is part of the west as it is descended from the UK. Oh and of course Ukraine who said that was Israel was doing with settlements was similiar to what Russia was doing. Are you gonna simp for Russia now?

>UN
What did i say about "not US allies, and definitely not the valuable ones"? Useless Nations are about as perfect example as it gets.
What countries virtue signal about in the UN is much less important than their actual policy.
Also nice topic shift, the resolution was about criticizing settlements 8 years ago, not accusations of genocide.

I don't think that Israel is genociding Palestinians. I'm just here arguing that people here are biased and arguing in bad faith because I also don't think the Chinese are genociding ueghers.

We don't have nearly the open access to independent statistics from China as we do from Israel. But what we have... the difference is that at least Uyghur numbers, since the crackdown and resulting accusations of genocide, most definitely aren't growing, unlike Palestinians, so the accusation at least passes a basic sanity check.

But they are the ones who you defend the power of.

No, those are the same who go on TV and complain about Israel genociding Palestinians.

Yes I know, I said that. But there does come a point where if a family has lived in a place for long enough or has interbred with locals they aren't foreign anymore. So no it won't be as easy as you think.

If few best assimilated immigrants from 1950's or so slip past, who cares.
The point is that criminal clans and zealots yelling about Islam dominating Europe should not slip through.

You could get away dumping a few dozen or maybe hundred people onto North Africa but you wouldn't be able to get away with dumping millions of people. So if you define Islamist to broad you should know that the US global empire you like so much would stop you. As you would be causing destabilization in the area.

Few hundred is a small military landing ship.
As for getting away with things, consider what, in the end, such beloved and humanitarian countries as Saudi Arabia and UAE get away with migrant wise while remaining US allies.

Again it would not be a 90 percent solution At best it would be 60 percent I think. Still unabigiously good. But being complacent would make it pointless as you'd just end up back where you started.

Once we get to 60%, we can see if it won't work more, if more is necessary or if second order effects will finish the job alone, or what is the next best followup strategy, but by that point the problem is significantly reduced, and the evidence is clear that it can be done.

I mean but they are growing. Ignoring the situation is just going to end up a problem. Us conservatives warned you in the 90s about Muslim immigration and you ignored us. Now we are telling you about conversion and you are also ignoring us.

If they grow from a tenth of a percent to two tenths of a percent that's a lot of growth, but that doesn't mean they matter much in the grand scheme of things either way, and that's the sort of scale we are talking about at worst.
Especially if you take the factors of political climate no longer benefiting "oppressed group" conversions and semi-forced prison conversions that will disappear with import criminals dominating prisons due to their number and sensitive status being first and foremost to get deported with no ifs and buts.

If you can't trust a decent group of people with arms to hold control.

That's the thing, we aren't talking about merely decent group of people here. We are talking getting massive armies of people to trust, outnumbering the existing armies and police forces of said countries put together by several multiples.
Back to the topic, this problem was pretty much the main reason why Israel has unilaterally withdrawn from Gaza in the first place. It was just tying down a very inconvenient amount of uniformed personnel and all the resources that implies.

You won't be able to implement a mass deportation. Dude no mainstream right wing group in Europe is even advocating what you are saying. At most they are just saying to stop all immigration that will come in the future. That is the farthest right that is actually able to get some power. No one serious is saying to deport Muslims that are citizens let alone those who are born in europe, or whose family has been in for decades.

It's much easier to get people to merely just let it happen, than to get people to form a half to several million army of paramilitaries whose sole job will be suppression of migrant populations and engaging in the resulting violence all around the country.

And it is discussed seriously enough for the other side to complain even in the currently cucked UK:

British Muslims’ citizenship reduced to ‘second-class’ status, says thinktank

Recently extended powers to strip people of their nationality almost exclusively targets Muslims, report says

www.theguardian.com

No citizenship but "born here"? In that case lmao, that means little, they're not in USA, and their home citizenship is inherited with no time limit.

 

[Bacle]

Well, at least this Iranian agent won't be a likely to get access to sensitive data about Israel anymore, though why she was 'reassigned' and not fired is a massive question mark.

 

[Marduk]

Well, at least this Iranian agent won't be a likely to get access to sensitive data about Israel anymore, though why she was 'reassigned' and not fired is a massive question mark.

The only place she should be reassigned to is in a federal prison.

 

[Zachowon]

But if I did that I would be in prison

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Because they don't want to look racist until they have foolproof evidence....or worse, because they sympathize with her. At least a little. In the "I can see where she's coming from" sense.

Never underestimate how treacherous the miltiary can get.

 

[49ersfootball]

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[The Whispering Monk]

If it's UN linked, it needs to be prevented from actively pursuing ANY activities anywhere.

 

[filipina84]

Good Morning. Going to leave this special tweet right here and leave it at that.

 

[IndyFront]

Israel is a nuclear state that can and will beat up the entire neighborhood by itself.

This is an asinine statement with no proof that I can only laugh at. Russia is a nuclear state and it is failing miserably in Ukraine. The U.S. was a nuclear state during the Vietnam War and got its ass kicked. Vietnam also beat China, yet another nuclear state. Vietnam is non-nuclear. Your argument is invalid.

EDIT: Also just so you know @Marduk if you agree that Israel's cluster bombardment of Palestinian and Lebanese civilians is necessary, you agree with Epstein's best friend and ally, William Jefferson Clinton:

Bill Clinton Justifies The Mass Killings Of Palestinians In Racist Michigan Speech

The ex-president went on a full defense of Israel's ongoing slaughter in Gaza, while campaigning for Harris in the Arab-heavy swing state.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Marduk]

This is an asinine statement with no proof that I can only laugh at. Russia is a nuclear state and it is failing miserably in Ukraine. The U.S. was a nuclear state during the Vietnam War and got its ass kicked. Vietnam also beat China, yet another nuclear state. Vietnam is non-nuclear. Your argument is invalid.

This is also an asinine argument - nuclear state is no different from non-nuclear one if the other side is not either paralyzed with fear or evaporated by instant sunshine. Unfortunately the KGB and its students are quite cold blooded, and we also haven't seen manifestations of instant sunshine.

EDIT: Also just so you know @Marduk if you agree that Israel's carpet bombardment of Palestinian and Lebanese civilians is necessary, you agree with Epstein's best friend and ally, William Jefferson Clinton:

Bill Clinton Justifies The Mass Killings Of Palestinians In Racist Michigan Speech

The ex-president went on a full defense of Israel's ongoing slaughter in Gaza, while campaigning for Harris in the Arab-heavy swing state.

www.yahoo.com

Speaking of who agrees with who, if you side with the Palestinians, you agree with the KGB.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/brutal-home-truths-for-those-marching-in-support-of-palestinians/news-story/5b9ab986de50ae47e19dc86bebf0075f

Checkmate pal, crude association tactic - matched and beaten.

Also, to you and every other clown who thinks Israel is carpet bombing Palestine, your dumb asses would not know carpet bombing if it hit you on the head if you think that's carpet bombing.
Which is great, because your bunch objectively proves that you have no bloody idea about the subject matter you are trying to persuade people about.
The last instance of real carpet bombing was in Vietnam, and only against military targets.
Against cities - Korean War.
The few largest WW2 cases of carpet bombing killed more civilians in one day and in one city than died in the whole current war in Gaza, getting close to even the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 

[IndyFront]

This is also an asinine argument - nuclear state is no different from non-nuclear one if the other side is not either paralyzed with fear or evaporated by instant sunshine. Unfortunately the KGB and its students are quite cold blooded, and we also haven't seen manifestations of instant sunshine.

Exactly. So I don't even know why Soli brought up nukes tbh with you.

Speaking of who agrees with who, if you side with the Palestinians, you agree with the KGB.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/brutal-home-truths-for-those-marching-in-support-of-palestinians/news-story/5b9ab986de50ae47e19dc86bebf0075f

Checkmate pal, crude association tactic - matched and beaten.

Unlike you I don't find sport in debate, I merely state my reasons behind my reasoning and leave it at that. I don't want to be on the same side as Bill Clinton. If you're fine with that, by all means, but I appreciate it that you admit you don't want to be on the same side of the KGB, because now I understand why people don't support the Palestinians so much - taint of tankie infiltration and all.

Also, to you and every other clown who thinks Israel is carpet bombing Palestine, your dumb asses would not know carpet bombing if it hit you on the head if you think that's carpet bombing.
Which is great, because your bunch objectively proves that you have no bloody idea about the subject matter you are trying to persuade people about.
The last instance of real carpet bombing was in Vietnam, and only against military targets.
Against cities - Korean War.
The few largest WW2 cases of carpet bombing killed more civilians in one day and in one city than died in the whole current war in Gaza, getting close to even the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I updated my post, meant to say "cluster bombardment". Israel has used cluster munitions in populated areas of Lebanon:

'Israel' shelled southern regions with banned cluster bombs: Hezbollah

Hezbollah's Media Relations Office issued a statement confirming that the Israeli occupation forces used rockets filled with internationally banned cluster bombs on several towns in South Lebanon.

english.almayadeen.net

Lebanon: Satellite imagery reveals intensity of Israeli bombing

Israel damaged more buildings in two weeks than in a year of fighting with Hezbollah, data shows.

www.bbc.com

Israel escalates Beirut bombing, accused of killing 73 in Gaza strike

The strikes on Hezbollah's south Beirut stronghold came after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accused the Iran-backed group of attempting to assassinate him by targeting his residence

www.voanews.com

Israel bombs historic Lebanese port city in latest round of attacks

Civilians flee large swathes of Unesco-listed Tyre as Israeli strikes target residential areas

www.middleeasteye.net

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-attack-war-lebanon-10-06-24/index.html

Israel has done this in the past as well:

Flooding South Lebanon: Israel’s Use of Cluster Munitions in Lebanon in July and August 2006: The Impact of Israels Use of Cluster Munitions in Lebanon in July and August 2006

 

[Bacle]

Another attack on Israel by Iran is underway, large amounts of drones spotted coming from Syria and Iraq, may see BM launches later to create a saturation attack.

@GoldRanger stay safe man, looks like things are going to get hairy again.

Edit: More info; looks like Iran will also probably launch about 400 BMs at some point in the next day or so, likely targeted on the Haifa area.

 

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Unlike you I don't find sport in debate, I merely state my reasons behind my reasoning and leave it at that. I don't want to be on the same side as Bill Clinton. If you're fine with that, by all means, but I appreciate it that you admit you don't want to be on the same side of the KGB, because now I understand why people don't support the Palestinians so much - taint of tankie infiltration and all.

Dunno about you, but out of shitty options i'd rather be on the same side of international politics as Bill Clinton than the fucking KGB, it's not even a tough choice.

I updated my post, meant to say "cluster bombardment". Israel has used cluster munitions in populated areas of Lebanon:

'Israel' shelled southern regions with banned cluster bombs: Hezbollah

Hezbollah's Media Relations Office issued a statement confirming that the Israeli occupation forces used rockets filled with internationally banned cluster bombs on several towns in South Lebanon.

english.almayadeen.net

And? So what? Israel didn't sign the convention banning them, and neither did many world powers including USA, Russia and China, while considering the experience of their usefulness in Ukraine, anyone who still supports it should be publicly shamed as a moron, a traitor or both.
That Arab propagandists say they are banned, is just reason number million to not believe a single word they say.
We should be making up excuses for enemies to be shamed into not using effective weapons, instead of doing it to ourselves in a process resembling psyop friendly fire.

Fact sheet: Cluster bombs - AOAV

Everything you need to know about cluster bombs

aoav.org.uk

Who has not joined the Convention of Cluster Munitions?
The following 85 states are still being urged to join the Convention:

Algeria, Argentina, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belize, Bhutan, Brazil, Brunei Darussalam, Cambodia, China, Cuba, Dominica, Egypt, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Finland, Gabon, Georgia, Greece, Guyana, India, Iran, Israel, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kiribati, DPR Korea, RO Korea, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Libya, Malaysia, Maldives, Marshall Islands, Mauritius, Micronesia, Mongolia, Morocco, Myanmar/Burma, Nepal, Niue, Oman, Pakistan, Palestine, Papua New Guinea, Poland, Qatar, Romania, Russian Federation, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saudi Arabia, Serbia, Singapore, Slovakia, Solomon Islands, South Sudan, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Syria, Tajikistan, Thailand, Timor-Leste, Tonga, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United States, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Venezuela, Vietnam, Yemen, Zimbabwe.

You might aswell call it "List of countries serious about being prepared for war".