49ersfootball

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The house was created to be reaponsive to people's needs and the senate exists to limit any stupidity coming out of the house. The fillibuster is a part of that process.
The mainstream media is so damn triggered by Sinema & Manchin including several other Blue Dog Dems that the left doesn't seem to understand half of the country does NOT want that election reform garbage.

Voter ID laws are here to stay FOREVER!
 

strunkenwhite

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The house was created to be reaponsive to people's needs and the senate exists to limit any stupidity coming out of the house. The fillibuster is a part of that process.
The filibuster is not part of the process designed by the founders. It was an accidental creation that the Senate apparently found to be useful, although I think it has done more harm than good (in the way that efforts to sidestep it warp both the legislation and the process itself).
 

Bear Ribs

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The filibuster is not part of the process designed by the founders. It was an accidental creation that the Senate apparently found to be useful, although I think it has done more harm than good (in the way that efforts to sidestep it warp both the legislation and the process itself).
I see this claim all the time and it's obvious bunk. The filibuster was first used (that we're historically aware of) by Cato the Younger in the first century BC and used many times after in the Roman senate. Given their huge fetish for all things Roman even to the styling of federal buildings (and styling the US senate after the Roman senate), I fail to believe that the Founding Fathers, such as Aaron Burr who put the rule allowing for the filibuster in place, had no idea how that would work.
 

Cherico

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The mainstream media is so damn triggered by Sinema & Manchin including several other Blue Dog Dems that the left doesn't seem to understand half of the country does NOT want that election reform garbage.

Voter ID laws are here to stay FOREVER!

Its far more then half of the country, and even most democrats do not like people coming into their community and telling people how to live their lives. Id say the real number of people who are against it is easily around 70% with the number jumping when its explained how it would really effect them to over 80%

Really Id say the die hards who are deterimined to fuck everything up for every one with their woke assholish are only really 8-9% of the population.

The filibuster is not part of the process designed by the founders. It was an accidental creation that the Senate apparently found to be useful, although I think it has done more harm than good (in the way that efforts to sidestep it warp both the legislation and the process itself).

Most of the regulations and laws created by congress are bad, with them doing omibus level of bullshit that they dont even read on the regular slowing that bullshit down is a good thing.
 

strunkenwhite

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I see this claim all the time and it's obvious bunk. The filibuster was first used (that we're historically aware of) by Cato the Younger in the first century BC and used many times after in the Roman senate. Given their huge fetish for all things Roman even to the styling of federal buildings (and styling the US senate after the Roman senate), I fail to believe that the Founding Fathers, such as Aaron Burr who put the rule allowing for the filibuster in place, had no idea how that would work.
I don't claim that a concept similar to the filibuster did not exist prior to that time. They didn't copy everything the Romans did. The business of Congress is very well documented AFAIK so there should be ample documentation of whether the people at the time expressed an opinion/intention about the rule change (and it was a rule change) leading to something we would recognize as a filibuster. I admit I haven't read it personally but I have been told their expressed intentions point pretty clearly to other reasons and expectations. I don't really recall my source, much less put it on a pedestal, so I'm open to being told I was lied to if there's a good source for the contrary position. Have you any less speculative information that would point to that reason or expectation?

And there is also the Federalist 22 argument against what filibusters allow.
 

strunkenwhite

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Most of the regulations and laws created by congress are bad, with them doing omibus level of bullshit that they dont even read on the regular slowing that bullshit down is a good thing.
I am persuaded that the filibuster makes omnibus bullshit more pervasive, not less. When you need a supermajority to pass anything, you naturally look to mash as much stuff as you can together that has a simple majority of support in the hope that a supermajority of support will materialize from the amalgamation.
 

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Weren't there articles a couple of years ago referencing her memory issues and a talk Schumer had with her about retiring?

Yes, both the New Yorker and National Review started making pointed suggestions that she was losing it back in 2020, and NR also suggested that something about her behavior was off in 2018 (though this was during the Kavanagh hearings when every Democrat was acting insane, so it wasn't as obvious).
 

49ersfootball

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Yes, both the New Yorker and National Review started making pointed suggestions that she was losing it back in 2020, and NR also suggested that something about her behavior was off in 2018 (though this was during the Kavanagh hearings when every Democrat was acting insane, so it wasn't as obvious).
Why didn't Feinstein call it quits in 2018 ?

You can bet African American politicos will be aggressively pressuring Newsom to appoint an African American to that US Senate seat if Feinstein were to resign.
 

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JD Vance narrowly won the OH GOP senate primary. Anyone’s better than that moron Josh Mandel though.

Dewine took the governor primary in a landslide. I was hoping he would lose.

But the Democrats/left had a plan to swarm the primaries and vote for dewine to keep him the GOP candidate. So that probably helped him a lot.

This also registers them as Republicans, so don't go by any voter registration numbers to make future predictions in Ohio. A lot of them are far lefties now.
 

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