A couple of Tactical Marine Squad vs Brotherhood of Steel (Fallout 4)

[Scooby Doo]

SS being the Sole Survivor right?
If the brotherhood are smart, they could nab the Big Boy from Diamond City.

Yeah Sole Survivor.

I don't think that would even be necessary, Teagan the armorer on the Prwyden sales Fatman's (Which could probably be modified with a MIRV) and very early on the Brotherhood secure Fort Strong which has so many mini nukes it can level the island.

So they're pretty good on the dakka, only issue honestly is reflexes and durability which could probably be counter if they have enough Sentinel Program T-60's in the field

They could also scrounge up Raider Power Armor, T-45's and left over T-50's to bolster their numbers while passing around gauss rifles and missile launchers to their infantry.

 

[Husky_Khan]

If we up the armor to handle .50BMG, where's the extra 16000 joules of protection coming from?

It's drawn from a tap Sino-pocket dimension of hundun which is where the Chinese keep their heavy machine guns. West Tek was doing joint research on it with the Dunwich Borers Company.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

It's drawn from a tap Sino-pocket dimension of hundun which is where the Chinese keep their heavy machine guns. West Tek was doing joint research on it with the Dunwich Borers Company.

So if the composite plates can only take somewhere around 2500 joules of energy before failing, where's the extra 16000 joules of protection coming from to handle .50 BMG?

 

[Husky_Khan]

So if the composite plates can only take somewhere around 2500 joules of energy before failing, where's the extra 16000 joules of protection coming from to handle .50 BMG?

Oh we're just going to repeat ourselves and whoever replies last wins? Is that the new tactic?

I literally just answered your question. Please stop strawmanning.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Oh we're just going to repeat ourselves and whoever replies last wins? Is that the new tactic?

I literally just answered your question. Please stop strawmanning.

Right, but how do you get from 2500 to almost ten times that number? Is there armor plates I am not aware of? Why would the armor-part of the armor only provide 1/8th the armor?

 

[Husky_Khan]

Right, but how do you get from 2500 to almost ten times that number? Is there armor plates I am not aware of? Why would the armor-part of the armor only provide 1/8th the armor?

Why are you quoting me? I never made that argument. Please cite where I did.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Why are you quoting me? I never made that argument. Please cite where I did.

Ok.

If Power Armor could be shredded by Anti-Material Rifles and heavy machine guns, Power Armor would be of somewha negligible use against Chinese tanks and infantry

 

[Husky_Khan]

Ok.

Yes and?

 

[Scooby Doo]

Way I see it, get the T-60 power armor users out of armor and put the Sentinel Program in. Then equip those people that got out of the suit with missile launchers and plasma weapons while giving the suits heavy weapons as well effectively doubling the Brotherhoods numbers.

While that's happening this should buy them to get Liberty Prime up and running to clap the rest of the Astartes.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Yes and?

Explain how plates stated to be designed with around 2500 joules in mind can withstand weapons almost an order of magnitude (or maybe even higher) greater in destructive power?

 

[Scooby Doo]

Maybe kamikaze a couple of Vertibird full of Mininukes into a squad of pinned down space Marines

Could work on the Thunderhawk too 😂

 

[Husky_Khan]

Way I see it, get the T-60 power armor users out of armor and put the Sentinel Program in. Then equip those people that got out of the suit with missile launchers and plasma weapons while giving the suits heavy weapons as well effectively doubling the Brotherhoods numbers.

While that's happening this should buy them to get Liberty Prime up and running to clap the rest of the Astartes.

Was there solid numbers on the Brotherhood Force in Fallout 4? I would imagine there would be a maximum number carried on a forty thousand ton airship, assuming they all came on that alone.

Explain how plates stated to be designed with around 2500 joules in mind can withstand weapons almost an order of magnitude (or maybe even higher) greater in destructive power?

Why should I provide an explanation for an argument I never made?

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Why should I provide an explanation for an argument I never made?

Okay, then power armor is shredded easily by .50's then jej. Thus bolters trivially punch through them because bolters are at least the same as heavy stubbers which are .50's with a fancy name.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Was there solid numbers on the Brotherhood Force in Fallout 4? I would imagine there would be a maximum number carried on a forty thousand ton airship, assuming they all came on that alone.


Why should I provide an explanation for an argument I never made?

We don't get official numbers, personally base on the size I couldn't see more than a platoons worth of power armored users. I'm sure they had more auxillary/no power armor infantry tho.

The Expedition of Brotherhood of Fallout 4 always came kinda smallish but well equipped.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Maybe kamikaze a couple of Vertibird full of Mininukes into a squad of pinned down space Marines

Could work on the Thunderhawk too 😂

I would think just launching a MiniNuke would be more reliable than crashing a Vertibird full of mininukes into something. Or JuryRigging some sort of megamininuke?

We don't get official numbers, personally base on the size I couldn't see more than a platoons worth of power armored users. I'm sure they had more auxillary/no power armor infantry tho.

The Expedition of Brotherhood of Fallout 4 always came kinda smallish but well equipped.

Yeah. Lots of Scribes and Knights. I just remember you could encounter them in a lot of places and their idea was to setup control over most of the Commonwealth anyways. Might be interesting just to see if any rough numbers could be derived from say... figuring out how many Vertibirds can be carried... or examining other places on the airship and counting chairs or something lol. Then again I'm sure you could count the beds in the living quarters and multiply by three or four for workshifts and I bet it would still be a massively small number or undercount though.

 

[Yinko]

Something I heard once was that the Scout Marines were roughly equivalent to Master Chief from Halo sans his armor. That's a pretty damning comparison, especially since a normal Spartan is the NTR Bully of any BOS Paladin out there. Ceramite amour might not have the STR boosting power that other types have, but that's less of an issue if the troops of one side have it in their bones.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Listen @Husky_Khan and @ThatZenoGuy I don't know what problem either of you have with each other but resolve it now and if I find any evidence that this 'misunderstanding' is intentional (Looks at Husky) I will have you eat a ban for a while.

Don't be jerks and don't play dumb you are both grown adults.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I would think just launching a MiniNuke would be more reliable than crashing a Vertibird full of mininukes into something. Or JuryRigging some sort of megamininuke?

Ah but you see it is such an unexpected tactic that it'd be guaranteed to succeed! Where as other wise the Brothers would be expecting heavy weapons to be launch from in front of them not above from the skys

Yeah. Lots of Scribes and Knights. I just remember you could encounter them in a lot of places and their idea was to setup control over most of the Commonwealth anyways. Might be interesting just to see if any rough numbers could be derived from say... figuring out how many Vertibirds can be carried... or examining other places on the airship and counting chairs or something lol. Then again I'm sure you could count the beds in the living quarters and multiply by three or four for workshifts and I bet it would still be a massively small number or undercount though.

I'd personally put it at least equivalent to the Mojave Chapter in strength which
Brotherhood of Steel mission holotape
+6 Dead Paladins from Holotapes

+3 Paladins from Battle of Hoover Dam

+4 Rogue Paladins from Veronica quest

+4 Paladins Scripted Patrol

+6-8ish Paladins or Knights in bunker

+Veronica and Elder (Not Paladins but I'm throwing them in to be fair since they're fighters)

27-25 BOS members prior to battle at Helios where they had double numbers which would put their numbers at 50-54 Strong not including Scribes or Civilians.

It'd be reasonable fair to say that the East Coast expedition which recruits outsiders would have a larger force and is led by someone from the Maxson lineage. But I can't see any evidence to support an argument of more than double Power Armored Knights/Paladins (100-108) and this is being very generous because it is scaling from the Mojave Chapter and not counting the actual numbers on the Prydwen ship.

 

[Agent23]

Also let's not forget Prime could be in play here. If he is then its just a quick draw of Thunderhawk vs his lasers and I'm betting on Prime one shotting everything.

I do not think that the Space Marines will go in with a Thunderhawk vs. Prime immediately.

The right approach would be to try and take him out with Krak grenades or missiles or melta bombs.

The Space Marines IMHO have more than enough experience to deal with mechanized threats with AA capabilities, to them Prime will be an underpowered Imperial Knight or a bad and mismanaged attempt to build a Titan.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I do not think that the Space Marines will go in with a Thunderhawk vs. Prime immediately.

The right approach would be to try and take him out with Krak grenades or missiles or melta bombs.

The Space Marines IMHO have more than enough experience to deal with mechanized threats with AA capabilities, to them Prime will be an underpowered Imperial Knight or a bad and mismanaged attempt to build a Titan.

Uhhhh that wouldn't work, Prime no sells missile barrages in scripted sequences as he clears the way for the Brotherhood it takes a barrage of a nuclear payload satellite to take him down same payload that can wipe out the massive Crawler fortress or kill all the Brotherhood members in the Citadel despite their power armor.

Heck the "Standard" Missile launcher of the Wastes is at-least 72mm caliber (The Enclave used much longer range and probably stronger missiles) which should put it roughly on par with the M72 Law which can penetrate up to 300mm RHA

That might be a small amount but then you have to remember he absolutely no sells missile round after missile round in addition to extended barrages of multi megajoule energy weapons meaning his armor is going to be at least with an order of a magnitude greater than 300 (3,000 mm RHA+).

Which frankly means he's no selling anything that is NOT the Thunderhawk Gunship

Mean while he's two shotting armored Verti-Birds (The actual good ones) which should scale to or above the most protective armor the Enclave have which scales two or even generations above T-60 armor that can withstand up to around half a minute of the sub-megajoule to megajoule level energy weapon barrages from +10 enemies at once followed by a energy blast that vaporizes said combatants and still come out unharmed.

Prime is shooting concentrated gigajoule weaponry here. This is what happens to the Astartes.

Even Astartes speed isn't going to be fast enough to outrun light-speed freedom lasers projected from someone with a 4 story vantage point and advanced sensors.